[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass]^ Like I said, this is why I go religiously here.

The Constitution provides [I]Habeas Corpus[/I], the right to a fair trial. Yes, it's not 100% accurate, but it's based on evidence. Evidence doesn't lie, and with our scientific and crimianl advancements (crime labs, etc.), the evidence is much more accurate, compelling, "truthful." Even if the death penalty isn't instituted, the odds are still the same: there is an equal chance of a wrongful conviction.

I don't support the death penalty in real life. If asked to vote I'd be against it. I'm just trying to take the opposing position here. :p

I agree with you BV, but let's keep debating.

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-Gav[/QUOTE]
Evidence is not always accurate. Witnesses will not always give the same story twice. The story gets twisted because the brain will not necessarily remember every single detail about what they saw. Stories get twisted, they may not be lies, but they are not always the truth.
Witness evidence is not always very reliable.
DNA testing is the closest way to get the truth if the culprit leaves evidence that they were there, but, again, it will not always give you the true identity of the criminal. What if there is some sort of DNA found on the person from somebody that they knew? That person didn't necessarily commit the crime.

Uhh, Gay Marriage?

Yay or nay?

Gay marriage, yay. :naughty:

Again, I'm mixed.

The main reason gays want to be married is for the benefits, which is understandable. Being married doesn't remove some metaphysical barrier and allow you to love more.

I think we should begin a new program for homosexual couples that provides THE EXACT SAME benefits to married couples, but it won't be in the Church, since the Church is against homosexuality. Why celebrate something in an establishment that that establishment condemns as evil?

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-Gav

Marriage licenses are Federal though, they are valid all over the country. If a church won't marry then that is the church's choice, but why should the government say no?

gay marryage, yay. let them do what they want it isn't affecting me in anyway.

But it's not like gays choose to be gay.
What makes it evil?
If man is created in God's image, some people are gay, some people are straight, maybe, if God were a living being, He would be a bisexual?

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]Marriage licenses are Federal though, they are valid all over the country. If a church won't marry then that is the church's choice, but why should the government say no?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree. The government should allow it. "With liberty and justice for all," right? :rolleyes: :p

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-Gav

^ nice!!! i love it. ha ha yes!

i just dont understand what is going on it a gay's mind. im not saying its anything evil or bad, i just wonder what are the actions that make them like the same sex. all i have to say is that gilrs have boobs.............and i like boobs. i rest my case :lol:

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]But it's not like gays choose to be gay.
What makes it evil?
If man is created in God's image, some people are gay, some people are straight, maybe, if God were a living being, He would be a bisexual?[/QUOTE]

I was afraid people would ask this.

God is not heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. He is God.

I can't answer the question...sorry. :p

I admit, it's a difficult question. Just like this; "Can God make a rock so large that he could not lift it?"

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-Gav

Homosexuals don't choose to like the same sex, just like heterosexuals don't choose to like the opposite sex, everyone is just born the way they are.

from a physics stand point the idea opf god is impossible becuase it would take and infinate amount of energy to create the universe and nothing has infinate energy. thats how i justify not beleiveing in god. its just too impractical for me. and just saying "he can because he is god" means absolutely nothing to me.

^ Yeah, I know. I can't answer the question. Ask a doctor of theology or a priest. Answers may vary. :p

I'm off to bed. Later MX. Always a pleasure. :wave:

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-Gav

Goodnight Gav!

I always think about that question, the only thing I can come up with is:
The human mind can only fathom 2 possible results from this question. Either god can make a rock like that, and prove he isn't infallable, or not make the rock and prove he isn't perfect. The only explanation I can come up with is, what if there is a 3rd option we can't possibly comprehend with. As humans, wouldn't it make sense for God to leave out a part of reality? The part of reality that solves the impossible?

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]Homosexuals don't choose to like the same sex, just like heterosexuals don't choose to like the opposite sex, everyone is just born the way they are.[/QUOTE]
yeah, im just interested in what the reason is. i really dont know.

Gav, seeing as you are Catholic, I've got a question for you.
Creationism or evolution?

Personally, I do not believe in God and evolution is becoming more and more scientifically proven all the time, but, I know some people still don't believe it.
How about you?

