[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241848]Why are you so in favor of pointlessly taking lives?

I'm a pacifist. Also, I think abortion is fucking deplorable, when so many adoption agencies exist and so many women can't have kids.[/QUOTE]

I believe in the right to have the choice, myself personally if I was ever dumb enough to get a girl pregnant I'd drop out of school to help support the baby, but for some girls it's right for them.

That's a better assertion of my views.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241848]Why are you so in favor of pointlessly taking lives?[/QUOTE]

i would guess that most aren't taken pointlessly

~*aBOrtIon DEbatE*~

i'm pro-choice but i don't think men have any right to talk about the issue

generally economically and socially liberal, i vote democratic

used to be super socialist in high school but i've calmed down since then

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241861]i'm pro-choice but i don't think men have any right to talk about the issue[/QUOTE]

all men and women have the right to reason

reason is relevant always

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241861]
used to be super socialist in high school but i've calmed down since then[/QUOTE]

from fretboard to fratboard.

ugh hate political discussions

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18241858]I believe in the right to have the choice,[/quote]
Then why shouldn't people have the choice to kill people whenever? And why is it a double murder if someone kills a woman?

[quote]myself personally if I was ever dumb enough to get a girl pregnant I'd drop out of school to help support the baby, but for some girls it's right for them.

That's a better assertion of my views.[/QUOTE]

Word, but why is it right for those girls when they could easily give up the baby to a charity organization that will give the baby to an infertile woman?

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241807]politics discussion last page has me wondering

what are you guys' political views if any[/QUOTE]

my ideal political system is the social democracy of the scandinavian countries, but then again my political persuasions have been swaying a lot lately.

because giving birth isn't easy you retard

and to answer your question mitch - Independent with slight liberal/democratic/left wing leanings

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241861]i'm pro-choice but i don't think men have any right to talk about the issue[/quote]
Stupidest argument ever, no offense Mitch. Men are fathers. Women are mothers. It's not just the woman's child.

[quote]generally economically and socially liberal, i vote democratic[/quote]
Do you consider liberal economics to be more regulation on businesses or a more [I]Lazzies Faire[/I] approach?

Because seriously, I will never understand why American "liberals" lie about what their beliefs are. There's nothing liberating about mandates and regulations.

[quote]used to be super socialist in high school but i've calmed down since then[/QUOTE]
HS socialists piss me off.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241876]because giving birth isn't easy you retard[/QUOTE]

So because I think that a child doesn't solely belong to a mother I'm retarded?

Sound logic. Also, lots of cases where babies being aborted emotionally destroys the father, js.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241881]Stupidest argument ever, no offense Mitch. Men are fathers. Women are mothers. It's not just the woman's child.


Do you consider liberal economics to be more regulation on businesses or a more [I]Lazzies Faire[/I] approach?

Because seriously, I will never understand why American "liberals" lie about what their beliefs are. There's nothing liberating about mandates and regulations.


[B]HS socialists piss me off.[/B][/QUOTE]

lol backed hard

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241870]Then why shouldn't people have the choice to kill people whenever? And why is it a double murder if someone kills a woman?



Word, but why is it right for those girls when they could easily give up the baby to a charity organization that will give the baby to an infertile woman?[/QUOTE]

It's not easy giving up a child mate, that attachment after having carried it is so fucking strong and then they're left to a mother who never really wanted them in the first place.

I've seen it happen, it's terrible.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241881]Stupidest argument ever, no offense Mitch. Men are fathers. Women are mothers. It's not just the woman's child.[/QUOTE]

yea i have to agree with mappy here mitch. its ultimately the womans choice yet but men should definitely have some say. they have to care for it too, pay child support, etc.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18241886]It's not easy giving up a child mate, that attachment after having carried it is so fucking strong and then they're left to a mother who never really wanted them in the first place.

I've seen it happen, it's terrible.[/QUOTE]
And this is why people shouldn't go on about how killing babies is okay, then less dumb girls will make mistakes and end up getting knocked up.

Sorry, but a child is still alive in the womb, regardless of what idiots who make mistakes want to rationalize their killing babies with.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241881]Stupidest argument ever, no offense Mitch. Men are fathers. Women are mothers. It's not just the woman's child.


