Cheers, anyone know if their crashes are any good?

Aparently each cymbal sounds different!


-Ant-

k.
So I decided to get a new ride. So we are clear, there is 100% no way for me to try one out first so im reling on here.

I play all rock and want a good ping sound. Not to buch wash or sustain either. i am looking at an avidis meadem(?) ride for a good buy, and wondering if it fits my description?

thanks!

so this ride your describing doesnt make any sound?^

ping ride, or earth ride

[QUOTE='[your name here];14282222']tell him $50 and settle for no more than $70. shoot for about $65 or less and you've got yourself a pretty good deal.[/QUOTE]



he said that he would give it to me for 60 at the lowest. Thanks bro!

that's not bad at all. good buy

[QUOTE=Zildjian_man;14286514]k.
So I decided to get a new ride. So we are clear, there is 100% no way for me to try one out first so im reling on here.

I play all rock and want a good ping sound. Not to buch wash or sustain either. i am looking at an avidis meadem(?) ride for a good buy, and wondering if it fits my description?

thanks![/QUOTE]

Medium is a good ride, but it'll have wash to it. Go for the Ping ride. Its a wonderful ride. Still has great tone and 'sustain' but has that nice pingy sound to it that you'll like. Go with anything heavier and you'll get a nasty clang sound that just doesn't sound great.

I'm looking for a ride that has next to no overtones-- as clean of a ping as possible. A very strong, high pitched bell. Any suggestions?

Edit- Maybe I should rephrase that--- I want overtones... I just want something that doesn't have a lot of conflicting overtones. The opposite of a complex cymbal, if you will. The bell is extremely important to me, I would like a very strong, cutting bell.

strong cutting bell with a nice ping i would suggest an 21' AA rock ride.

20" Zildjian Avedis Rock Ride.

So I was looking at prices at a local shop and the wuhan s series 16" crash is £42, and I saw that a B8 16" crash is £75...

So is the B8 overpriced, or is this wehan s series 16" crash not actually that good?

Cheers

Depends if you like it


-Ant-

i would take the s series over ther b8.

Wuhan cymbals are cymbals that need to be heard first. They are different because they are trashy. Im not a fan of the crashes/splashes but I am in love with their chinas.

Fast thin loud china. [U]>[/U]16.

I need a ride that has a little bit of wash. As well as crashability.... If that's a word. Also I'd like it to sound nice with my K Dark Crash.... If that means anything. Cheers.

[QUOTE=George]Fast thin loud china. [U]>[/U]16.[/QUOTE]

Sabian AA fast chinese.
Sabian AA mini chinese.
Sabian AAX mini chinese.


[QUOTE=BigMe]I need a ride that has a little bit of wash. As well as crashability.... If that's a word. Also I'd like it to sound nice with my K Dark Crash.... If that means anything. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Sabian AA medium ride
Sabian AAX stage ride
Zildjian A series medium ride
Zildjian A series sweet ride
Paiste 2002 ride

Sorry D0uble trouble


-Ant-

A Sweet Ride mate, I have the K Dark Crash too, works wonders!


-Ant-

A question:

How well do K medthin dark crashes work for rock? Like in terms of being heard? The reason I ask is I have a 20" k custom dry ride, which when I'm playing on my own, or funk or something, it is amazing, but for live rock it doesn't cut through and is also quite quiet.

I'm very much considering one, possible 18 or 16 inch depending of whether I decide larger or smaller sound than my 17" A custom projection crash (and availability 2nd hand/ebay), as I've played them on other people's kits and in shops and they sound [B]amazing [/B]but wasn't sure how it'd work for what I want to play. I'm trying to get a kit that isn't too specific, like can play rock/pop/funk etc well, but fits well with itself, so I'm looking at a non-A custom crash to get some less bright and 'clean' tones in (though a customs are very sexy).

For the record, I have so far 13 a custom mastersound hats, 17 a custom projection crash, 20" k custom dry ride (thinking of getting 2nd ride eventually that is louder, washier, crashable, and bit brighter, maybe an AAX 20" stage ride as I've found one for £85 2nd hand, excellent condition)

[QUOTE=Tim;14328396]Sabian AA fast chinese.
Sabian AA mini chinese.
Sabian AAX mini chinese.
[/QUOTE]

I think he meant 16" or larger, could be wrong though.
Sorry I can't help you myself I know nothing about chinas, having never had one.

