[QUOTE=Josiah;13540788]I think denying presents is just totally egotistical. You know, take the presents. And if you truly feel that way, then donate on your own accord the given value. But to make such a deal about, that just screams ego. The most charitable people, are the ones you don't even know about.

If your mom wants to give you a present, then accept that gift. She's giving it to you out of love and caring. To say you'll give that way, what is that? that's nonsense.

You want to give to charity, hey fantastic! But to put other people, who love you, who care about you, in a difficult position by defining such behaviors and ultimatems is totally selfish. AND! and! Totally being a jerk to those tryign to show their love and appreciation for you by giving you those gifts.

Get over yourself, get over that issue. You want to give those gifts away, fine. Do so in private, after the fact. That's what charity is. Notputting people who care about you in bad and uncomfotable postions to make yourself feel better.[/QUOTE]
You completely misunderstood what I was saying. It was in no way a "I hate my mom and I refuse to take anything from her". I meant it as in "I'd much rather see gifts go to those who can't afford [insert common gifts here], or those who really do celebrate Christmas as a holiday."

I said I don't like modern Christmas because the whole image of "love and caring" in the month coming up to the day is so saturated with sales that I don't think it's possible to tell between "love and caring" and "buy this person something or you obviously don't love them."

My mom buys me things out of nowhere throughout the year (a couple pairs of socks here, a meal there, etc.) and I'm extremely grateful for those, but I'd rather not participate in Christmas the way it is now in our culture.

There was no big deal made. To be honest, it came about while my mom was watching Oprah while we ate supper. Whatever bank it was gave people $1,000 to "spend on someone else", and I told her that 90% of those people are going to buy their friend a purse or something of the sort. She asked why I thought that and I said it's because people are too materialistic even while donating, to just "give" it away to charity. Even to charities in America, people are too materialistic and need to show people they donated. (Livestrong bracelets, breast cancer ribbons, etc.)

I don't want to get in a heated debate on my beliefs on receiving gifts that I obviously haven't needed enough that I haven't gone out and bought them myself. I said that I hope me and my mom can "resolve" the issue so it doesn't end up like you obviously think I want it to end up.

Anyways, that's it.

Sounds extrememlly egotistical to me. I haven't the time to point out why.. but here's a simple lesson for life -


If your mom wants to buy you a gift, and it makes her happy. Who are you to take that happiness away from her?

Who are you to decide what her reasons are inside her head for buying a gift for you? Can you read minds? Do you not think your mother has been around for some time? She's got more expereince then you kid. She brought you into this world, you were a baby when she was an adult.

Get it? You don't know something she doesn't. She knew all of that before you were born. You are pointingout the obvious, preaching to the choir, telling the cow it's black and white... everyone already knows that stuff. The only thing you are doing, is sadly, attempting to make yourself feel better at the recall of someones attempt to show carign for you out of gifts. So what if it's a regoinzed day and corperations take advantage of it? So what if "90% of htose people " do what they do. Are you saying your mom is one of them? Why can't you use the holiday for good, instead of looking at hte bad?

You know, I know valentines day is a corperation holiday. It's hallmarks dream month - that doesn't stop me from buying my girlfriend flowers. Just because "90% of " other people might do it out of marketing, that doesn't mean I do.

And it doesn't mean your mom does either.



So see question #1 -

If your mom wants to buy you a gift, and it makes her happy. Who are you to attempt to take that happiness away from her?

Josiah hit the spot, man, be grateful for everything, even X-mas, your mom, at least most moms, buy stuff not to support corportations, but cause she loves you man, so yeah, w/e.

It's not that I'm not thankful. I'm thankful for everything they do for me. I'm thankful they've put up with me being out of school for 4 months without a job (for the most part). I'm thankful they haven't started charging me rent. I'm thankful that my mom changed the thermostat (without my dad knowing) so the house stays at liveable temperatures until 2 am for me, instead of 9 pm when my dad goes to bed. Etc.

I guess I see happiness coming from things such as donating to charity, maybe spending Christmas morning serving food at a homeless shelter (which I just talked to her about while putting groceries away, I think we're going to tag along with one of her friends who does that every year) which would equal the happiness coming from receiving it myself, but I guess my ego's getting in my way.

If giving is better than receiving, can I not also give? My parents don't allow me to buy presents for them. My dad has never opened a Christmas present. The closest he's come to that has been going out for supper the night before or after his birthday, never on.

I've tried on many occasions to pay for a meal, to tell the cashier to add his items to my bill at a store, etc, but I've never been able to buy him something.

His reason? "I don't need it. Why would I NEED [insert generic birthday gift here] ?"

I guess I was raised in a more "egotistical" enviroment than you, therefore we see differently and there's no point continuing. Agree?

[QUOTE=Aaron;13540252]That's why cocaberry pissed me off by saying that I can't drum because I work so much. [B]People like him have it easy living at home under mummy and daddy's wing..[/B] But yeah, I don't like trains anymore lol.[/QUOTE]

Damn right. After I get my MBA I'm outta here though. Can't play drums for more than 2 hours at a time without the parents b[B]i[/B]tching at me.

Ahh. I wasn't bored at jazz band for the first time this year.


I love my tenor.


And I love my bed and pajamas.
So I'm going to go get in it right now, and I'm going to listen to X-Japan and read gooey mushy Star Trek Voyager fanfiction on my PSP until I fall asleep.

