I'd bet money that SPLATTER PUNX and punk for life are the same person.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Oh and, I touched on both newer and older hardcore bands FYI. Don't be such a little douche. It's the internet, I thought a 36 year old man would be able to get that...but I guess not.[/QUOTE]

...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.

[QUOTE=noneed66]Was it an open call for anyone to go?[/QUOTE]Yep, it was free.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]I'd bet money that SPLATTER PUNX and punk for life are the same person.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about. Never met the guy. I was around then and so was he. I know what he is talking about.

[QUOTE=punkforlife]...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, Gorilla Biscuits, 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.[/QUOTE]Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.

[QUOTE=punkforlife]...UM heres the bands you put:
Blood For Blood, Chain Of Strength, American Nightmare, Death Threat, Judge, [B]Gorilla Biscuits[/B], 7 Seconds, Champion, Count Me Out, Carry On, Terror


Now out of that list, I see only one (7 seconds) first wave 80s hardcore band. Now you tell me who else out of that list was playing prior to 1984 and was playing hardcore.[/QUOTE]
Gorilla Biscuits was also mentioned

[QUOTE=shane italian]Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.[/QUOTE]

If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.

Im pretty sure he knows more about the history of hardcore than you...

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.[/QUOTE]I didn't say Chain of Strength helped start the scene. But GB and Judge both revolutionized hardcore and helped build the actual scene we have today. Black Flag and 7 Seconds just started playing a new form of punk.

And GB and Judge are around 88...4 years isn't a huge span of time man.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]If you consider Chain of Strength of Gorilla Biscuits a first wave hardcore band (meaning one of the pioneers of hardcore from the early pre 84 era) you are insane. Check your history. I remember when Gorilla Biscuits started playing around with Youth Of Today, No For An Answer, etc. they were not a band until 1987 or so. You really need to learn your history dude.[/QUOTE]

why are you guys arguing about this crap? that shane posted like years ago? at the beginning of the thread!!!! yay, you guys were there when it started, you know everything about the history of hardcore and everything about the bands and we are all stupid little kids. hooray for you

[QUOTE=noneed66]Im pretty sure he knows more about the history of hardcore than you...[/QUOTE]

I dont think so dude. If you knew what you were talking about - pioneers of hardcore would be bands like Bad Brains who were playing hardcore music in 1979 - 1980 or a band like Middle Class who released probably the first true hadcore record ever made. I do not think you can consider 1987 or 1988 the beginnings of hardcore music.

Hardcore music was reborn with the likes of GB. As Shane has been telling you.

[QUOTE=noneed66]Hardcore music was reborn with the likes of GB. As Shane has been telling you.[/QUOTE]

The original argument by PunkForLife was that the guy did NOT post any classic (meaning pre 84) hardcore bands in his description - other than 7 seconds. Then the guy was trying to say that Gorilla Biscuits and Judge were pioneers of hardcore which is NOT the case. Did they help REVIVE the movement in the late 80s - YES. And I am aware of this. The two statements have nothing to do with each other.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]The original argument by PunkForLife was that the guy did NOT post any classic (meaning pre 84) hardcore bands in his description - other than 7 seconds. Then the guy was trying to say that Gorilla Biscuits and Judge were pioneers of hardcore which is NOT the case. Did they help REVIVE the movement in the late 80s - YES. And I am aware of this. The two statements have nothing to do with each other.[/QUOTE]There wasn't an actual hardcore movement before 87-88. Bad Brains and 7 Seconds were just punk bands to the kids. And I never said GB were pioneers of hardcore...but they did start/open the scene up.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Judge and Gorilla biscuits helped build the hardcore scene...

Chain of Strength helped bring back the old school sound.
B4B were there when Boston was back on the map.[/QUOTE]

No where in there did he say Judge and GB pioneered hardcore.

[QUOTE=shane italian]There wasn't an actual hardcore movement before 87-88. Bad Brains and 7 Seconds were just punk bands to the kids. And I never said GB were pioneers of hardcore...but they did start/open the scene up.[/QUOTE]

WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????[/QUOTE]

He didn't say there were no hardcore bands in the early 80's, he said that there wasn't the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80's as there was in the late 80's

Early 80's hardcore was so much different than late 80's.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????[/QUOTE]Take some English Comprehension class...you need it.

Kids in the early 80s didn't exactly go around saying "Hey, I'm going to a rad hardcore show tonight" when they talked about Minor Threat. Just as people didn't refer to Moss Icon as an emo band when they were starting up.