So, I have a show next week, first one where I get to use my own kit, and I'm looking to buy a new crash before than. I'm looking for a dark sounding crash, mostly used for riding. I've been looking at a 17" K Custom Dark Crash, is this good or do you have any other suggestions?

I would suggest an 18" Amedia Vintage Crash, but unless you live in Portland OR or Europe, you can't get one :thumb:

I've played on some 19" A Customs that were pretty dark surprisingly, make for some good rides as well methinks.

[QUOTE=A_Guy;14350588]So, I have a show next week, first one where I get to use my own kit, and I'm looking to buy a new crash before than. I'm looking for a dark sounding crash, mostly used for riding. I've been looking at a 17" K Custom Dark Crash, is this good or do you have any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]

That's a very nice cymbal, in my opinion. What sort of music are you playing in your band? And is that the only thing you want this cymbal to be good for (i.e. what else will you want to use it for)?

I would try it out in a shop, but the Zildjian website ( [url]www.zildjian.com[/url] ) has a "cymbal configurator" where you can compare cymbals' sounds around a picture of drum kit, which is not bad at all, and if the rest of your cymbals are zildjian then you can add those in too to check how they fit with them.

However, going to a shop is better, as is trying different cymbal combos out with your current cymbals (see if you can take them in and use them with a kit/cymbals that you're considering). Some shops have helpful staff that will be just that, and give you advice rather than just trying to flog you a hugely expensive or unnecessary cymbal (though some will do).

Have you considered the K dark crash thin/medium thin? The don't decay so quickly, possibly a bit less 'complex' sounding but I'm not sure, and the med-thin version has a bit more high end so I think it would probably cut through if you're playing live a bit more, while retaining that dark K sound.

Another possibility is the sabian AAX dark crash. While not dark in the same way that the Zildjians are, it has the 'cleaner' sabian sound to it as you would expect from an AAX only slightly darker. The only problem comparing zildjian and sabian soundclips from their websites is that they have (very) different volume levels and sound like they're recorded in a different way (so perhaps not very comparable). Their HH/X series are more 'complex' sounding but not so dark as the Zildjians so perhaps not quite what you're after.

As seafroggys said, larger a customs can be kind of dark, but not quite in the same way the Ks.

edit: [url]www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm[/url]

I hope this is somewhat helpful.:)


p.s. can someone answer my question please? (post 5395)

Ollie:

They're ok for rock, but not in a very loud situation. Because they're dark they can cut, but just not as well as cymbals without a dark sort of distiction to them.

For some cut as well as some darkness, mostly high ends though. I would definetly recommend you take a look at the HHX Evolution Crash. I had the opportunity to try one in store and it was orgasmicacus. It's definetly on my list for hi-endcrashes. A little pricey though, but well worth the money. Look into it.

Hope that helps dude. If not, I'll be back :chug:
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Ok, now I got a question related to cymbals haha. I've been looking around for cymbals for my upgraded kit in the form of 16", 17" and 18" crashes. 17" I decided I would pick the AA Fast crash, 16" I'm on a maybe for the Evo crash. 18" I don't know. I'm not picky on mixing brands, but if you guys can suggest anything that will work for me, that'd be awesome. I mostly play alternative, as well as metal, some jazz, and indie.

That does help,thanks. I may well be back, but I'm just checking out the sabian website to get a feel for what it sounds like until I can get to a store. Only prob would be price, but then again all pro cymbals are fairly expensive and I can keep my 2nd hand eyes open....

cheers

EDIT: Any thoughts on the K custom hybrids? They are a bit brighter than regular K custom and so probs cut more. Plus they sound good.


(Btw the Sabian website's terrible volume levels mean the evolution crash isn't very hearable, so I'll wait for going to a store. It's a lot easier now I can drive, only the petrol costs ££££ here and I have to pay even using my rents' car for long journeys.) The stage crash (or was it the xlposion) for HHX sounded lovely though.

