[QUOTE=GrandMagus]Hi everyone,
i tried to follow the instructions Merkaba made in his mp3s on [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=228211[/url]
(After trying around a bit it sounds somehow like the guy from the band "Halfway to gone".)

What I noticed is that singing with the rasp consumes much more breath. i mean 2-3x as much as singing cleanly at speaking volume.

Is there anything I can do against it?
Otherwise I'd have to change my lyrics ;-)[/QUOTE]
You should be able to scream for about 15 seconds straight, give or take 5 seconds. All in one breath, then build up. You could try to just use less breath and focus on controll.
sorry for the tripple posting action.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]Toaster,

Melissa teaches some of the most successful screamers in the business. However, she doesn't teach most of them to scream, she teaches them to be able to maintain the scream they already have. You may not be a fan of her screaming but are you a fan of any of her clients? Obviously they all sound different. That should tell you your not going to sound like her when you scream. Shes not overrated as a teacher because she does help a ton of people to maintain it. If you cant scream already, don't count on the DVD to teach you how. Shes working on a 2nd one I guess that actually shows you how to; this one was to teach everyone the basics of screaming so they don't blow out.[/QUOTE]

To be able to use her vocal techniques to your benefit, you have to at least follow her guidelines of screaming (ie. using your false cords). If you don't, then you have to relearn your scream in a totally different way- her way. And I guess I'm confused about it because my screaming doesn't sound like that in the least, and I don't want it to. I think I'm using my true cords to scream, because my screaming voice is at least twice as loud as my speaking voice (unlike hers, which is almost a whisper), but I definitely don't want to relearn my vocals with [I]that[/I] as a result. It's hard to explain what I mean. :mad:

Would her exercises help someone to keep their voice even if they used more true cord than her?

[QUOTE=Toaster]To be able to use her vocal techniques to your benefit, you have to at least follow her guidelines of screaming (ie. using your false cords). If you don't, then you have to relearn your scream in a totally different way- her way. And I guess I'm confused about it because my screaming doesn't sound like that in the least, and I don't want it to. I think I'm using my true cords to scream, because my screaming voice is at least twice as loud as my speaking voice (unlike hers, which is almost a whisper), but I definitely don't want to relearn my vocals with [I]that[/I] as a result. It's hard to explain what I mean. :mad:

Would her exercises help someone to keep their voice even if they used more true cord than her?[/QUOTE]
Her exercises will show you how to use false chords and get your scream if you practice enough. You can mold her techniques into your screaming.

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair]So I can scream, and I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Would her DVD be the key?

Oh and after I scream my throat feels like its "open" more. Is this normal?[/QUOTE]

Her DVD along with Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming MP3 would be best. The MP3 gives you step by step in getting rasp in a good way, and her DVD will give you good warm ups to do and tips to keep you doing the screams correctly.

Its a good thing that you feel more open afterwards IF open means stuff is easier to hit, better tone, throat doesnt close up when going for high/low notes, stuff like that.

[QUOTE=Toaster]To be able to use her vocal techniques to your benefit, you have to at least follow her guidelines of screaming (ie. using your false cords). If you don't, then you have to relearn your scream in a totally different way- her way. And I guess I'm confused about it because my screaming doesn't sound like that in the least, and I don't want it to. I think I'm using my true cords to scream, because my screaming voice is at least twice as loud as my speaking voice (unlike hers, which is almost a whisper), but I definitely don't want to relearn my vocals with [I]that[/I] as a result. It's hard to explain what I mean. :mad:

Would her exercises help someone to keep their voice even if they used more true cord than her?[/QUOTE]

Yes. She explains screaming in two ways:
1)Heat which is just a slight rasp or edge to a note. Examples would be Rob Halford and Steven Tyler.

2)Fire which is pretty much total distortion with no real tone. Examples would be pretty much everyone listed on her site.

You can do screams at any volume so don't worry about that. Her stuff like dump and rotunda/strapless bra are really helpful for anyone. Yes, it sounds weird but they work. You have to get the DVD to figure out what im talking about though:)

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]Her DVD along with Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming MP3 would be best. The MP3 gives you step by step in getting rasp in a good way, and her DVD will give you good warm ups to do and tips to keep you doing the screams correctly.

Its a good thing that you feel more open afterwards IF open means stuff is easier to hit, better tone, throat doesnt close up when going for high/low notes, stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
It feels like I have more of a hole to breathe through. I don't talk very much so that could be why and I didn't talk much today.

is there any way i could get her dvd for free?

how in the world does this guy scream?

hes frikin insane.. does anyone one know what technique he uses?

