[QUOTE=GurS]ah, but 'tender, the "tru" fans will claim that the book is a 'mangling' of the original radio play.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the books had far more in common with the radio play (and the TV series more in common with the books) than the film has with any of them.

[QUOTE=zepfan]
In regards to the HHG movie: That's kinda how it was with the LOTR movies too. Good movies, but not the books. My friends hated the LOTR movies because they weren't true to the books but I didn't mind so much so hopefully it's the same with HHG.[/QUOTE]

I could never read the LOTR books when I tried to (the writing style bored me too much, basically), so I didn't really mind how far off they were. I think it's a different situation though; the LOTR films followed the story of the books, they just left out bits - because they were far too big to ever be translated to less than about half a dozen films of three hours each - and changed some smaller bits (i.e. the hobbits get their swords just given to them by Aragorn, rather than the whole extra bit that results in them getting swords), for the same reason. The Guide movie however doesn't just miss bits out for the sake of convenience, it changes the storyline of the books fundamentally.

[QUOTE=Bartender]
I could never read the LOTR books when I tried to (the writing style bored me too much, basically), so I didn't really mind how far off they were. I think it's a different situation though; the LOTR films followed the story of the books, they just left out bits - because they were far too big to ever be translated to less than about half a dozen films of three hours each - and changed some smaller bits (i.e. the hobbits get their swords just given to them by Aragorn, rather than the whole extra bit that results in them getting swords), for the same reason. The Guide movie however doesn't just miss bits out for the sake of convenience, it changes the storyline of the books fundamentally.[/QUOTE]
Well...the first book was rather boring, but the second and third were great reads. It took awhile to get interesting for sure. Some of the stuff like elves fighting at Helm's Deep was also completely added...and the epicness of that battle, but yeah...if it's more fundamentally changed than that it could be bad.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Well...the first book was rather boring, but the second and third were great reads. It took awhile to get interesting for sure. Some of the stuff like elves fighting at Helm's Deep was also completely added...and the epicness of that battle, but yeah...if it's more fundamentally changed than that it could be bad.[/QUOTE]

Saying the 1st book is boring is a common misconception. The first 100 something pages are rough, but Tolkien is just trying ot make a transition from The Hobbit to LOTR. He originally didn't plan on making a sequel/follow-up to the Hobbit, so transitioning is tough to do. He actually changed parts of the Hobbit to make it transition better into LOTR so there are 2 versions of the hobbit lout there.

[QUOTE=TheDMV]Saying the 1st book is boring is a common misconception. The first 100 something pages are rough, but Tolkien is just trying ot make a transition from The Hobbit to LOTR. He originally didn't plan on making a sequel/follow-up to the Hobbit, so transitioning is tough to do. He actually changed parts of the Hobbit to make it transition better into LOTR so there is 2 versions of the hobbit lout there.[/QUOTE]
No no...it's an opinion. I read the books, I didn't misconceive my opinion. I thought it was boring.

Oh no. LOTR discussion! It's like I'm in 7th grade Hell!

I'm sorry but I have something to get off my chest:

Every so often I hear people say things like, "Dude, I'm moving to Europe after I graduate, this country's in such bad shape" and every time I here someone say it I want to punch them.

It's representive of one of this country's major problems: People would rather run away from their problems and/or seek an easy solution than confront them head-on. People bitch and moan about how lousy things are but they never work to improve them, they just find a way to ignore them.

America is far from perfect--hell, right now it's very flawed--but it's never going to get better if people don't work to make it better.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]No no...it's an opinion. I read the books, I didn't misconceive my opinion. I thought it was boring.[/QUOTE]

But it [I]is[/I] a common misconception. You also didn't state that it was your opinion. My bad though.

[QUOTE=TheDMV]But it [I]is[/I] a common misconception. [/QUOTE]

You can't say that thinking something being boring is a misconception. It's just opinion. Something being boring or not has to be someone's opinion.

Illmatic - good work on making that post without implying that Europe sucks :)

[QUOTE=TheDMV]But it [I]is[/I] a common misconception. You also didn't state that it was your opinion. My bad though.[/QUOTE]
If he says it, it's probably his opinion....whatever.

[QUOTE=Bartender]
Illmatic - good work on making that post without implying that Europe sucks :)[/QUOTE]

My beef isn't with Europe, I like Europe. And I have no problems with an American making a concious decision about moving to Europe. It's when people flee there (or Canada, for that matter) in a last-ditch attempt to flee working to improve America that I get irritated.

No the old thread died? I haven't been here for ages. :upset:

Ray: I'm probably moving because I can't: improve our economy single handedly, change the fascism that has been on the rise here, or respect most of my fellow countrymen. I also have a better outlook for my profession in Britain.

