[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582403]Maybe for some people, but I doubt it's gonna make a difference to Saddam.

I suppose they could always remove his hands and feet and bind him to a wall in a room with no sunlight.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not, but I don't think anything justifies killing.

Doesn't matter. It's in his rights (the rights he is supposed to have since he is being trialed in the US. If he doesn't have them, then the wholw thing is very silly; if he didn't commit the crime he is being trialed for, he's not supposed to be given any penalty. It's like crossing the border).

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582436]Maybe not, but I don't think anything justifies killing.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don't know if there's nothing that justifies killing, but a great deal of stuff doesn't. I'd be more in favour of solitary confinement and/or some sort of wicked physical mutilation.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582413]For all who do not know:

People being sentenced to their deathbeds CHOOSE their way of dying, it being either hanging, injection, beheading (I think it's still on there), etc. Y ou could even choose who you want to be hanged by.

No electric chairs, though.[/QUOTE]

So I could be hung by, say, Millard Fillmore's closest living relative if I so wished?

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582449]Doesn't matter. It's in his rights (the rights he is supposed to have since he is being trialed in the US. If he doesn't have them, then the wholw thing is very silly; if he didn't commit the crime he is being trialed for, he's not supposed to be given any penalty. It's like crossing the border).[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure he's being tried in Iraq, not the USA.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582389]I think that death is the absolute last option. Lifelong imprisonment in some ****hole would be a more sobering punishment in my eyes anyway.[/QUOTE]

Lifelong imprisonment is too expensive. Why the hell would we want to [i]pay[/i] to keep him alive.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582449]Doesn't matter. It's in his rights (the rights he is supposed to have since he is being trialed in the US. If he doesn't have them, then the wholw thing is very silly; if he didn't commit the crime he is being trialed for, he's not supposed to be given any penalty. It's like crossing the border).[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, I didn't know that.

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson;13582462]Lifelong imprisonment is too expensive. Why the hell would we want to [i]pay[/i] to keep him alive.[/QUOTE]

...
You do realize that with the current appeals system, the death penalty ends up being [I]more[/I] expensive than lifelong imprisonment, right?

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon;13582458]So I could be hung by, say, Millard Fillmore's closest living relative if I so wished?[/QUOTE]

Or by David Copperfield, doing his new dissapearing act.

SUpposedly, a "good" hanger can hang you without you feeling anything. He takes measures and physics and crap into consideration. Really.

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson;13582462]Lifelong imprisonment is too expensive. Why the hell would we want to [i]pay[/i] to keep him alive.[/QUOTE]

My philosophy is that death should not be cause by anyone intentionally. No matter what.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582449]Doesn't matter. It's in his rights (the rights he is supposed to have since he is being trialed in the US. If he doesn't have them, then the wholw thing is very silly; if he didn't commit the crime he is being trialed for, he's not supposed to be given any penalty. It's like crossing the border).[/QUOTE]

Except he's being tried by an Iraqi court.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582482]My philosophy is that death should not be cause by anyone intentionally. No matter what.[/QUOTE]

*Stab*
*Teabag*
What?

[QUOTE=Ting;13582490]*Stab*
*Teabag*
What?[/QUOTE]

...sigh
Nevermind, go ahead.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582472]Hmmm, I didn't know that.[/QUOTE]

My History teacher told me it's something that's done commonly. There is one thing I don't know. If there is a right that says you CAN choose, or if they are simply going by the Tenth Amendment (or is it ninth?) of the Bill of Rights (all things not spoken of in the Bill of Rights or Constitution are rights of the people and the state).

[QUOTE=Akira;13582486]Except he's being tried by an Iraqi court.[/QUOTE]

Ahem:

[quote=me]I'm pretty sure he's being tried in Iraq, not the USA.[/quote]

Like... 4 posts before yours. :p

[QUOTE=Akira;13582486]Except he's being tried by an Iraqi court.[/QUOTE]

Touché.

[QUOTE=Akira;13582474]...
You do realize that with the current appeals system, the death penalty ends up being [I]more[/I] expensive than lifelong imprisonment, right?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this is a good point.

If they just went straight to hanging without all the middle mess, it would be relatively cheap, though. Some wood and a rope. :p

Hey.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582479]Or by David Copperfield, doing his new dissapearing act.

SUpposedly, a "good" hanger can hang you without you feeling anything. He takes measures and physics and crap into consideration. Really.[/QUOTE]

Baaaadass.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582495]My History teacher told me it's something that's done commonly. There is one thing I don't know. If there is a right that says you CAN choose, or if they are simply going by the Tenth Amendment (or is it ninth?) of the Bill of Rights (all things not spoken of in the Bill of Rights or Constitution are rights of the people and the state).[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't know, I don't deal with the death penalty in Canada.

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582498]Ahem:



Like... 4 posts before yours. :p[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but I'm cooler.

That's a lousy hobby, though.

"I'm a musician."
"I'm good at hanging people."

If I was on death row, could I choose death by falling off of something big?