Do you consider liberal economics to be more regulation on businesses or a more [I]Lazzies Faire[/I] approach?

Because seriously, I will never understand why American "liberals" lie about what their beliefs are. There's nothing liberating about mandates and regulations.[/QUOTE]

men don't have shit to do with the act of giving birth and pregnancy though. sure men can have some input, but abortion is ultimately a women's issue.

and

are you seriously getting into a semantic argument

okay let's scratch the "liberal" moniker, i'm left-wing, i generally support the economic policies of the democratic party.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241870]Then why shouldn't people have the choice to kill people whenever? And why is it a double murder if someone kills a woman?
[/QUOTE]

the implications of these questions are all fundamentally wrong

How so?

And I meant pregnant woman. lol

I agree wholeheartedly, girls who use abortion as some sort of final birth control knock me sick.

It's never an easier option, but sometimes mate it's unfortunately the easiest and best option.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241893]men don't have shit to do with the act of giving birth and pregnancy though. sure men can have some input, but abortion is ultimately a women's issue.[/QUOTE]

oh okay misunderstood you nvm then.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18241893]men don't have shit to do with the act of giving birth and pregnancy though.[/quote]
Oh really? Could've sworn men impregnate women.

[quote] sure men can have some input, but abortion is ultimately a women's issue.[/quote]
How so? Men spread their seed, it's human instinct.


[quote]and

are you seriously getting into a semantic argument[/quote]
Yes, because it's misleading and draws in a lot of dumb people who are easily swayed.

[quote]okay let's scratch the "liberal" moniker, i'm left-wing, i generally support the economic policies of the democratic party.[/QUOTE]
I now hate you. :p

[QUOTE]It's never an easier option, but sometimes mate it's unfortunately the easiest and best option.[/QUOTE]

backed hard

i just figure i wouldn't like it if some girl told me what i could do or not do with my own body or well being. cant really justify telling them that they couldn't do something with theirs.

Relationships require input from both parties. The whole attitude that children are a women's issue only these days are exactly what has perpetuated so many social issues in lower-class communities in America.
[QUOTE=2muchket!;18241898]I agree wholeheartedly, girls who use abortion as some sort of final birth control knock me sick.

It's never an easier option, but sometimes mate it's unfortunately the easiest and best option.[/QUOTE]

Easiest, maybe, best, I completely disagree. I think anyone taking another's life for any reason is abhorrent, except maybe in self defense, but the idea of taking someone's life before they're even given a chance to have one is fucking disturbing to me.

man this shit got heated mad quick

EDIT @ nick: hahaha srsly

Cyclical Arguments and the Burden of Proof (A Headache Inducing Community Thread)

everyone's beliefs are so interesting

the best form of birth control is to not have sex at all. of course, thats not the easiest, as we all have urges, so the [I]easiest[/I] would be a condom.

if you were to moderate the two it would probably be a barrier method combined with a spermicide during and birth control pills afterwards.

bulldog you could be a middle school health teacher

pleeeeeeease no politics discussion ever here

agreed!

Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong!

mappy you know when babies are aborted they're just a bundle of cells, right?

they can't say mamma or daddy[I] quite[/I] yet

idc just get rid of it

lol

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241906] the idea of taking someone's life before they're even given a chance to have one is fucking disturbing to me.[/QUOTE]

you don't understand what you are saying on a fundamental level

these things do not have life nor the right to life because we only have the right to what we are given. every time i nut into a condom that's a potential life i "took." i took that gamete's life before it was given a chance to have one

it's a fucking lump of flesh, it is not a person and it is unwanted. it has no right to life and it has no longing for life nor sorrow for it's loss. you are projecting imagined emotion suffering unto it and that is all

That's not always the case. There's a distinction between a developed fetus and a bundle of cells, obviously.

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241919]Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong![/QUOTE]

stop it bro

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;18241919]Yo considering a fetus a human life is fundamentally wrong![/QUOTE]

yea mappy brings up a good point we're all basing our arguments on the precedent that a fetus, no matter how developed, constitutes a life. when talking about these matters we have to factor in that key variable to make a legitimate case, because one mandated policy regarding abortion, no matter the circumstance, is stupid.

what about embryos