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bulb[/url]

the song is called "The walk rerecorded"

any help is appreciated!

[QUOTE=Fretboardninja]is there any way i could get her dvd for free?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know a great way!
Ask your mom!

Hey, this is my first post here. i like the idea of this site.

well i have a couple questions.

1. i have a fetish with singing Nirvana songs and i absolutly love Breaking Benjamin. Well are there any tips you could give me to sing Breaking Benjamin songs? the same goes for Nirvana songs.

2.I'm having alittle trouble actualy signing after i growl. is there anything i can do to solve this?

3. when i listen to system of a down songs i can hear that their lead singer has an AWESOME vibrato. are there exercises i can do to give myself a better vibrato?

thanks, it would probably be better to e-mail a response to me at [email]bisforbrandonn@yahoo.com[/email]

Ok, I want to improve the tone of my voice. I'm fine with pitch. I would say I hit the correct notes more than 95% of the time. My voice sounds awful though.

I guess what I'm asking it if it's possible, or will I always be stuck with a crappy voice?

screaming.
 

i was just wondering....if anyone is interested in telling me how to scream longer, without loosing breathe and without damaging anything.
Tell me, does honey affect/help anything? if so tell me why and are there any other options besides honey:confused:

alright, i can scream, just not that loud. when i scream it sounds good, but i just want it to be louder, so if i were to scream through a microphone it would be loud as hell, underoath style, maybe im not doing something right in my mouth. help me

[QUOTE=xmaximum566]i was just wondering....if anyone is interested in telling me how to scream longer, without loosing breathe and without damaging anything.
Tell me, does honey affect/help anything? if so tell me why and are there any other options besides honey:confused:[/QUOTE]
Don't drink honey. You want your body to be as clean as possible. Drink water. In order to scream longer, look up Merkaba's Voice Helpline and do the breathing exercises. Your not going to damage anything by screaming longer if you do it right. Make sure to warm up and warm down.


[QUOTE=Everyones_anti_hero]alright, i can scream, just not that loud. When I scream it sounds good, but i just want it to be louder, so if i were to scream through a microphone it would be loud as hell, underoath style, maybe im not doing something right in my mouth. help me[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about volume, let the microphone do the work. [URL="http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/clickit/search?r_aid=28D31EC99FB54F28BB3F50D55AEC0070&r_eop=1&r_sacop=1&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=1&r_spp=0&qqn=cVya7L0d&r_coid=372669&rawto=http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_-_Metal_Vocal_Tutorial.mp3"]This[/URL] helped me a lot, but I'm not sure if it is safe, but I do it anyway and it sounds good.I would would just build up untill it is loud. Make sure to warm up and warm down.

[QUOTE=Frenchy1511]2.I'm having alittle trouble actualy signing after i growl. is there anything i can do to solve this?[/QUOTE]
Listen to [URL="http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/clickit/search?r_aid=28D31EC99FB54F28BB3F50D55AEC0070&r_eop=1&r_sacop=1&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=1&r_spp=0&qqn=cVya7L0d&r_coid=372669&rawto=http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_-_Metal_Vocal_Tutorial.mp3"]this[/URL] it should help. Also make sure to warm up and warm down.

[QUOTE=even if they were canadian]Ok, I want to improve the tone of my voice. I'm fine with pitch. I would say I hit the correct notes more than 95% of the time. My voice sounds awful though.
I guess what I'm asking it if it's possible, or will I always be stuck with a crappy voice?
[/QUOTE]
Nah, you can change it. I don't know much about it though. Wait for someone else.


/You're welcome. :smoke:

Alot of professionals say you can't change the tone of your voice, then alot say you can. Which one is it?

i didnt see any posts like this, so i was just wondering,

what are some excersises that help you increase your range?

[QUOTE=Music as a Weapon]i didnt see any posts like this, so i was just wondering,

what are some excersises that help you increase your range?[/QUOTE]
Do a search for Merkaba's voice help.

[QUOTE=Everyones_anti_hero]alright, i can scream, just not that loud. when i scream it sounds good, but i just want it to be louder, so if i were to scream through a microphone it would be loud as hell, underoath style, maybe im not doing something right in my mouth. help me[/QUOTE]
I wish I had this problem.

Mine is: I can scream loud, with a lot of breath.
When I reduce volume my voice returns to clean.
grmpf

I guess thats not pretty healthy for the cords.
And i can't practice/record in my flat since I'm too loud.