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]No the old thread died? I haven't been here for ages. :upset:[/QUOTE]
The old thread was closed. I came in at the right time, after ignoring this thread for a while. Welcome back man. :D

[QUOTE=EddieVanHalen769]The old thread was closed. I came in at the right time, after ignoring this thread for a while. Welcome back man. :D[/QUOTE]
You've got yourself a few more posts whilst I was gone. :)

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]You've got yourself a few more posts whilst I was gone. :)[/QUOTE]
Yes, I've improved my spam whore abilities.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Ray: I'm probably moving because I can't: improve our economy single handedly, change the fascism that has been on the rise here, or respect most of my fellow countrymen. I also have a better outlook for my profession in Britain.[/QUOTE]

I think as the kids of Baby Boomers go into politics, there will be less facism (read: fundamentalist Christianity running amok in Washington), and the United States is hardly the only place where you'll find insufferable a[size=2]ssholes[/size].

I think Baby Boomer generation is already in politics, maybe not on an extreme influencial level yet, but I'm not sure everythings going to change if/when they attain higher positions in the political system.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I think as the kids of Baby Boomers go into politics, there will be less facism (read: fundamentalist Christianity running amok in Washington), and the United States is hardly the only place where you'll find insufferable a[size=2]ssholes[/size].[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm[/url]
Brought up by the teacher of my honors class. The Fascism is more than just religion in government. I think that the control could go either way, but I'd rather not be here if it shifts unfavorably. I also know that people are a[size=2]ssholes[/size] everywhere.

Baby Boomers - kids born between 1946 and 1963...the kids of the oldest ones are probably 40 years old, and I don't see many politicians that young.

Secondly, there are also the second half of the Baby Boom (1955-1963), which I think is what I have in mind anyway.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan]http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Brought up by the teacher of my honors class. The Fascism is more than just religion in government. I think that the control could go either way, but I'd rather not be here if it shifts unfavorably. I also know that people are assholes everywhere.[/QUOTE]

That's all stuff from the Bush administration...I don't think anything that bad is going to follow once Bush and the radical conservatives in the Senate and House are out of power, which I'm hoping is coming soon.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Baby Boomers - kids born between 1946 and 1963...the kids of the oldest ones are probably 40 years old, and I don't see many politicians.

Secondly, there are also the second half of the Baby Boom (1955-1963), which I think is what I have in mind anyway.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I misread your initial post, I somehow skipped over the beggining where you said "the kids of the baby boomers", and I just read it as "the baby boomers".

In that case you would be correct that they aren't very involved in politics yet, but I still have my doubts about whether much is going to change.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]
That's all stuff from the Bush administration...I don't think anything that bad is going to follow once Bush and the radical conservatives in the Senate and House are out of power, which I'm hoping is coming soon.[/QUOTE]
Your hope isn't very well founded. The last election wasn't that close compared to the one in 2000. I have little doubt our next election will bring in another conservative.

You can chalk that up to the Democratic Party nominating John Kerry, the only man who is less inspiring than Al Gore.

Who else was there?

Dean was better than people gave him credit for, but he was undermined by the media portraying him as some sort of lunatic.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]You can chalk that up to the Democratic Party nominating John Kerry, the only man who is less inspiring than Al Gore.[/QUOTE]
You can chalk that nomination up to a lackluster party that is losing strength. The liberals won't vote for democrats because they suck...so soon there will be one dominant party if liberals don't get a reason to support democrats.

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]Who else was there?[/QUOTE]

Schwarzenegger!

No, I don't care how illogical/nonsensical the idea contained in this post is.

You do make a point.

I think that while things are down right now, they're only going to get worse if (and sadly, when) future generations abandon hope and run away.

EDIT: To zepfan

[QUOTE=Bartender]Schwarzenegger!

No, I don't care how illogical/nonsensical the idea contained in this post is.[/QUOTE]
He's my Governer already. :lol:

Are we forgeting Al Sharpton?

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I'm sorry but I have something to get off my chest:

Every so often I hear people say things like, "Dude, I'm moving to Europe after I graduate, this country's in such bad shape" and every time I here someone say it I want to punch them.

It's representive of one of this country's major problems: People would rather run away from their problems and/or seek an easy solution than confront them head-on. People bitch and moan about how lousy things are but they never work to improve them, they just find a way to ignore them.

America is far from perfect--hell, right now it's very flawed--but it's never going to get better if people don't work to make it better.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but can you blaim them? I have personal dislike of America just because of the amount of waste that goes on. The whole society seems to be built around waste.

Im not green party supporter, but it just bugs me. And Europe isnt that much better, our election is an absolute shambles.