Jazz should almost never be included in any extreme genre lexicon

I get what you're saying though. The label is hard to see as anything other than negative when
1) It's associated with a lame fashion distinction
2) It's associated with bands that generally aren't good. At all.

Still you can't take associations so clearly, I mean, Protest the Hero are often associated with awful, awful bands. I mean ****, they're touring with Devil Wears Prada.

Sometimes associations just have to be ignored when looking at whatever is in question, yknow?

True, and Between The Buried And Me is touring with August Burns Red and Behold...The Arctopus and are soon to be on tour with Dream Theater and Opeth. Another perfect example.

Except Dream Theater and Opeth are actually good...

[QUOTE=FatPete;15583074]i'm all up in your business, all the way to the center of you

meddlecore[/QUOTE]

no one appreciated this play one words?

Well, Opeth is.

It isn't a matter of subjective "goodness", it's an issue of a classification not being justifiably negative via association.

[QUOTE=FatPete;15583351]no one appreciated this play one words?[/QUOTE]

I did, I just didn't want to take this thread off topic as it has a tendency to.

[QUOTE=masscows;15583349]Except Dream Theater and Opeth are actually good...[/QUOTE]

Not really, but that's not really the point either.

[QUOTE=Hbp;15583372]Not really, but that's not really the point either.[/QUOTE]
thus proving

[QUOTE]
It isn't a matter of subjective "goodness", it's an issue of a classification not being justifiably negative via association.[/QUOTE]

Right, that's why I said that's not the point either.

[QUOTE=Hbp;15583376]Right, that's why I said that's not the point either.[/QUOTE]

No I know, I was just re-enforcing your re-enforcement.

I'm in a logical truth and functional logic class, so I'm trying to keep my brain awake between examples

Aright I gotcha :p

when i said new BFMV i meant the new track... =|

anywho i'm quite enjoying new Demon Hunter album(just bought it today)

on a different note, any talk of bringing the DU back?

the DU?

Daily Upload

[QUOTE=encmetalhead;15584031]when i said new BFMV i meant the new track... =|

anywho i'm quite enjoying new Demon Hunter album(just bought it today)

on a different note, any talk of bringing the DU back?[/QUOTE]

No.

[QUOTE=masscows;15583349]Except Dream Theater and Opeth are actually good...[/QUOTE]


Go buy the new between the buried and me cd, listen from front to back, and tell me the band isn't good.... Actually wait, buy either of the 2 cd's before this one and try and say that.

[QUOTE=ThoughtlessThoughts;15584147]Go buy the new between the buried and me cd, listen from front to back, and tell me the band isn't good.... Actually wait, buy either of the 2 cd's before this one and try and say that.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't saying BTBAM isn't good.

[QUOTE=masscows;15584150]I wasn't saying BTBAM isn't good.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I just went through and read that one again, sorry. haha.

ONE QUESTION!!! is As I Lay Dying wat u consider screamo? just because it has religious views in their music? because i have been told by people who i beleive hav a very narrow mind on metal that this band is a crapy scream band and is no where near metal? and sugestions on wat genre they rele fall under?

[QUOTE=masscows;15584150]I wasn't saying BTBAM isn't good.[/QUOTE]



Such would be blasphemy.

And FatPete, that was a good play on words, I just didn't pick it up the first time I read it.

[QUOTE=AsILayDyingfan101;15584308]ONE QUESTION!!! is As I Lay Dying wat u consider screamo? just because it has religious views in their music? because i have been told by people who i beleive hav a very narrow mind on metal that this band is a crapy scream band and is no where near metal? and sugestions on wat genre they rele fall under?[/QUOTE]

...Most people here consider them metalcore, don't have issues with their religion and from what I've read, like them.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;15584315]Such would be blasphemy.

And FatPete, that was a good play on words, I just didn't pick it up the first time I read it.



...Most people here consider them metalcore, don't have issues with their religion and from what I've read, like them.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU!!! it really urged me to find this out when a person who says knows almost everything about metal said they were a shitty screamo band

Well then that person is an idiot who doesn't seem to know much about metal because As I Lay Dying are one of the frontrunners of the metalcore scene.

[QUOTE=illpressureurhinges1;15584362]Well then that person is an idiot who doesn't seem to know much about metal because As I Lay Dying are one of the frontrunners of the metalcore scene.[/QUOTE]

Prettymuch.

[QUOTE=illpressureurhinges1;15584362]Well then that person is an idiot who doesn't seem to know much about metal because As I Lay Dying are one of the frontrunners of the metalcore scene.[/QUOTE]

i no i even told this person that metal blade would not hav even picked them if they werent metal

Just don't take music advice from that person ever again.

[QUOTE=illpressureurhinges1;15584384]Just don't take music advice from that person ever again.[/QUOTE]

Prettymuch.

[quote=AsILayDyingfan101;15584370]i no i even told this person that metal blade would not hav even picked them if they werent metal[/quote]

Yes they would have but that's besides the point.

Metal Blade is a major label; they will sign anything they think will sell albums, just like any other major label.

Alaska is my favorite album from them.

[QUOTE=illpressureurhinges1;15584384]Just don't take music advice from that person ever again.[/QUOTE]

lol cant now neway she blocked me just bcuz i said she has a narrow mind on metal and how many genres their is

No offense but I would probably block you too, judging from your grammar, spelling, and overall posting thus far.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15583307]Most see it as a little of both but I'd say it's a sound thing, even if it is pulled from aesthetic.[/QUOTE]
The Number 12 is way too melodic to even be considered scenegrind.