[QUOTE=witchxrapist;17701084]How is a fetus not a human? Just curious.[/QUOTE]

From my own ethical view on the matter, a fetus is not human until it is born. It has no rational ability to perceive. It is not conscious. It is not human. That's just my opinion

[quote=iamrockzorz;17701111]From my own ethical view on the matter, a fetus is not human until it is born. It has no rational ability to perceive. It is not conscious. It is not human. That's just my opinion[/quote]
Well, a 9 month old child is conscious and perceives things.

Uhm? That point doesn't say anything about my point.

Well, there is a difference between a fetus and a grown baby inside of a mother close to being born. You said you didn't think it was a human until it came out of her.

itt people who think USSR represents Communism and not Bolshevik dictatorships.

The Bolsheviks had their own little philosophies going on, but they did implement what would be considered Communistic policies.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;17701079]Valuing human life is simple minded.[/QUOTE]
the situation is far more complex than just "oh too lazy to raise a kid"

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17701153]The Bolsheviks had their own little philosophies going on, but they did implement what would be considered Communistic policies.[/QUOTE]

not really. they used the term Communism to justify their means. that's the only real connection.


anyway omg how many posts has come here. the post in which Ben is declaring how much he hates me was especially awesome. this is the most entertaining this thread has ever been.

you didn't used to lurk much then

[QUOTE=flesh;17701161]the situation is far more complex than just "oh too lazy to raise a kid"[/QUOTE]

Please, read the one part of my multiple posts that isn't too serious, and then use it to prove that I'm closed-minded.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17701111]From my own ethical view on the matter, a fetus is not human until it is born. It has no rational ability to perceive. It is not conscious. It is not human. That's just my opinion[/QUOTE]

A developed fetus can't feel?

A developed fetus is human in every way, shape, or form other than the fact it isn't concious [I]yet[/I].

I'm about to go to dinner so I'll respond to all of this stuff in a little while, but for now I'll say that Communism is supposed to be international. It doesn't have to work on a national scale, it's really just supposed to be a set of interlocking small communities.

Also, Ronald, back to our old debate we had once about overpopulation: if the world does collapse within our lifetimes, and I too get the feeling it will (no ideas I have about redistribution will be accepted in time), I'm pretty sure we'll see Marx's theories about class being the ultimate divider be proven. All of the farmers will grab some guns and defend theirnow super valuable food supplies and everyone without property will go apepoop to get it.

Interesting how the proletariat revolt won't come about due to frustration with capitalism, but with a complete collapse of society based around property because "production for production's sake" ran civilization into the ground.

More later. I enjoy political discussion in here more than in PNWI.

I like political discussion in here more than PNWI because there's not a crowd demanding everyone see that they're right, which seems to be the deal with PNWI.

zackly

dinner time bros

om nom nom nom

i just ate mad fried veggies with soy sauce

stir fry if you will

[quote=NOTindietrash;17701185]not really. they used the term Communism to justify their means. that's the only real connection.


anyway omg how many posts has come here. the post in which Ben is declaring how much he hates me was especially awesome. this is the most entertaining this thread has ever been.[/quote]
There are different kinds and brands of Communism/socialism, Bolshivikism is one of them. They share common ideals that are relatable when it comes to the economy, the position of the workers and anti-capitalistic ideas.


[quote=cobert;17701322]I'm about to go to dinner so I'll respond to all of this stuff in a little while, but for now I'll say that Communism is supposed to be international. It doesn't have to work on a national scale, it's really just supposed to be a set of interlocking small communities.

Also, Ronald, back to our old debate we had once about overpopulation: if the world does collapse within our lifetimes, and I too get the feeling it will (no ideas I have about redistribution will be accepted in time), I'm pretty sure we'll see Marx's theories about class being the ultimate divider be proven. All of the farmers will grab some guns and defend theirnow super valuable food supplies and everyone without property will go apepoop to get it.

Interesting how the proletariat revolt won't come about due to frustration with capitalism, but with a complete collapse of society based around property because "production for production's sake" ran civilization into the ground.

More later. I enjoy political discussion in here more than in PNWI.[/quote]
I don't deny that Marx may have been right on some class issues. Classes exist, and sometimes they oppress others. Thing is, I think classes need to exist. Also, a world collapse will happen gradually. You can actually see it slowly happening already. It won't be sudden. Unless an asteroid hits us or something.

Gonna try to change the subject. Anyone like Blut aus Nord?

Hell yes.

First black metal band I got really into.

Mappy, I love [I]Ultima Thulee[/I]. Do they have anything else that sounds sorta like it?

Memoria Vetusta I & II.

And check out In The Mist and Yggdrisil by Vlad, it's their main song writer's demo material before he found a full band.

Awesome, thanks brah.

lol @ people who use arguments like "it could've happened but external forces stopped it." That means its a weak movement. Why support something that cannot survive, that's stupid.

Oh and some more fuel to the fire; atheism is religious in nature.

Stop. The discussion is over.

43% Burnt

That's not even half way. :rolleyes:

Can't stand DEP tbh.

Billy take authoritah.

I believe in a classless society, and socialism to me is the one system that will achieve that goal. I am sick of re-explaining my political views every few months on here, so I'm just going to let it go that I am leftist and I don't care to explain why anymore. I know what I feel is correct, and I know a lot of people disagree with that, no big deal.

And please never have the abortion debate in here again.

I don't want to keep going on about this, so I won't.




















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[QUOTE=whiteminority;17701709]I believe in a classless society...[/QUOTE]
that will never work

okay im done