Page 1 of "Punk" seriously blows.

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]What now?[/QUOTE]
Edit: I think one of them won.

Anyone heard Willie Nelson's Reggae album?


Wow. What the hell.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]What do you think those hardships are?
Not getting accepted into college?
No.

It's about being poor and having respect for your roots.
As in West Coast, East Coast.

=)
I understand that your white.[/QUOTE]

I am white...but i do also live in "the ghetto" on rental property....i know what it is like to be poor and from the ghetto

[QUOTE=SlappedByTheClash]Anyone heard Willie Nelson's Reggae album?


Wow. What the hell.[/QUOTE]

reggae? my momma listens to him. maybe she'll grow dreads after listening to his reggae stuff

I lived out of a car for a month when I was young.


That sucked.

[QUOTE=RockThe40oz!]I am white...but i do also live in "the ghetto" on rental property....i know what it is like to be poor and from the ghetto[/QUOTE]
In the American society there is a differnce in being a poor white man and a poor black man.

People write and sing about what they love, if they love where they came from, if it includes drugs, sex, gang violence. Let them do it.
Self expression comes from the inside and your surroundings.


I mean look at GG Allin. He wasn't born crazy, his life turned him crazy.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]I mean look at GG Allin. He wasn't born crazy, his life turned him crazy[/QUOTE]

I think that's debatable. GG was one insane motherf'ucker.

That is kind of true, but I do think his child life really influnced his mind and way of life highly.
I mean Jesus the guy was beyond crazy.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]In the American society there is a differnce in being a poor white man and a poor black man.

People write and sing about what they love, if they love where they came from, if it includes drugs, sex, gang violence. Let them do it.
Self expression comes from the inside and your surroundings.


I mean look at GG Allin. He wasn't born crazy, his life turned him crazy.[/QUOTE]

you make a good point....

but there is alot of things that could be speculated...

things are more complicated than drugs and violence....

[QUOTE=RockThe40oz!]you make a good point....

but there is alot of things that could be speculated...

[B]things are more complicated than drugs and violence[/B]....[/QUOTE]
Like what?
When I was around 3 and 4 my mother dealed weed right infront me.
To this day when I hear about drugs violence and over doeses.
It hurts me in a personal way.
I could make a quality hip hop song about that.
And it would be a quality topic to sing about.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]That is kind of true, but I do think his child life really influnced his mind and way of life highly.
I mean Jesus the guy was beyond crazy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.


That's safe to say.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]Page 1 of "Punk" seriously blows.[/QUOTE]

Instead of being a bitch about, do something to change it.

[QUOTE=SlappedByTheClash]Yeah.


That's safe to say.[/QUOTE]

=).

Dag Nasty, The Slackers, Flux Of Pink Indians.


We're trying.

[QUOTE=RockThe40oz!]i understand that there are hardships in the "projects"

but, when they sing about the drugs, sex, gangs, and rape.....

thats another story

...especially when they say "this is my hood!"[/QUOTE]
because its their life, why did johnny cash write 5 feet high and rising? it was part of his life.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]Like what?
When I was around 3 and 4 my mother dealed weed right infront me.
To this day when I hear about drugs violence and over doeses.
It hurts me in a personal way.
I could make a quality hip hop song about that.
[B]And it would be a quality topic to sing about.[/[/B]QUOTE]

you cant write something good about that. it all comes out to be complaining or whining.

people who make music in 3rd world countries have everything in the world to bi[I]t[/I]ch about, but they dont...

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve][QUOTE=Ihatehate]Like what?
When I was around 3 and 4 my mother dealed weed right infront me.
To this day when I hear about drugs violence and over doeses.
It hurts me in a personal way.
I could make a quality hip hop song about that.
[B]And it would be a quality topic to sing about.[/[/B]QUOTE]

you cant write something good about that. it all comes out to be complaining or whining.

people who make music in 3rd world countries have everything in the world to bi[I]t[/I]ch about, but they dont...[/QUOTE]


You gotta be ****ting me.
What do you think musical lyrics come from?
Singing about what you eat for breakfest?

No!
It comes from personal things.