Early 80's was more punkish.

[QUOTE=fat_****103]He didn't say there were no hardcore bands in the early 80's, he said that there wasn't the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80's as there was in the late 80's[/QUOTE]


The hardcore movement was huge in the early 80s dude, and far more real. Ask anyone who was a part of it, and read the book "American Hardcore", and look at old issues of Maximum Rock N Roll, and you tell me that there was not the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80s. Were kids dressing like jocks then and doing karate on the dance floor - no. The shows were a hell of a lot more chaotic tho, and there was a massive - completely massive hardcore scene. You really sound like an ignorant little kid to say there was no no important hardcore movement in the 80s. Id like to see what bands like Gorilla Biscuits and Judge would say if you told them there was no real hardcore scene before them.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Take some English Comprehension class...you need it.

Kids in the early 80s didn't exactly go around saying "Hey, I'm going to a rad hardcore show tonight" when they talked about Minor Threat. Just as people didn't refer to Moss Icon as an emo band when they were starting up.[/QUOTE]

I was there - you were not. YES people referred to it as a hardcore scene. Why do you think compilations such as "HARDCORE 84" and DOA's "HARDCORE 81" lps were reffering to the term as "HARDCORE".

They would say "Thanks bro!" and give me a free t-shirt.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]WHAT?????Are you smoking crack? There was no hardcore movement in the early 80s????Oh my god... You dont think SSD, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids, Poison Idea, Wasted Youth were hardcore bands???? Are you an imbecile? What about Negative Approach - were they not a hardcore band?????[/QUOTE]
Yes, but to the people who listened to them and went to their shows, they were just punk bands. Bands like Judge and Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today started an actualy hardcore scene, which was not the same as the crowd that would be at shows of bands that you mentioned.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]The hardcore movement was huge in the early 80s dude, and far more real. Ask anyone who was a part of it, and read the book "American Hardcore", and look at old issues of Maximum Rock N Roll, and you tell me that there was not the kind of hardcore movement in the early 80s. Were kids dressing like jocks then and doing karate on the dance floor - no. The shows were a hell of a lot more chaotic tho, and there was a massive - completely massive hardcore scene. You really sound like an ignorant little kid to say there was no no important hardcore movement in the 80s. Id like to see what bands like Gorilla Biscuits and Judge would say if you told them there was no real hardcore scene before them.[/QUOTE]

Again, learn how to understand what you read. I NEVER said there was NO hardcore scene in the early 80's. I said that the late 80's scene was DIFFERENT from the scene in the early 80's.

[QUOTE=A-Life-Less-Plagued]Yes, but to the people who listened to them and went to their shows, they were just punk bands. Bands like Judge and Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today started an actualy hardcore scene, which was not the same as the crowd that would be at shows of bands that you mentioned.[/QUOTE]

I was there dude. You have no idea what you are talking about even to the slightest degree. If you were referring to the jockish , karate kicking, champion sweatshirt wearing types who started coming around in the late 80s then you are correct. Those kids wouldnt hold a candle up to the nutcases that were at shows in the early 80s.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]I was there dude. You have no idea what you are talking about even to the slightest degree. If you were referring to the jockish , karate kicking, champion sweatshirt wearing types who started coming around in the late 80s then you are correct. Those kids wouldnt hold a candle up to the nutcases that were at shows in the early 80s.[/QUOTE]Yeah bro, cause we know how much of pansies FSU are...you know, the guys who started wearing normal clothes to shows and dancing.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Yeah bro, cause we know how much of pansies FSU are...you know, the guys who started wearing normal clothes to shows and dancing.[/QUOTE]

The FSU guys were scary guys. Almost like a gang. There were lots of these "gangs" and a lot more of them prior to them in Boston and New York in particular BEFORE them. Watch some old videos of Negative Approach or Cro Mags shows from prior to 84 to see what Im talking about. Or in California you had the Suicidal "gangs" who followed around Suicidal Tendencies who were some of the scariest dudes you could possibly meet.

FSU show tomorrow and odds are I can't go.

[QUOTE=SPLATTER PUNX]The FSU guys were scary guys. Almost like a gang. There were lots of these "gangs" and a lot more of them prior to them in Boston and New York in particular BEFORE them. Watch some old videos of Negative Approach or Cro Mags shows from prior to 84 to see what Im talking about.[/QUOTE]Whatevs bro. You're cool in my book. We disagree, and you're most likely right. But I'm sticking to my story.