Don't forget your teddy bear

[quote=Cocaberry3;13541253]Damn right. After I get my MBA I'm outta here though. Can't play drums for more than 2 hours at a time without the parents b[B]i[/B]tching at me.[/quote]
Gee lifes hard for you isn't it. Do you even have a job? Have you ever worked a real day in your life?

Never had one.

I had a giant stuffed elephant though. My uncle bought it for me just before he died and I ended up sleeping with it until I was 13...Now it's downstairs somewhere.

Go get it

[QUOTE=Aaron;13541286]Gee lifes hard for you isn't it. Do you even have a job? Have you ever worked a real day in your life?[/QUOTE]

No, don't have a job now. I'm gonna get one quick though.

When I work I normally work in jobs that are 45-60 hours a week so don't worry, I know about work.

That would require going down stairs...



Wait. Is someone telling Coca to stop living with his parents and go get a real job? Oh my word. I thought Coca was an entirely self-sufficient entrepreneur of perfection?

Ooh that's a hard week, Coca.

I'm gonna live with my parents whether I work or not until I get my degree. No reason to move out now and create extra bills for myself.

Except for maybe the pride from self-sufficiency?

The pride from self-sufficiency isn't worth squat when you're still paying off student loans in 40 years because you had to pay rent instead of tuition in the first place...

I'm staying with my parents until I'm out of school and I have a viable job.

^^ Hell yeah.. that's right.

No reason to move out too early in life. Most kids I know that moved out are struggling but don't care because they can brag they don't live at home anymore.

sup drum forum

first off, nice hair phil. sup
[IMG]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/WindowLedge/Meyo.jpg[/IMG]

so..

anyone who feels like adding some drums to my R&M songwriting entry, give me a shout

garageband loops are fine to record to but they're annoyingly repetitive

just picked up stick control, bout time. sick guitar guy above.

Sweet, stick control is fun :rolleyes:

Yeah, SC rocks.

[quote=Cocaberry3;13541372]^^ Hell yeah.. that's right.

No reason to move out too early in life. Most kids I know that moved out are struggling but don't care because they can brag they don't live at home anymore.[/quote]
Most kids though don't realise that buying property won't be viable in 10/20 years.

Living with your parents isn't really that bad. Your house will never get extremely dirty because your mom won't allow it. Someone to pick up after you.. It's like having a maid.. in some cases. Not in mine I have to do my laundry and all that crap. But she cleans the house. so I guess it's like a fair trade. It's probably a bigger house with more room and furniture too. And of course you don't have to pay bills ;)

At least you'd never get lonely with your parents lol

-Paul

[QUOTE=Cocaberry3;13541253]Damn right. After I get my MBA I'm outta here though. Can't play drums for more than 2 hours at a time without the parents b[B]i[/B]tching at me.[/QUOTE]

Consider yourself lucky. I get in 15 minutes and my dad tells me I sound like **** and to stop.

:lol: I play once a week nowadays that my dad's off work (well atleast doesn't go TO work) all winter (golf course in Canada = all winter off), and my mom's working 3-4 days a week. I can never find a time when the both of them are gone for more than half an hour at a time.

They always tell me they don't mind, but I've heard my friend play my drums while I was upstairs, there's NO sound reduction. I just refrain from sitting at my kit out of courtesy and hopes that they don't kick me out of the house. :lol:



I still haven't got the call. It's 9:10. Maybe she'll call tomorrow? :(

[QUOTE=MatthewMeredith;13541866]Consider yourself lucky. I get in 15 minutes and my dad tells me I sound like **** and to stop.[/QUOTE]


"Respect my Authoritah!"

Is what comes to mind.

You probably don't suck.. he just might not like loud noises.
Try muting your drums a bit .. like with towels or something for now and see if that helps.

-Paul

[QUOTE=Aaron;13541748]Most kids though don't realise that buying property won't be viable in 10/20 years.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but I am kind of hoping that will cause a movement to tear down the burgeious of the system

[QUOTE=Myslik;13541909]"Respect my Authoritah!"

Is what comes to mind.

You probably don't suck.. he just might not like loud noises.
Try muting your drums a bit .. like with towels or something for now and see if that helps.

-Paul[/QUOTE]

I have a video up here somewhere... I'll repost it anyways.

I don't suck (at all) and I really don't hit hard (again, at all) so I don't know what his problem is.

I also have like, 4 bedsheets in my bass drum (unfortunately) just to make it quieter.

[url]http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k46/MatthewMeredith/?action=view&current=102-0208_MVI.flv&refPage=20&imgAnch=imgAnch35[/url]

It's on YouTube too if you want to rate it.

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;13541905]:lol: I play once a week nowadays that my dad's off work (well atleast doesn't go TO work) all winter (golf course in Canada = all winter off), and my mom's working 3-4 days a week. I can never find a time when the both of them are gone for more than half an hour at a time.

They always tell me they don't mind, but I've heard my friend play my drums while I was upstairs, there's NO sound reduction. I just refrain from sitting at my kit out of courtesy and hopes that they don't kick me out of the house. :lol:



I still haven't got the call. It's 9:10. Maybe she'll call tomorrow? :([/QUOTE]

Woo being Canadian/working at a golf course!

Which one are you at?

[quote=White Riot!;13541996]Yeah but I am kind of hoping that will cause a movement to tear down the burgeious of the system[/quote]
Third-party preferred shift FTW.