Plus, you don't how much of an impact that song can have on someone.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]Like what?
When I was around 3 and 4 my mother dealed weed right infront me.
To this day when I hear about drugs violence and over doeses.
It hurts me in a personal way.
I could make a quality hip hop song about that.
And it would be a quality topic to sing about.[/QUOTE]

yeah, but the point was when i started to talk about rap was that i think its more respectable to sing about that kinda shi't "in a personal way" besides just saying this is my hood, a do drugs and gang bang and drivebys...or MIKE JONES! MIKE JONES! MIKE JONES!

....they can rap about whatever they want to......

but when i hear that kind of **** i just want to go and ask the rappers why they want to sound so....."ghetto"......i just dont understand why....

It's funny when the MTV rappers do it. I'm sure they're on the streets everyday, with their millions of dollars and bmws.

[QUOTE=RockThe40oz!]yeah, but the point was when i started to talk about rap was that i think its more respectable to sing about that kinda shi't "in a personal way" besides just saying this is my hood, a do drugs and gang bang and drivebys...or MIKE JONES! MIKE JONES! MIKE JONES!

....they can rap about whatever they want to......

but when i hear that kind of **** i just want to go and ask the rappers why they want to sound so....."ghetto"......i just dont understand why....[/QUOTE]


I see my personal argument isn't getting through to you.
Let's relate it to music.

Timmy wants to be in a Jazz band.
He learns Jazz bass guitar and practices.
In his highschool he sits with his Jazz friends, he looks like someone that would play Jazz.
He's in Jazz band at school. (I actually am :cool: )
He wears shirts of Jazz bands.

Why does Timmy do this? Because of he loves Jazz.

Why do people sing about Rap, why does Mike Jones write a song like that? Because the hip hop culture was orginally like that.
It came from blockpartys and Rapping about anything.

[QUOTE=Sid]It's funny when the MTV rappers do it. I'm sure they're on the streets everyday, with their millions of dollars and bmws.[/QUOTE]

WORD

[QUOTE=Sid]It's funny when the MTV rappers do it. I'm sure they're on the streets everyday, with their millions of dollars and bmws.[/QUOTE]
That stuff is shi[U]t[/U].

Bed time.

[QUOTE=Sid]It's funny when the MTV rappers do it. I'm sure they're on the streets everyday, with their millions of dollars and bmws.[/QUOTE]

Anything can go down when the Cristal's flowing.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]Can you really discuss African American hip hop when your not African American correctly?[/QUOTE]there's no "correct" way to discuss culture like that. hip-hop is, of course, not exclusively african american. music is a component of culture, a form of expression shaped and influenced by cultural forces - those from the culture in question and outside ones as well. you could just as easily exclude blacks from punk music, whites from ska, asians from western music as a whole, etc. but that's absurd. someone's cultural identity cannot be discerned by skin color, even if the culture in question is roughly defined by skin color in some conventional sense.

and with that, i think i'm going to bid the community thread adieu. i'm too busy now with school to keep up with 5 pages a day of crazy posts by you people. but if you start badmouthing me in here, don't think i won't find out :upset:

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]That stuff is shi[U]t[/U].[/QUOTE]

Good work captain obvious, brilliant work. Really.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]there's no "correct" way to discuss culture like that. hip-hop is, of course, not exclusively african american. music is a component of culture, a form of expression shaped and influenced by cultural forces - those from the culture in question and outside ones as well. you could just as easily exclude blacks from punk music, whites from ska, asians from western music as a whole, etc. but that's absurd. someone's cultural identity cannot be discerned by skin color, even if the culture in question is roughly defined by skin color in some conventional sense.[/QUOTE]

da[U]m[/U]n you are smart cheeser :thumb:

come hug me

okay! *hug*

It's 1:05, and I really want some Gatorade.


Anyway, yeah. Rap's cool.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]there's no "correct" way to discuss culture like that. hip-hop is, of course, not exclusively african american. music is a component of culture, a form of expression shaped and influenced by cultural forces - those from the culture in question and outside ones as well. you could just as easily exclude blacks from punk music, whites from ska, asians from western music as a whole, etc. but that's absurd. someone's cultural identity cannot be discerned by skin color, even if the culture in question is roughly defined by skin color in some conventional sense.[quote]

yes, EXACTLY

and what i was saying is that i think that it is more of a respectable thing to write music and lyrics that explore a kind of new frontier for the genre...

such as kanye west...

not that its bad to stick to your roots or w/e...