[QUOTE=Fretboardninja]how in the world does this guy scream?

hes frikin insane.. does anyone one know what technique he uses?

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bulb[/url]

the song is called "The walk rerecorded"

any help is appreciated![/QUOTE]
sounds typical to me. Everything does though because there's only a few things you can do with the cords and larynx. Its the same thing I talk about around here.

THe last three or four posts...Its pretty much all been covered...ad nauseum by myself and others. So please read the hotline. Its a long but very very important read.
[URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911"][SIZE="7"][B][COLOR="Blue"]
Merkaba's Voicehelp Hotline[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/URL]

I think I have a strained vocal chord. I was screaming and it hurt, because I was trying something new. I stopped it after about one minute and started playing guitar and didn't swallow that much during that time. Mainly because of concentration. I did not taste blood at all I don't think. After I was done my throat still hurt and it feels like a light pinch in my upper right adams apple area. My friend who is a screamer informed me that this has happened to him and that it is most likely a strained vocal chord. So right now I am drinking a lot of water and reducing my talking/singing/and definately screaming. It hurts when I swallow and a little bit when I talk. Mainly because when you talk your adams apple moves up and that is when it hurts me. I am almost positive it is a strained chord. Is there a way to make this heal faster? I took an Ibuprofen for the pain and I am drinking water. Anything else that could help?
Thanks
EDIT: Would drinking sleepy time tea help. No caffeine.
Edit: I am drinking tea and it helps.

Fuzzyhair,
You have strained your cords so:
No ibuprofen or anything like that. They can cause major damage to your vocal cords so avoid them. Same with chloraseptic and other throat numbing sprays. It's fine if your not going to speak or sing, but you could be pushing your voice to an extreme and you wouldn't feel a thing which is not good.
Do light scales starting on the highest falsetto you can COMFORTABLY hit right now. 5 notes, downward. Do this until you reach the bottom. Do some lip trills and humming as well. It's better (unless you have laryngitis) to keep your voice flexible than to just go totally quiet. Going totally silent will cause even more mucus to form which will result in even less of a voice.
Tea will help as long as there is no caffeine but quit drinking it and switch to water. Drink a gallon of it tomorrow. Breath some steam as well to loosen mucus.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]Fuzzyhair,
You have strained your cords so:
No ibuprofen or anything like that. They can cause major damage to your vocal cords so avoid them. Same with chloraseptic and other throat numbing sprays. It's fine if your not going to speak or sing, but you could be pushing your voice to an extreme and you wouldn't feel a thing which is not good.
Do light scales starting on the highest falsetto you can COMFORTABLY hit right now. 5 notes, downward. Do this until you reach the bottom. Do some lip trills and humming as well. It's better (unless you have laryngitis) to keep your voice flexible than to just go totally quiet. Going totally silent will cause even more mucus to form which will result in even less of a voice.
Tea will help as long as there is no caffeine but quit drinking it and switch to water. Drink a gallon of it tomorrow. Breath some steam as well to loosen mucus.[/QUOTE]
Okay I read this right after I took 3 Ibuprofen. I will stop taking it though. I havent been singing for the past 2 days. I drank a whole lot of water last night and I am going to carry around a water bottle today. What exactly are lip trills? I know I'm going to have to talk in class today. I hope that's okay. Thanks

Lip trills are sounds little kids make when they are playing with cars and motorboat toys. The BBBBBBBBBBBBBB sound with your lips flapping.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz]Lip trills are sounds little kids make when they are playing with cars and motorboat toys. The BBBBBBBBBBBBBB sound with your lips flapping.[/QUOTE]
Okay. I drank a lot of water today. Not quite a gallon, but a lot. I pissed for like 3 minutes in the school bathroom. 'twas quite a show. My throat is feeling a little better today, even though I know it will take time to heal. I'm hoping it will feel better in the next couple of days. Thanks for your help.

Glad to hear its working out. Just keep doing the lip trills and drinking pleanty of water and you'll be fine. A few weeks ago I strained while I was recording some stuff for about 6 hours with about 2 hours of sleep and because I did everything I suggested to you my voice was back to normal in two days. If you can get some at a GNC or something, get some Throat Coat Tea. It takes a bit to get used to because its pretty bad but have a cup of that every once in a while with some honey in it and it helps too.

