Like um or not, If you listen to metal you respect Metallica. They set the bar. Before it was Black Sabbath back then who basically was the **** that everyone listened to and the Metallica came in with a different sound and after awhile just blew top bands away like Van Halen, Metallica became the spotlight, and blew away up and comming bands trying to rise up like Armored Saint, that right there you must respect. People now-a-days don't appreciate ****. They'd rather listen to that nu-metal crap and death metal which is just a ****ing joke because nothing is original. But the thing is its funny that all the bands that you people listen to now, Respect Metallica, but yet moron people like Dooflungerfletchface say "Metallica's gay" What kind of **** is that? Dude your gay, let that be the last post you make.

Metallica did things that have been amazing to say the least. How many bands can play with a ****ing orchestra? Thats just ****ing awesome, like it or not. Personnally i wouldn't blast it out my car hearing Master Of Puppets and hearing violens in the back ground. But the point is I admire what they did. A lot of the greatest guitarists litened to classical and were ****ing awesome, Prime example, Randy Rhoads. YOU have to respect what they did with that, instead of it being gay.

How many ****ing hit songs did Metallica make??? Almost all of them are catchy as ****. amaore Great than satisfactory. I don't thing any of their songs is "bad", but satisfactory. The thing I admire most about them is that they always came back. After cliff passed, they came back. Drug and drinking problems, they came back. Look at the history of problems they had. They held together through Front Man James Hetfield. No other band in my opinion is as strong as Metallica, because no band has hung in there like they did and create such a ****ing Inlfuence from bands all over the world. James is a ****ing strong dude, with a take no prisoners attitude. Tell me what person that has been able to go through all that **** and still be ****ing standing tall.James held things together. The guy even pushed himself to sing so Metallica wouldn't fall apart. You gotta admire him. No other person could do that. Everytime people counted metallica out, they came back. So for people to open their mouth about Metallica is ****ing ridiculous. Get facts before you open your mouth and start bashing. People talk **** about them and yet some people don't even know anything about them, Because if anyone did know them because they've been a big root of Metals History, no comments would ever be made. You can't talk **** about a ****ing Icon band whose made hit after hit. Baodegoth said it great with the changing. Bottom Line, Metallica is #1 and thats no longer an opinion.

This thread has been awesome. Its not running out of steam. Lets keep it goin.

I don't like Metallica... their songs are just too simple and emotionless. I can see why they are so famous since their songs are catchy and are easy to relate too, but they are better at marketing than they are at playing. Metallica is just pop-metal ;)

-Damien

[QUOTE=Six String Fiend]I don't like Metallica... their songs are just too simple and emotionless. I can see why they are so famous since their songs are catchy and are easy to relate too, but they are better at marketing than they are at playing. Metallica is just pop-metal ;)

-Damien[/QUOTE]


Dude your a ****ing moron. Your like a ****ing parasite that i'm not even going to waste my time with. Obviously you know nothing about music and is jsut talking out of your ***. Simple and emotionless?? How much more of a dumbass *** can you get? Every line you've typed in more ridiculous and stupid than the other. Go to death metal where all the other ****ing people with no sign of intelligence go. Pop metal? give me a break......

you ****in rock redoutlaw, i agree with everything you have said. I ****in hate death metal, sure some bands like opeth are ok, but the gay oo look at me im bad i worship satan and talk about killing myself, just gets annoying and stupid. and all the singer have to sing like they are satan asw ell, what the **** is that. Im hoping that me and my band could ever make it big, to bring back the good versatile metal that metallica is. Heavy, Fast, Slow, Melodic. Metallica does all those things, and thats one of the things that makes them the best. Go listen to you goodcharlotte six string fiend, because im sure that lyrics about ur gf dumping you, and girls sucking, are full of emotions... asshole

p.s. Kirk bring back the solo's!

