[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah no shlt, preferably something from Orchid or Morningrise. For some reason they don't play anything from either album. I don't think they can play the songs live, I really don't.[/QUOTE]

Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.

They probably forget them, too.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.

They probably forget them, too.[/QUOTE]


Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:


Edit: I just realized you called [I]Orchid[/I] [U]crap[/U]. I hate you. Not to mention that album got be hooked on them. Don't post ignorance in here ever again. Look the word up, your posts describe that term well.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:


Edit: I just realized you called [I]Orchid[/I] [U]crap[/U]. I hate you.[/QUOTE]

Should you really be lecturing me about what [I]I[/I] post?

People who heard Orchid live could mistake it for Gothenburg. I've met many who would write off any Gothenburg band as "generic and boring". I never said it was crap, although I rate it very low compared to other Opeth albums. Don't be so affronted if I don't [I]adore[/I] every ounce of material Opeth has released.

EDIT: :Braces for impact:

[QUOTE=Flynn]Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:


Edit: I just realized you called [I]Orchid[/I] [U]crap[/U]. I hate you. Not to mention that album got be hooked on them. Don't post ignorance in here ever again. Look the word up, your posts describe that term well.[/QUOTE]
Dude, calm down. He can call Orchid crap if he wants to. Besides, he speaks the truth.

It's a disjointed, sloppy and amatuer album in my mind.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Should you really be lecturing me about what [I]I[/I] post?

People who heard Orchid live could mistake it for Gothenburg. I've met many who would write off any Gothenburg band as "generic and boring". I never said it was crap, although I rate it very low compared to other Opeth albums. Don't be so affronted if I don't [I]adore[/I] every ounce of material Opeth has released.[/QUOTE]


First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what [B]ORCHID[/B] is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.

[QUOTE=Flynn]First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what [B]ORCHID[/B] is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ man, calm down.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]Jesus Christ man, calm down.[/QUOTE]


Ignorant people make me angry. I depsise it. Especially when they concur their opinion as a ''norm''. If you don't like Orchid, don't waste your time typing it. Period.

[QUOTE=Flynn]First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what [B]ORCHID[/B] is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.[/QUOTE]

Seriously I hope you're joking.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Ignorant people make me angry. I depsise it. Especially when they concur their opinion as a ''norm''. If you don't like Orchid, don't waste your time typing it. Period.[/QUOTE]

People have the right to have their own opinion, and if you don't like it, ignore it or dont make such a big deal.... Its as simple as that. I know it's your thread but not every post has to be 100% approving of everything Opeth has released.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.

They probably forget them, too.[/QUOTE]


Read That.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Read That.[/QUOTE]
OK. He was saying that some newer fans who are more familiar with Opeth's more recent albums might immediately stereotype Orchid as generic Gotherburg crap. He wasnt saying that he himself thought that was true. Get it?

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]People have the right to have their own opinion, and if you don't like it, ignore it or dont make such a big deal.... Its as simple as that. I know it's your thread but not every post has to be 100% approving of everything Opeth has released.[/QUOTE]

Not only that, I never posted my opinion originally. I simply said why I thought they didn't play songs off Orchid and Morningrise live. Only when you totally took my post the wrong way and blasted me did I admit that Orchid is not one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]OK. He was saying that some newer fans who are more familiar with Opeth's more recent albums might immediately stereotype Orchid as generic Gotherburg crap. He wasnt saying that he himself thought that was true. Get it?[/QUOTE]


Exactly! That's, say it with me , I G N O R A N T. How the fvck does he or anyone else know what other people think? That's his ignorant opinion. Not to mention it's far fetched. Get with the march and listen to the albums before you try defending strangers on the internet.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Exactly! That's, say it with me , I G N O R A N T. How the fvck does he or anyone else know what other people think? That's his ignorant opinion. Not to mention it's far fetched.[/QUOTE]

Making assumptions doesn't equal ignorance.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Get with the march and listen to the albums before you try defending strangers on the internet.[/QUOTE]

I listen to Opeth every day, and know all their albums quite well.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Not only that, I never posted my opinion originally. I simply said why I thought they didn't play songs off Orchid and Morningrise live. Only when you totally took my post the wrong way and blasted me did I admit that Orchid is not one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]


Make a new account, you're going nowhere. You're not witty or intelligent. You don't know shlt about shlt. You got boned, and there's no coming back from it. You deny posting your [I]Opinion [/I]when saying [B]Orchid is Gothenburg crap??????[/B] wow, gtfoh...throw your keyboard in a lake, please.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Make a new account, you're going nowhere. You're not witty or intelligent. You don't know shlt about shlt. You got boned, and there's no coming back from it. You deny posting your [I]Opinion [/I]when saying [B]Orchid is Gothenburg crap??????[/B] wow, gtfoh...throw your keyboard in a lake, please.[/QUOTE]

You're overreacting. Really. He never said his opinion is that Orchid is Gothenburg crap, how many times do I have to repeat it.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]You're overreacting. Really. He never said his opinion is that Orchid is Gothenburg crap, how many times do I have to repeat it.[/QUOTE]


Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?