[QUOTE=irishslappop]from a physics stand point the idea opf god is impossible becuase it would take and infinate amount of energy to create the universe and nothing has infinate energy. thats how i justify not beleiveing in god. its just too impractical for me. and just saying "he can because he is god" means absolutely nothing to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I won't respond like I normally would. I used to think like that, too (I'm Mr. MX Science Nerd, you know. :p). Then, after Church one day, I talked to the priest and he really clarified it for me. I won't attempt to try, because he was just amazing and I'll butcher it. :p

But I LOVE science...;). I consider science man unlocking how God made the universe.

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-Gav

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]I always think about that question, the only thing I can come up with is:
The human mind can only fathom 2 possible results from this question. Either god can make a rock like that, and prove he isn't infallable, or not make the rock and prove he isn't perfect. The only explanation I can come up with is, what if there is a 3rd option we can't possibly comprehend with. As humans, wouldn't it make sense for God to leave out a part of reality? The part of reality that solves the impossible?[/QUOTE]

Holy ****, you're a genius. You could definitely look at it that way. It's just like how God doesn't tell us exactly why we're here. He just tells us to do good and treat everyone like your brother and sister.

BV, You get 10 GPs, the most I've ever given out to any single post. :amaze:

I love you, BV.

LATER! :wave:

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-Gav

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso] God to leave out a part of reality? The part of reality that solves the impossible?[/QUOTE]
if he/she/it did i would hate him/her/it

It makes perfect sense. Why won't God reveal himself? The same reason impossibility was created. If humans had the capacity to solve this equation, it would prove or disprove God. Some things are temporarily impossible, like how a person can murder someone when they are at the other side of the world. These may not be impossible for long, because technology can solve these kind of impossibilities. True impossibility lies in the philosophical and physchological vacinity, where technology can not solve it, by any means. No slight of hand or loophole can solve the mystery of impossiblity. What if a man were to know everything? He would know everything that exists and everything that does not exist, thus proving or disproving God. If God is disproved, only chaos could occur. There would be no order. If God was proved, there would also be chaos. Constant spying and invasions of privacy, just to be the one to go to heaven, just to be more likely to ascend than your fellow neighbor. God forsaw this and created impossibility. God is basically looking at the human soul, the human spirit, the human mind and saying "When you count to the highest number I will reveal the secret of impossibility."

That argument just says that God exists, but He doesn't want anyone to know for sure that He does or does not exist.

but impossiblity is ever changing and has a huge series of variables to it. there is no definition for what is impossible and what is possible. like this physical example. it is impossible, with the physical properties given to it for a dog to speak any human language. but wait. 9823749823 years from now, who knows, maybe dog could have evolved the physical properties to talk, ans think abstractly as humans do. what was previously impossible is now possible.

but i like your theory, probably the most convicing god theory i have ever heard to tell you the truth. but i still dont beleive in go untill i see him standing right infront of me, or playing halo 2 or walking down the side walk. there are too many variables in the equation for me to blindly have faith in him. i guess it's cause i'm just to mathematical, but then again gav is good at math and physics and stuff too and he is religious.

/end ramble

As I am currently taking a philosophy class, we are learning about critical thinking and critical analysis, and this involves being able to look an argument and a conclusion that someone has drawn, and be able to trace it back and find any faulty logic in the argument.

So there is one thing that every argument trying to prove God's existence is missing... evidence! All arguments lose any merit they had when there is no fact, no truth, and no evidence. There is not sufficient evidence to prove that there is a God.

People just make inferences such as, "This universe didn't come out of nowhere, God, an almighty being, invented it." However, there is no fact, it's just a conclusion that is drawn because of the way things are, and this would explain it.

^ not to mention the acuall physical parameters that would have to take play for anyone being to create the universe from nothing, ive said it a couple times already. it would take an inifate amount of energy to create the universe, the big bang isa resonable explination in my opinion. the idea that one almighty being has infinite amount of energy doesnt make sence to me.

My question is not "Why are we here?"
My question is "How did we get here?"

The planets themselves are understandable enough on a very broad level, but the universe itself, how did it come to be?

It sucks that we'll never know.

well if god exsisted and wasn't an ******* he'd tell us :lol:

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I think you just won the debate. :thumb:

w00t rep for me. t3h LoLzors.

I'm off to the sleep room now.
So long everybody.

night

so did anyone do anything special today?

'lo everybody.

lo saitoku
I drove around 4 others in my car today, and wasted a lot of gas. I guess that was special.

hi.

I'm bored as hell.

I feel like I'm in a creative rut right now.

Hey guys.

I changed my avatar.

Yeehaw.

Ride em cowboy!

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mx.