[QUOTE=Six String Fiend]I don't like Metallica... their songs are just too simple and emotionless. I can see why they are so famous since their songs are catchy and are easy to relate too, but they are better at marketing than they are at playing. Metallica is just pop-metal ;)

-Damien[/QUOTE]

i might as well flame you too...3 people should do you justice.

you dont know what you are talking about. chances are, whatever you listen to, your a poser and a follower, listening to whatever your friends do, saying metallica sucks because all you have heard is st. anger. your a fool. leave this thread, and dont let the door hit you on the way out. bye bye now.. :wave:

that guy dissing metallica has got to be one of the dumbest people I've seen on here...that's really sad. Emotionless?! Ha! I pity the fool! Especially if he ever finds himself in a dark alley with a couple of tallica fans..hehe

or he finds himself in a dark alley with the band...

Hello!

I started a thread a long time ago and it got a really good response. I thought that sense the thread has dissapeared I would post it hear to preserve it. Sorry it's so long!

[B]Are Metallica really becoming sold-out, nu-metal **** heads?? [/B]

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Everyone around here apparently knows everything about metallica, how bad they are, and the reasons they suck. I'm glad you have an opinion, but many of you say biased things with no support behind it. So I would like to clarify some things so that we can finally really get down to the music.

[B]They sold out [/B]
Metallica and every other band in the world has apparently sold their soul to corporate america. Metallica is coming out with a video game and a documentary on themselves within the next couple of years, and of course, they are not allowed to do that because you don't like it. My take on these things is that they do it because they can. If you had the oppurtunity to make a videogame how you liked it, with you in it, would you pass up the oppurtunity?
And then, oh god, they changed their style to fit in with THE music today. That makes no sense, they did it because they felt like playing different music. They had no need to do that AND JUSTICE was in the top 10 and THE BLACK ALBUM was number 1. They are doing what they feel like doing. They aren't trying to please you, they are trying to please their fans, and if you don't like it you aren't a fan, they aren't worried about you.


[B]They are *** holes [/B]
I've heard people say this, and I have no idea where they thought of this one. If you have ever seen an interview or anything with any member of metallica, you would see that they are nice people who really care about what they are doing. They tour constantly and do many things for their fans which they are very recognized for. They say thank you and show deep appreciation at all their concerts. They have done 3 gigs in one day and are touring endlessly. Sure, right now you are putting the "sold out" label on them right now, because all they are doing is trying to make money right? Wrong! They have done many free gigs just to play. For example: They did a surprise gig at a tailgate party for the oakland raiders to support the team. Back during the black album era, they would play 4 hours every night, and trust me, they didn't have to do that, they aren't paid by the hour. At a concert a few years ago, James Hetfield was sick, so all the opening acts came out and jammed with the band, and then they gave everyone free tickets to another show. They certainly care about what they are doing.


[B]The napster incident[/B]
When this happened, I questioned it myself. And everyone gave lars a ridiculously hard time for it. But really he did it for a good reason, and I think I can prove it with this.

If you would please read this, it shows Lars' argument to the senate about Napster.
[url]http://metallica.com/index.asp?item=514[/url]

This is part of Napster's response to the settlement
[url]http://metallica.com/index.asp?item=502[/url]


[B]They are nu-metal [/B]
Everyone says that St. Anger is nu-metal. It has tuned down guitars, and every once in a while they play some chunky riff, and oh god, no solos. First off, they did try to put solos on the album, but it didn't sound right with what they wrote, so they decided not to. There are actually, very many, fast, old school riffs on this album. Sure there is some wierd stuff that I don't like, but what nu-metal band makes the majority of their songs 8 minutes long with no turntable and only 1 lead singer. I've not once heard them say they are nu-metal, or have any desire to be. And they have definitely gotten back to their roots to, this is their setlist on the summer sanitarium:

Battery
Master of Puppets
Harvester of Sorrow
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Frantic
Sad But True
St. Anger
No Remorse
Seek and Destroy
Blackened
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Fuel
Nothing Else Matters
Creeping Death
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One
Enter Sandman




All in all I am just trying to clear things up. Now maybe some of you will give reason for why say you things. You have every reason to not like their music, but don't make yourself look like an idiot. Whenever you criticise another band, say something you know is true and maybe someone will actually listen to what you have to say!

[QUOTE=Squirrel_h4x]Garage Inc' - The Wait = AWESOME song.[/QUOTE]
s&m - hero of the day = awesome too

[QUOTE=seniledrummer]Hello!