[QUOTE=Flynn]Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, just trying to make you realize you're making a fool out of yourself

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]Sorry, just trying to make you realize you're making a fool out of yourself[/QUOTE]


:lol: Don't post my reply, this doesn't concern you. Nevermind, you can post what you want, my bad side ''folder'' has plenty of room. :D

[QUOTE=Flynn]Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?[/QUOTE]

Actually I was trying to end this by letting you speak yourself out.

I never said they were Gothenburg "crap". Many people who I've met regard all Gothenburg as being generic and boring. I said the band may not want those listeners to be put off, as their new sound TO ME sounds nothing like Gothenburg, although TO ME their Orchid album has identifiable traces of it.

I'm sorry if my previous posts offend you, I'm pretty new to this site, and I've said some things I regret saying. Can we please settle this argument amicably?

[QUOTE=toaster135]Actually I was trying to end this by letting you speak yourself out.

I never said they were Gothenburg "crap". Many people who I've met regard all Gothenburg as being generic and boring. I said the band may not want those listeners to be put off, as their new sound TO ME sounds nothing like Gothenburg, although TO ME their Orchid album has identifiable traces of it.

I'm sorry if my previous posts offend you, I'm pretty new to this site, and I've said some things I regret saying. Can we please settle this argument amicably?[/QUOTE]




o......k.
Lets read this one more time:

[QUOTE=toaster135]Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.

They probably forget them, too.[/QUOTE]

I haven't heard of one band where fans didn't like their debut. 90% of the time, the older material means a lot more to the listener. You, my friend are self biased. You should learn how to play music and have feeling for the matter before you make a totally ignorant statement on a music forum. I can now see you have no idea what music is. I'm sorry.:upset:

Flynn, calm the **** down, man. Early Opeth DOES share many characteristics of the Gothenburg sound....and Mikael has repeatedly said in interviews that he got sick of that sound, which is why he himself doesn't like those albums as much. They weren't exactly Gothenburg, but there WERE similarities.

What toaster implied was that a first time listener who has NEVER heard of the band might mistake Orchid/Morningrise material for "Gothenburg crap." He never said that Orchid was crap.

They DO play Morningrise+Orchid songs live, especially "Advent," which gets frequent plays. As far as why they don't play them often...well, the band has released what, 8 albums now...and have been playing that material for years. Maybe they're sick of it. Don't you think you'd get at least a LITTLE tired of playing the same music for 11 years? :rolleyes:

Flynn, why is it that you bash Ghost Reveries at every available opportunity, yet jump on anyones' case whenever he says a negative comment about Orchid?

Mmm..
[i]Mezzanine[/i].

Massive Attack? **** yeah. :cool:

You're derned tootin'!!

/dances

What genre are they? I've heard a lot about them but I'm not familiar with their music.

Trip-Hop, from what I gather.

It's heavy in hip-hop beats, but it's more ambient, kind of.. or... something.
Also, there's some nice lady vocals on Mezzanine, which makes it all the better. It's also much more instrumentally interesting than hip-hop.

Wiki it.

Trip-hop. Think...umm....the electronic influences in Radiohead, maybe? I dunno.....kinda hard to describe. Very trippy and atmospheric. The big single from Mezzanine was "Teardrop," which featured very beautiful female vocals.

I'm just guessing here but..... trip-hop?

EDIT: Beaten :upset:

NP - When. :cool: I haven't given My Arms....it's due.

Neither have I, but I'm lazy and it's Mezzanine time.

It's a damn good album. (applicable to both, actually :p ).

We'll see about that...

/narrows eyes

Flynn, if I see any more of this crap from you I'm gonna report you and you'll get banned. I'm sick of this. I don't know what's gotten into you lately but you'd better can it. The only reason I'm not reporting you in the first place is because I got here after your latest bit of trolling subsided. Chill the hell out and learn how to respect other people's opinions. You can start by explaining YOUR opinion in an amicable manner, instead of your usual claptrap.

[QUOTE]I haven't heard of one band where fans didn't like their debut. 90% of the time, the older material means a lot more to the listener. You, my friend are self biased. You should learn how to play music and have feeling for the matter before you make a totally ignorant statement on a music forum. I can now see you have no idea what music is. I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]

Wait, I just read this. Jesus, he said that he wanted to resolve this amicably, and your response is that?

Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. Don't even listen to him, toaster, you're on the side of right here.

Flynn, tone it down a bit. If it's bad enough for Lucas (the world's nicest person) to complain, then I'd say you'll be verging on a ban unless you are a little more receptive to others in this thread.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva] Lucas (the world's nicest person)[/QUOTE]

:-*

[QUOTE=Cain]Flynn, if I see any more of this crap from you I'm gonna report you and you'll get banned.[/QUOTE]

Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.[/QUOTE]

I'm fairly tolerant of elitism, especially since I post in the black metal thread, but honestly, you have to provide more substance to your opinion.

There is a difference between an elitist who knows his stuff and provides explanation, and an elitist who just flames and states his opinion as fact. I enjoy talking to the former; the latter is treading on thin ice.

I like you as a poster, so please tone down, 'cause I'm not too fond of banning regulars.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.[/QUOTE]

I'm far from mad about that stuff. And believe me, I've read the whole thing. With you it's gone beyond a simple disagreement and has gone to the level of elitist, indiscriminate bashing. In case you haven't noticed, every other regular in the thread is tired of this behavior from you, not just me.