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582517]I wouldn't know, I don't deal with the death penalty in Canada.[/QUOTE]

That's 'cause there is no death penalty in Canada.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582517]I wouldn't know, I don't deal with the death penalty in Canada.[/QUOTE]

That's good.

Death Penaltys are silly, IMO. Very silly.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13582531]That's a lousy hobby, though.

"I'm a musician."
"I'm good at hanging people."[/QUOTE]

Conversation-stopper.
Or starter, depending on the crowd.

[QUOTE=Akira;13582519]Yeah, but I'm cooler.[/QUOTE]

That statement is incorrect.

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582537]That's 'cause there is no death penalty in Canada.[/QUOTE]

...that was implied Ben. Go back to sleep.

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582537]That's 'cause there is no death penalty in Canada.[/QUOTE]

That's what he said.

If someone in your family ask you to kill them. Would you do it?

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582537]That's 'cause there is no death penalty in Canada.[/QUOTE]

It is because you Canadians don't do anything bad enough to warrant a death penalty.

I mean, the last major thing that happened in Canada that was absolutely tragic for those involved was the shooting in Montreal.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582558]...that was implied Ben. Go back to sleep.[/QUOTE]

:upset:

Just because I'm a liberal arts student in the Maritimes doesn't mean I'm stupid. :upset:

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson;13582565]It is because you Canadians don't do anything bad enough to warrant a death penalty.

I mean, the last major thing that happened in Canada that was absolutely tragic for those involved was the shooting in Montreal.[/QUOTE]

4 RCMP officers being gunned down in Northern Alberta?

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13582568]:upset:

Just because I'm a liberal arts student in the Maritimes doesn't mean I'm stupid. :upset:[/QUOTE]

Hush, child, it will all be over soon.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon;13582374]Agreed... wtf hanging? We've got electricity now bitches... And all sorts of death chemicals and such.


Hell, even a guillotine would be better.[/QUOTE]

lethal injection...needs to be rexamined. heres an excerpt from my paper on it

Proposed in 1888 by J. Blount in New York, lethal injection has quickly become the most popular form of capital punishment. Lethal injection is actually 3 different injections each with a different purpose. Injection one contains sodium thiopental which renders the victim unconscious long enough for the other two injections to be administered without them feeling it. Injection two contains one of two substances that do the same thing, pancuronium or tubocurarine stops all of the muscles except the heart. Injection 3 stops the heart. The concern with this is that the amount of thiopental being used is not enough, and in a study conducted by the University of Miami in 43 out of 49 of the cases they studied, the amount of thiopental was insufficient and the victim was fully conscious of what was happening to him

and for the other methods

People for the death sentence argue that there are humane methods of ending someone’s life. The 3 most common methods of capital punishment are the electric chair, the gas chamber, and the lethal injection (Study world 3). The electric chair was first used in 1890 and is still in use in 13 states (Study world 3). The chair doesn’t always work on the first try. In 1946 Willie Francis was strapped to the chair; the first shock to knock him unconscious was administered. He didn’t fall out of consciousness though, he screamed in pain while they tried to fix the chair. Later they found out an intoxicated person had set up the chair for this execution. Francis’s lawyers took the case to court and said that even though Francis had not died he had been executed; the court dismissed this case and Francis had to go back to the chair (Wikipedia 2). The gas chamber takes advantage of the gas produced by mixing sulfuric acid and cyanide. Prisoners are advised to take deep breaths when the gas starts to end the pain quickly (Clark 3). Medically speaking, the prisoner dies of hypoxia. Hypoxia is defined as oxygen level below normal, or a heart attack of the brain. Robert Taytsman of John Hopkins University tells us that hypoxia is a very painful ordeal to endure (Clark 3). John Hopkins University doesn’t even use this technique on animals as they say it is cruel. This gas, which causes immense pain, takes about 3 minutes to knock the person unconscious and around 10 minutes to kill them (Clark 4). There is a more humane way to do this.

Aaaaand, that's why they need to use heroin instead.

Phil: They actually sued the government for that. Someone died, and their family sued because they were aware that their loved one could feel the pain.

Something like that. I think. My memory is iffy.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon;13582606]Aaaaand, that's why they need to use heroin instead.[/QUOTE]

you cant be serious, the death penalty shouldnt be enjoyable, but it definitley shouldnt be excruciatingly painful

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582593]Hush, child, it will all be over soon.[/QUOTE]

I hope so. :upset:

My brain is fried after spending the last 3 days writing a paper on Epictetus and his silly conceptions about unhappiness and how best to remedy it.

[QUOTE=progmegood;13582585]4 RCMP officers being gunned down in Northern Alberta?[/QUOTE]

Police shootings always happen here. They died on the line of duty. Granted, that sucks for them, but it can happen within their job.

I was talking about major news that everyone and their mother know about. School shootings, as far as I know, don't happen in Canada, so, when that shooting happened over at that college in Montreal, it was an extremely big deal.