[B]They are nu-metal [/B]
Everyone says that St. Anger is nu-metal. It has tuned down guitars, and every once in a while they play some chunky riff, and oh god, no solos. First off, they did try to put solos on the album, but it didn't sound right with what they wrote, so they decided not to. There are actually, very many, fast, old school riffs on this album. Sure there is some wierd stuff that I don't like, but what nu-metal band makes the majority of their songs 8 minutes long with no turntable and only 1 lead singer. I've not once heard them say they are nu-metal, or have any desire to be. [/QUOTE]

Why does everyone moan about St Anger being nu-metal? So many people whinge about it, but, isn't it the best nu-metal you have ever heard? :thumb:

[I]seniledrummer[/I] your my ****ing hero! :p i agree w/ everything you've said, but ppl will keep saying that they're gay or soldout or whatever they're calling them these days...so they're soldouts 'cuz they changed their sound? i'm wondering what would ppl call them if the'd still have the same sound after more than 20 years... i'm beting it would be something like "oh dude 'tallica sucks cuz they have a formula and don't want to change it..."...so whatever f*** you! .|.

[QUOTE=Dooflungerfletchface]Metallica is gay[/QUOTE]
EAT SH!T YOU FUKIN PIECE OF CUM SUCKING A$$HOLE! THEY ARE GAY, HUH? THEY ARE ONLY THE MOST SUCCESSFUL METAL BAND OF ALL TIME AND COULD OWN ANY OF YOUR FAVORITE BANDS.
FUK YOU PIECE OF SH!T

senile drummer just owned all of the metallica haters.

i dont care what senile drummer wrote, i like metallica, but its impossible for me to listen to st anger. i havent listened to it once without getting a headache. the songs are the same riffs over and over, the same repeating lyrics, its the most boring album ive ever heard, and i own feeder's colour in sound.

'oooooooohh, what a good boy you are', and 'PROJECTOR!!! REFLECTOR!!!! INFECTOR!!!! INJECTOR, PROJECTOR REFRACTOR DEFLECTOR!!!!.'
those 2 lines alone convinced me never to listen to this cd again.

You guys all need to calm down and realize something:

NOBODY IS ROOTING FOR METALLICA TO SUCK

I swear, nobody listens sometimes. Bands progress, yes, it happens. Sometimes they progress in a BAD way (Rush after 1990, Pantera after Trendkill, Black Sabbath, new Slayer aint what it used to be).

You guys all think it's a big conspiracy against Metallica, like people think Metallica isn't cool anymore. Gee, lets hate on Metallica for absolutely no reason. I'm sure there are some idiots who do that, but the majority of people--gasp--actually truly dislike their modern music. I know, call us crazy.

You guys preach about "the best selling metal band of all time." Let me ask you something, who do you think made them that?

I did. So did you.

Every fan who bought an album made them successful. Personally, I stopped buying after the Black album, but some didn't. Why did I stop? I wasn't liking the music anymore. Call me crazy, but I tend to enjoy music with my ears and my mind. You guys sometimes refuse to hear ANYTHING negative about Metallica AT ALL. You go back to the same arguments, over and over again, trying to make things up to justify a flaw instead of just agreeing and admiting they aren't perfect. Example: I've heard people say there are no solos in St. Anger because "Kirk has done all he needs to do and doesn't need to prove anything to anybody." Uh, yeah, thats total BS. Do sprinters stop running after they hit their best time? Do they hang up their best shoes and JOG for the rest of their lives? Hell no. So please, lets never hear that argument again. Maybe he didn't WANT to do solos. Fine. Thats valid, but I'm gonna call him a lazy sod in that case. However, it's still a valid reason. But notice something: people want solos. We WANT good Metallica. Another example: People who blindly appreciate anything such as a BLOODY ANNOYING snare choice that Lars made for St. Anger. Speaking for myself, that was the FIRST thing I noticed on the song, and I literally said "what the fvck?" Many people share this opinion with me. But theres always one person to go "Lars is the best, that snare was so original, it sounded so good, etc." No. You may have liked it, but it didn't fit the music, period. Lars can play with a bat on a beer keg (poking fun at slipknot) if he wants do, but that doesn't make it sound good. I've never seen Lars as that good of a drummer anyways. Listen to any old Metallica, Slayer, or Sepultura recordings. If you can honestly tell me you don't think Igor Cavalera or Dave Lombardo blow Lars away, I'd be surprised. I'm not trying to turn this into a bash, I'm just making a point.