[QUOTE=A Vision of Sunny Days;14352833]
Ok, now I got a question related to cymbals haha. I've been looking around for cymbals for my upgraded kit in the form of 16", 17" and 18" crashes. 17" I decided I would pick the AA Fast crash, 16" I'm on a maybe for the Evo crash. 18" I don't know. I'm not picky on mixing brands, but if you guys can suggest anything that will work for me, that'd be awesome. I mostly play alternative, as well as metal, some jazz, and indie.[/QUOTE]

Sorry man, I missed your question, damn edit function!

So. the 17" AA fast crash is very very nice (from the website, that is). The other day I had a good look through the sabian website, specifically AA and AAX, so I'll say which I reckon sound good, and would go well together.

As said, the evo and the AA fast are both real nice. I was only looking at 16" but the same would probs be true of 18":

AAX: dark/stage/xplosion/metal crash (though that's my least favourite of them)
AA: medium/medium thin

Personally, I'd go for (possibly): 16" AAX dark crash, 17" AA fast crash (which you said), and 18" AA medium thing crash or AAX stage crash. I would think they'd be quite versatile, and if budget is an issue, AA and AAX are very reasonably priced IMO. (compared to things like meinl mb20 heavies and paiste signatures anyway).

The dark crash is, well, a bit darker, but still that cleanish aax sound, the fast crash is, well fast, and the 18" ones I suggested would cut very well, and have a decent amount of power to them for heavier crashes, so hopefully that'd be a fairly well balanced setup.

:smoke:

But don't take my word for it! :)

[QUOTE=Ollie The Drumming Legend;14352619]That's a very nice cymbal, in my opinion. What sort of music are you playing in your band? And is that the only thing you want this cymbal to be good for (i.e. what else will you want to use it for)?

I would try it out in a shop, but the Zildjian website ( [url]www.zildjian.com[/url] ) has a "cymbal configurator" where you can compare cymbals' sounds around a picture of drum kit, which is not bad at all, and if the rest of your cymbals are zildjian then you can add those in too to check how they fit with them.

However, going to a shop is better, as is trying different cymbal combos out with your current cymbals (see if you can take them in and use them with a kit/cymbals that you're considering). Some shops have helpful staff that will be just that, and give you advice rather than just trying to flog you a hugely expensive or unnecessary cymbal (though some will do).

Have you considered the K dark crash thin/medium thin? The don't decay so quickly, possibly a bit less 'complex' sounding but I'm not sure, and the med-thin version has a bit more high end so I think it would probably cut through if you're playing live a bit more, while retaining that dark K sound.

Another possibility is the sabian AAX dark crash. While not dark in the same way that the Zildjians are, it has the 'cleaner' sabian sound to it as you would expect from an AAX only slightly darker. The only problem comparing zildjian and sabian soundclips from their websites is that they have (very) different volume levels and sound like they're recorded in a different way (so perhaps not very comparable). Their HH/X series are more 'complex' sounding but not so dark as the Zildjians so perhaps not quite what you're after.

As seafroggys said, larger a customs can be kind of dark, but not quite in the same way the Ks.

edit: [url]www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm[/url]

I hope this is somewhat helpful.:)


p.s. can someone answer my question please? (post 5395)[/QUOTE]

Thanks alot for the help :thumb:
I would use it mostly for metal type stuff that I look to direct into a more stoner feel. The cymbal I used to have was an old Zildjian crash, I can probably get a sound clip up today or tomorrow. I'm going into a good drum store sometime this week (GC has crappy Zildjian selection) so I'm gonna try out a few.

Hey thanks man. I'll be checking that out soon for sure. Good suggestions btw.

[QUOTE=A_Guy;14353543]Thanks alot for the help :thumb:
I would use it mostly for metal type stuff that I look to direct into a more stoner feel. The cymbal I used to have was an old Zildjian crash, I can probably get a sound clip up today or tomorrow. I'm going into a good drum store sometime this week (GC has crappy Zildjian selection) so I'm gonna try out a few.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=A Vision of Sunny Days;14354924]Hey thanks man. I'll be checking that out soon for sure. Good suggestions btw.[/QUOTE]

No problems. Btw I tried out the 16" and 18" AA rock crashes on Monday. Now I don't like to use the word 'gongy', but .... well it wouldn't be far off. Definitely not my sort of thing, but I guess it's individual opinion if you like them.