I disagree. I think you need to shut it up unless you really need to talk. Thats what I learned. Plus, we dont know what you did. You could have residual pain from swelling affecting one of your vocal nerves, or a damaged or partially paralyzed a nerve, which is quite common as far as vocal injuries go. With a nerve injury or partial block, the cord cant get the proper signals it needs to attempt to vibrate properly. However, if its not very painful or excrutiating then youre probably in the clear. I'm just not a fan of any drinks. Someone tell me what it is in a tea or concoction that when swallowed and digested ends up being circulated to the cords for a benefit...?? I say eat lots of raw vegetables and fruits as they pack the most nutritional punch, and take a multi. If you heal in two or three days then I'm willing to bet that it was a minor injury and your body needed that time to deal with it and repair it with its resources, not because you drank any over the counter anything. Otherwise it would probably have active ingredients listed. I dont know of any vocal help concoction or tea that has active ingredients....
"These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA"

And dont forget about mid to medium low E's....
Nutrition and water. You violated....The body heals itself when its ready.

[url]www.thevoiceconnection.com[/url] has a review on Throat Coat Tea. It has tons of herbs in it that are meant to help the voice in many ways. Totally shutting down will make it worse. Unless he has done major damage which he isn't considering he can still talk, do exercises, etc. This happens to artists all the time on the road. If you keep on pushing like it, yea it will do damage but its going to take a lot to do something major and you'll know right away if you did something bad like rupturing a cord or something of that nature.

Was he to just sit around and go silent it would take longer for his voice to recover because the inactivity is going to cause extra swelling and mucus because the lack of blood being circulated to the area. If he was to keep on just singing like he was when he messed up this time it would be even worse because it would just add to the injury. However, vocalizing the lip trills, humming, EE's, everything will help to thin everything back out and get back to normal. The tea is just really an alternative to water if you get sick of drinking nothing but water; it isn't needed but it does help.

I am starting to feel better today. My throat barely hurts in that spot. It hurt a little bit this morning, but sore throats usually hurt worst in the mornings anyway. It feels WAY better now then it did 2 days ago. I could proboably scream again if I wanted to, but I'm going to hold back on that for now.

hi tonight i was singing along to some gamma ray and suddenly i was able to hit those high falsetto sections note for note with power and without tension or discomfort. but the side effect was that i felt like a tiny part of my adams apple was sticking into my throat, even though this was not sore or unfortable it is strange because ive only being trying to sing REAL falsetto stuff for about a month and ive never expierenced anything like being able to sing that high!! now for all the singers out there did you ever get things like this happening when you first started singing??? my voice seems to have gone back to normal now but it was cool being able to do this for a while! something similar happened a few days ago aswell but maybe it is just my voice getting stronger im not sure at all?!

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz][url]www.thevoiceconnection.com[/url] has a review on Throat Coat Tea. It has tons of herbs in it that are meant to help the voice in many ways. Totally shutting down will make it worse. Unless he has done major damage which he isn't considering he can still talk, do exercises, etc. This happens to artists all the time on the road. If you keep on pushing like it, yea it will do damage but its going to take a lot to do something major and you'll know right away if you did something bad like rupturing a cord or something of that nature.

Was he to just sit around and go silent it would take longer for his voice to recover because the inactivity is going to cause extra swelling and mucus because the lack of blood being circulated to the area. If he was to keep on just singing like he was when he messed up this time it would be even worse because it would just add to the injury. However, vocalizing the lip trills, humming, EE's, everything will help to thin everything back out and get back to normal. The tea is just really an alternative to water if you get sick of drinking nothing but water; it isn't needed but it does help.[/QUOTE]
Well there's definitely a line to walk here. I just prefer to play it on the safe side. And lets not forget that mucus is created for a reason. Its not a poison. The cords don't care about our agendas or desires to blast this or that pitch. If they are damaged they will produce more mucus, and if they are swollen they wont vibrate properly, which means that further vibrations could, possibly, result in more aggrivation. The mucus is to protect the swollen area from being infected. The pain is from, hopefully, swelling, which will limit activity as the area heals. If you hurry this natural process along you can be doing yourself an injustice. Its not the same as mucus created from dairy or general aggrivated technique. If you suddenly blew something out, you need the protection. No matter what one does the cord won't vibrate properly until's normal, especially if its one side thats affected more than another. Right now...who knows what the issue really was? And if it was hurting mostly on one side, then you really need to watch it. Because sometimes that can be nerve related. Good to see you doing better though Fuzzy. Lets just all be careful, regardless.And yea...I would hold off another day or three from the screaming. Time to practice the clean voice singing. hehe