I'm going to use a comparison to Slayer, because in their early days there was a bit of a rivalry going on (not helped by the fact that Kerry King once called Kirk Hammett the most overrated guitarist in the world). Slayer has not CONSIDERABLY changed their sound since Reign in Blood. They've evolved a bit, yes, but that comes with the times/technology. And yes, there are MANY, MANY people who hate on Slayer these days because the new stuff isn't exactly the same as the old stuff. But Slayer never really compromised the sound they wanted to play. They still have retained a great deal of their original fan base (and thats a feat). I don't see a Slayer video game on the horizon anytime soon. Now don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Metallica is a "sell out" band. They've changed their sound from thrash to be ALOT more radio friendly. If they did it of their own accord, because thats what they want to be/play, then thats fine. You can't accuse them of selling out, because as a radio band, fame/fortune just comes with the territory. It's natural. It's possible that they said "hey, screw making thrash, lets make some happier, melodic stuff so we can get radio play and be rich and famous." It could have happened. BUT YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT unless your name is James, Lars, or Kirk. I don't count Jason because by the time he joined the transition had begun. Nobody can say for sure their motives behind their sound change. That isn't the point. The point is, it happened, and it had two effects:

a) it alienated alot of their older fans who didn't want to hear more melodic, catchy songs
b) it attracted a newer fan base who weren't into the faster, thrashy stuff.

The entire argument about what genre they are? Completely idiotic. Personally, I think people who have to create a hundred sub-genres to classify everything are organizational nazis, but thats my opinion. The people who say Metallica aren't metal or are nu-metal are simply metal elitetists who don't want a radio band tarnishing their sacred genre. I don't really see how anyone can call them "nu" metal when they helped to define the entire metal genre. You can't deny their contribution to heavy music.

Metallica can play whatever music they want. They can make polka albums. It's their band and their decision. But you people really have to lighten up a bit and see things from a completely neutral point of view. Metallica was my favorite band at one point, but I always have the decisiveness to say what I like and what I don't like, and why. I think alot of you guys even lie to yourselves--its easy to see when you struggle to fabricate a justification for a blatently obvious point.

Nobody can knock you for liking a band. But you have to be man (or woman) enough to roll with the punches taken at the band. You have to see the good AND the bad. I can't think of any band in the world that has no faults, or has put out no bad songs. WE ALL WANT GOOD METALLICA, that is the bottom line. You guys just have no realize nobody is hating on St. Anger because its "new" or "it doesn't sound like the old stuff." They could have put out a crappy thrash album too. The point is (and at least most people admit) it wasn't a great album.

I know this was long as fvck, but I'm high and felt like ranting. All my points were rational, so if you wish to respond, please do so in a rational manner.

Thanks.

that's a pretty good post. I read all of it and respect your opinions

what does everyone think of this metallica line-up:

James on vocals & rhythm
dave on lead
cliff on bass
and lars on drums

???

[QUOTE=chimairaforlife]So lets make this a cool metallica thread, were EVERYTHING is allowed. You can flame, talk about how much you love st anger, your fvorite solos, everything....this will be like the death heads thread (4500+) and everything death goes in it...
this is the same idea. i mean, **** there aren't that many death threads, and they ahve a sprecial thread, so wouldn't it make alot more sense to have a metallica Offical thread.[/QUOTE]



MY FAVORITE SOLO IS...... ALL....BUT SPECIALLY SHOREST STRAW S AND BLEDING ME S AND ONE S AND BLACKNED S :thumb:

Metallica sucks, they are horriffic. Hammet is the most overrated guitarist in the world and can suck my d1ck for all i care. Lars is the worst drummer i have ever heard, how about finding some rythym sweetcheeks, huh?? They suck and i hate all you a55holes who like them. You are all trendies trying to fit in and be "hardcore" well listen, Metallica is dead, they are gone, try listening to something good like Aerosmith or Guns N' Roses

FVCK Metallica and all you losers who like them

Paraniodd, read the whole thing. Great post.

