Wow, I read every single page of this! Very usefull information indeedI'm already starting to see some results. I'm hoping to get a scream like Brandan from Bleeding Through or Jesse, the former singer of Killswitch Engage.

[QUOTE]Dan from Story of the Year is who i model my scream after. When i started modelling my scream after him, i realized that singing/screaming along to story of the year actually helps to mold your voice a bit like that. Your voice eventually picks up how you want to sound and conforms as best as it can to the voice your screaming with. Or so i think so anyways, but there is technique and alot of work involved. I've met Dan from story of the year and asked him how he started off (screaming). He told me that you just gotta drink alot of f**king water and scream your balls off. something like that ahah...oh the inspiration he gave me ahah. anyways, good luck, doubt i helped,but i tried.
Also, because Dans scream can hit many notes and has a wide range, make sure you can sing the notes he screams before trying to scream them. If you cant hit the pitch singing, you wont get near it screaming.[/QUOTE]


uh not really true, i cant hit pretty much any high note singing but i can scream as high as '#12 looks like you' can maybe alittle higher

#12 looks like you

wtf??

hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]#12 looks like you

wtf??[/QUOTE]


yeah check em out on kazaa or somthing

The Number 12 Looks Like You, Civeta Dei is one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=davidw_9]hey, i was just wondering what are some good warm ups before you start screaming? im sorry if someone has already given that advice i must have missed it while i was looking through the forum. any help would be great thanks.




ps. thanks alot to all those who have helped! due to the advice i have read i can now scream in my friends band :thumb:[/QUOTE]

i have some stuff in my voicehelp hotline

I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?

im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream

WHat about me?
 

WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:

[QUOTE=leomondaine]im annoyed cus i cant scream or sing high, its just cus of my vocal range and me having a deep voice :( i sound like cookie monster when i scream[/QUOTE]
hehe. sorry i had to laugh. i love cookie monster.

[QUOTE=headbass]WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:[/QUOTE]
i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?

[QUOTE=Jason101]I'm happy with my sound, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing things correctly (not getting any pain etc) - my one problem would be what I'm assuming is down to my lung capacity - I've got quite a large lung capacity (can hold my breath for approx 1min 30s) but for some reason I'm running out of breath very very quickly when screaming - I can make the "Die Young and Save Yourself" scream from Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria, but anything more than about 2 seconds long I seem to break up on.
I do seem to have a pretty loud scream (our drummer heard me crystal clear from upstairs on the other side of the building, and I wasn't using a mic) so could it be the fact that I'm getting too much volume that's killing the length of my scream?[/QUOTE]

your cords are acoustic instruments.
Play any acoustic instrument really hard and loud and its always the same. Overkill. youre just blowing. if you've got that kind of capacity you should be able to carry at least a 15 second scream. I've done a few around thirty or fourty. I had to get my lungs x rayed when i was young and the doctor remarked about how big my lungs were. but none the less, its about learning proper breath support. I cant really repeat much now cause its late

[QUOTE=headbass]WHat About ME??

Have any tips for girls who like to scream. I haven't seen it done much, but i love to do it. WHen i do, My voice always gives, and cracks. My voice is low pitched, but when i try to do it like Breaking Benjamin, it doesn't sound right. I mean, I know he's a guy, and thats the difference, but whats a girl to do? :evil:[/QUOTE]
There are no differences among the sexes other than the size of the larynx. hence no "adams apple" . but this means that if youre trying to sing a guys voice you might be over stressing your head voice because he might be in falsetto or mixed voice. and you might not be able to get down to a low enough falsetto get me? you just cant go so low in falsetto before you cords close and then its head. otherwise, all of the usual tips pertain to females as well.

[QUOTE=bloodclotsandblackholes]i have the same question. except my voice doesnt crack. when i scream i sound like geoff from thursday, except fuller. is there some sort of technique that i can use? because from what i thought, girls dont have falsetto. i do scream in all three of my bands at the moment (and play bass or guitar, not lead). ive been doing it for about six months, and after i have been screaming to a cd for about 45 minutes, i dont feel any pain or anything, so am i doing most things right?[/QUOTE]

see my other female reply above.

and falsetto is just when you open the cords to sing. babies have falsetto ...women do to. everyone does. now some teachers dont train falsetto, but you have it.

no pain, no affect to speaking voice....etc..... keep going! however you should always be looking for ways to go for balance ...unless youre just wanting to eventually get around to vocal discomfort. hey, you might already be well balanced.

Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie[/url]

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.

[QUOTE=metaliq]Merkaba! I think I have a NEW question for you. Believe it or not.

Here be the link to the band: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/everytimeidie[/url]

Everytime I Die. His vocal style is more of a 'shout/scream' verses growl or falsetto scream. HOW does it do it without going mute after one show... (I saw them sunday btw... hehe... good show- zao, misery signals, everytime i die, dillinger escape plan).

But anyway... whats your input? There has to be a technique if he can do it every night and not throw his voice off.[/QUOTE]

I listened. And yes there is a technique.
Its the same thing. He's just adding rasp to his singing. While yes singing rather hard. But the key is to learn to not move the larynx...as minimal as possible. I dont know any other ways other than to practice isolation. If you havent really studied the cords, then you have to be your own judge. you have to be able to isolate the throat from the cords. some people just do it "naturally" ...some cant. you have to know the feeling of squeezing the cords, and the feeling of squeezing the throat. the two of which have to be seperated. you have to squeeze the cords in order to hold them together against the resistance of air....but you also have to slightely pull down the throat in order to get the rasp. slightely...too much and you hinder the airflow and thus create even more pressure on the cords. And of course proper support is key. These guys sound like they play in a low key, like B or something. so that makes it waaay easier. So to sum up...its just the same stuff i usually post. but it takes alot of strength....relative to normal singing...so if you cant do it, its something that takes time. but probably more technique than time. you have to learn to keep the larynx open. its just that simple.

Anyone know how to sing/scream/growl like Johnny Morrow? (Iron Monkey)
As far as I know, he screamed completely differently to anyone that was/is about. He's certainly worth checking out if you want to hear screaming, as his technique certainly appears to be original and rarely, if ever imitated.

got a link to a sample?

Alright, I've read this whole thread and I've tried doing things like Jay said, but I'm obvisouly doing something wrong because I keep straining my voice. I'm keeping my jaw and shoulders relaxed, and I'm pushing hard with my stomach, but I just can't seem to scream without hurting my throat. I'm trying to duplicate Brandan's scream from Bleeding Through (a good example of one of their sngs is "Love Lost in a Hail of Gunfire), but so far I've had no success.

My regular singing voice has improved alot using the techniques in this thread. Like I can sing louder and hold notes longer, but my scream just won't come out right.

Thanks for any advice.

You dont push hard with your stomach. Your lungs are always stronger than your cords! you support with your diaphragm yes, and sometimes you might want to squeeze it a bit but not alot. Alot of the stuff from earlier in this thread is not good as far as trying to teach a new person how to scream. Theres more to it than just pushing. Thats where you tear your cords up. You should be able to get any scream with no more than a 60 to 70 percent push. anything more than that comes with time and building strength.

Practice getting what you want with less push, not more. and remember that youre still trying to hit a note. practice hitting high notes in high head voice and high falsetto ,and again, you dont have to push all that hard especially in head voice. you want to push less, because the cords are thinner. too much of a push and your cords dont vibrate as much, they just flutter up and down more than making a wave across themselves which is where you get the sound from. And remember your cords lay horizontal across your adams apple. this helped me alot , i dont know how, but it gave me an idea of what it should feel like to isolate the cords. basically what most people are trying to do is rasp a high falsetto off the back of your throat.

A big key is to have support in your gut though, and it should slightly.....SLIGHTLY feel like youre pushing a grunt. The grunt feel is the pressure behind the cords, but you hold it enough so that its not blasting pass. Practice singing, then singing hard which is really not that much of a push either. When you scream you should feel like youre getting ready to hold any other note, you just pull the back of your throat down a bit to scrape the sound off. check out my Voicehelp hot line sticky if you havent already.

Hey Merkaba...

I've tried to do isolation... but when I hit my falsetto my adams apple goes pretty high... is that normal for falsetto or no?