Metallica still sucks

[QUOTE=metalmania13]Metallica sucks, they are horriffic. Hammet is the most overrated guitarist in the world and can suck my d1ck for all i care. Lars is the worst drummer i have ever heard, how about finding some rythym sweetcheeks, huh?? They suck and i hate all you a55holes who like them. You are all trendies trying to fit in and be "hardcore" well listen, Metallica is dead, they are gone, try listening to something good like Aerosmith or Guns N' Roses

FVCK Metallica and all you losers who like them[/QUOTE]

Wow buddy. Hey, whens the last time GNR put an album out ? Oh wait, talk about being dead. And the last album Aerosmith put out, was a compilation of blues covers.
Out of the three bands mentioned in this thread whos still touring ? MetallicA, now tell me whos dead. Dont get me wrong, i love Aerosmith. GNR is alright.
How does MetallicA suck ? You only gave two examples, and they arent even valid. They are just an opinion. Hammet is overrated ? Sure lots of people say that hes really great, but THE most overrated guitarist in the world ? How so ?
And what makes Lars so bad ?You just made a very general staement about him sucking. I dont think he sucks. There thats my opinion, so it must be true, right ?
Oh, and your comment about us listening to MetallicA to be hardcore, i havent laughed like that in a while thank you. Whats so funny is that Guns N' Roses, and Aerosmith are in the next sentence. Congrats on making yourself look like a dip5hit.

Hands Down
 

Man Metallica Rocks Hands down. No arguement.

metallica Rocks..lol thought it was funny how that dude who just bashed metallica has a beavis and butthead icon and isnt one of them wearing a metallica shirt? - ENouGh Said... I love all theyre stuff- even anger-- Its pretty heavy i think- its missing solos tho-- with rob in the group theyll have a good bass player for the next cd... They need to bring back the solos but keep the long songs- and maybe try a new producer... maybe even try harder on the lyrics even though i like alot of angers meaning - sometimes the lyrics got lame. SKM ep out this upcomming tuesday! I cant wait, gonna get it! Rockon peeps peaceout

You sound like a really cool dude. ^

What Paranoidd said is as good as it gets. Great post bro. 1st off Kirk Hammet is not overrated. Try listining to every solo the guy has done. They blend so well with the song the majority of the time. Thats why hees rated the way he is, because he can ****ing play guitar thats a fact.

I still don't think St.Anger was that bad of an album, the ****ing thing still hit #1. Personnally i don't refuse to hear anything negative about Metallica. Its just that the negativity that Metallica recieves ultimtelty goes down the ****ter because Metallica has more positives that make it seem that the negatives don't exist. I'm not saying their perfect, but they've been more perfect than a lot of bands have been. I'm not here to justify anything, its just a mere fact if you analzye everything. Metallica played their card right and mostly everything they did raised the bar for other bands and turned to gold. Metallica is going to do what they are going to do and thats it. They are them and they do what they want, thats why they made St.Anger, they did if for them. Metallica has never been about the money, and the Napster thing, that was about principle. As far as Metallica changing their style just for more money and radio ****?? Give me a ****ing break..... They have so much ****ing money that they don't need to do that. They play and do what they want because they want to period.

I do roll with the punches. If you say that James didn't have that great of a voice on kill em all and ride the lightning then i'd agree. But truly there is nothing bad to say about them. Nothing at all. Then people come out with this stupid thing,,,, ST.ANGER, ST.ANGER LOOK AT ST.ANGER,,, give me a ****ing break. You can't just be along with those guys for that long and just jump shipp like that. Thats bull****.Tell me what band has always made an up to the always everyday peoples expectations of great? No band has. To be honest, i refuse to say St.Anger was a bad album because it wasnt. Who really has took the time to hear it all? And i never read anything lyrics for James Hetfield that weren't meaningfull and greatly written. All of his songs have meaning, thats what makes him stand out from everyone. His writting.No person as made more of a meaningful song than Nothing Else Matters.James worte about how people feel everyday and how you wish you could express the way you feel, and James did that. You guys also have to realize that people get older. Metallica arn't little kids anymore. Things change when you get older and wiser and with that everything changes. The guys are just smart talented people. I'm not in denial with anything, theese are facts.

Even if you don't like their music so ****ing what. It doesn't mean that they suck because they don't. Its your opinion of your music. Metallica doesn't suck. This St.Anger album makes me remember when Metallica 1st started. People hated their sound, then people got used to it and it changed everything. Just like St.Anger, its different. It doesn't suck, it's different. Unless you are there day in and day out doing what they were doing to make St.Anger, shut up. People don't even know what it takes to make an album, nether-the-less a good album. And for what James did with rehabb and getting a new bassist, it took a lot of guts a ****ing balls. People expected metallica to be through, and they came and made an album for THEMSELEVES. Whatever metallica makes, from now till their done playing will be whatever it is. It can be a St.Anger part 2 or whatever the hell they want. You guys should respect them, because fankly they have done it all.

Don't say they suck, because they don't. Noone else has done what they've done... No one. They are not selfish, they are not *** holes and they are not full of themselves. Never heard one time where any of the members talked about them being so ****ing awesome. They showed they were great by picking up the guitar and playing. But for people to ****ing talk trash and disrespect them is ****ing ridiclious. People might do it for attention or they might do it because their naturally morons. Regardless of different strokes for diffrent folks crap, they impacted metal tremendously, with that said should people be talking crap about them? It's always easy to talk crap about people who are #1. When your on top every one wants to bring you down.

St.Anger was made almost 2 years ago and people are still talking ****. Its shamefull and pathetic. Besides St.Anger was way much better than ****ing crap music that today is. What is today now? Jet?? ****ing death metal crap? Nu-metal? Is horrific, and terrible. How they hell do bands like that get a record label?? And yet people still have the audacity to talk crap about St.Anger?? Give me a break. Thats so hypocritical. Metal sucks right now period. I take St.Anger anyday of the week because at leat it has meaning.

The thing you have to give credit of Metallica for, is that they are ****ing original. Metal bands today arn't original... they are crap, its all the same. Its a fact. It takes more skill to play all of St.Anger songs compared to the death metal and new metal crap now. Metallica is ****ing #1 and for a reason. They are that **** GOOD. Only band that i give credit to for hanging on to the roots is Black Label Society, listen to what Zakk Wylde has to say about the bands now.

It's true people don't even probably know scales, all Barr Chords pure ****ing Barr Chords.. WOW pure skill,,,, "WOW look at me i'm dressing as if i'm from hell, i'm bruning crosses, i'm bad *** now, I can sing like i'm taking a ****, i don't know what the hell i'm saying but all of you dumb asses like it and i get paid for it."

And people say metallica sucks?? Give me a ****ing break. Every post i've made on this thread has been a fact. Try reading some if you havn't. All i have to say is that at least St.Anger was original, and thats more than half the bands out there can say. Metallica has carried this ****ing torch for a long time, its disgusting to see people try and knock them down. Next time you dis metallica, check to see if any of you have done anything like they have, Made the best selling metal album, Created the best Metal riff, or even then, sell millions of copys and become multi-millionaires. Look at yourselfves before you open your mouths. Especially if you play in a band. Because it takes a lot of hard work and sacrifice, and metallica has done it all. Respect that.

Take what I said for what it's worth. At least myself I can say i know the truth.

[QUOTE]Even if you don't like their music so ****ing what. It doesn't mean that they suck because they don't. It’s your opinion of your music. Metallica doesn't suck. [/QUOTE]

So? Even if you like their music so ****ing what? It doesn't mean they don't suck because musical taste is subjective. It's your opinion of you music.

Look, no band 'sucks' or 'doesn't suck' on a universal scale because they're exists no universal scale for judging music, only individual ones.

that guys cool . i cant help but respect aguy who loves every album by met

[QUOTE=Hitroshimite]So? Even if you like their music so ****ing what? It doesn't mean they don't suck because musical taste is subjective. It's your opinion of you music.

Look, no band 'sucks' or 'doesn't suck' on a universal scale because they're exists no universal scale for judging music, only individual ones.[/QUOTE]


Dude obviously you didn't read about what i was saying. I was inferring to their accomplishments. Read carefully before making smart *** comments.

Metallica sucks, and Hammet is probably gay