And should my adam's apple sit about normal... or lower? Because I cant seem to do as well if I make it go below its normal position.

yea. it will rise in oder to close your throat....naturally...again your body knows that it cant get a high sound from a long thick larynx/cords. the thing is to realize the feel of it happening naturally and not under pressure and tense. Thats good. its good that you realize that. just dont push too hard...and continue to do it without trying to do it. while youre isolating all of your sounds may not come out good. its because the throat has to shift and move, but the key is to realize what it feels like to do it naturally and to have your mind on your cords only and not the throat...so it does it naturally. you can tuck your chin a little bit here and there, play around with that, in various degrees. not too extreme. but helps to keep the throat open while the larynx rises. play with that. and try to feel like youre opening back and up when you need to open up. not just opening your mouth, but the back of the throat, experiment with the throat muscles as you progress. as you do just sing normally and try to feel the differences. and continue to isolate until you know youre isolating without thinking about it as you form various sounds, consanants, and emotional faces.

and the apple will go lower for lower tones....and vice versa. its just physics. but you dont want it tensing as it does. thats the key. and playing with the throat a bit can help you get an edge on keeping it open. i put my tongue on my bottom lip alot, you dont want it pressing around that much either, and let your cheekbones rise like a snarling dog. just play around with the feelings and find if it helps you open up.

:thumb:

Many thanks, this is helping me more than you know.

I was hoping to get a 'Bleeding Through' kind of scream/growl, but after some experimentation I've found that I can get a 'Factory 81' type sound, except abit lower. Not quite what I was hoping for, but I think I finally found a style that I physically handle. Mind you, I do this with more of a 'whisper scream' thing, and although I've been playing with techinque and all, I still get a slight discomfort after doing it for a little while. I just hope that playing around to find what will work will not end up hurting me in any way.

If I can get my voice recorded I'll post it up so you can hear it.

Thanks.

Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe

I have to agree with soundless.Vow. This is much more descriptive. Thanks bud. I'm trying to get a good scream going. I have an audition for a band a week from now. And they just want to see if I CAN scream if neccesary.But with the information im getting here im sure I can do that ****. I have a natural deep voice and that"SCREAMING 101" didnt help much for me. It was VERY tech, and not descriptive. With my singing abilities and this new information i know I can impress these guys.Once again. thanks man

I think i responded to another one of your posts in a different thread. Did you check out the voice samples in the hotline?....

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21991[/url]

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Practice singing. I cant reiterate it enough. like i say. you cant run before you can walk. so to speak. you have to build a good platform for later construction. the foundation is the most important part of the house...etc, etc. hehe. trust me. its way easier to damage something by just over reaching to get a particular sound you may not be capable of just yet. be patient. practice going up in head voice. it works to strengthen the cords while being thin. which is what you need for higher falsetto stuff. and remember not to over push.

yes a sample would be cool.

be careful and be patient. how old are you anyways? If i've already asked, sue me! hehe[/QUOTE]

I'm 20, soon to be 21.

When my allergies aren't acting up I have a fairly good singing voice, and I do get plenty of practice. Thanks for the tips.

Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..

its is most probably more of a yell than a scream

[QUOTE=osirisblind]Hey Merkaba, sorry I don't want to sound like and idiot if you've covered this already (I read all the other threads and from what I saw I couldn't fit this into any real style).
Anyways, I was wondering what Leftover Crack or the Casualties would fit into. Each have their own raw type of singing and screaming and I was wondering if this is a physical thing (ie. all the beer/pot/smoking they inhale), or is it just a certain style that is possible to achieve?
Thanks man,
Adrian

edit: oh and if it matters, I'm 16, deep voice though which only cracks/distorts with lots of pushing on my part..[/QUOTE]

well i've heard of them but Im not familiar with there songs or sound. But again, if it sounds like a raspy scream...its air off of the back of the throat. Thats all it can be unless they are just pushing so hard their cords flutter which is a no no. Otherwise they have to be a high pitch squeel maybe. In any event, you can be that you have to be able to make the note first. All screams just basically are the same except the amount of head voice thats used verses falsetto. And you can kinda mix the two which is a mixed voice, which i think Jay talked about a while back...power falsetto. you kinda get the best of both worlds. It depends on how much cord activatin you want. you basically do both at the same time. which is sing a falsetto note but add in the feeling of head voice. this takes practice but most people are already doing it anyways. I'll try to check them out. but in case i cant, do you have a link to any of their songs? You might could imagine me having to do this quite abit per these requests. wouldnt be that bad if i werent on dialup. plus im fighting some weird virus activity on here which makes my online experience less than desirable. hehe.