[QUOTE=ThePatient]Swamp Song isn't hard at all.

If I were to do a Tool cover show it'd be...

Part of Me
Prison Sex
H.
Pu****
Lateralus
Schism[/QUOTE]
Great set list.

I think people don't get/understand Meshuggah's music as much for this reason. The music that most people appreciate today is built around catchy riffs. Very few people really give a fu[B][I][/I][/B]ck if you can keep a polyrythm, or play in 13/8 time. Me and my friend have discussed this quite a few times. He runs into this problem with his own music quite often. From his first album to where he stands now, he has gone to the catchy James Hetfield-esque riffs to the Meshuggah meets Slayer sound, playing in wierd time sigs and such. Most of his family/friends/fans like his older, easier to listen to music mainly because it is just that-Easier to listen to. Meshuggah doesn't recieve half the credit they deserve for what they can do musically.

I have no idea what time sigs are, I am completely musically illiterate, but I enjoy listening to Meshuggah A LOT. If you look at songs like I or Neurotica from a non-music expert p.o.v, the riffs are very catchy. I is my favourite song/album for when I just want some mad hardcore heavy riffing and crazy drumming.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]As a bassist, I must say none of those songs are very hard.

[/QUOTE]

That is one of the things that pulls me into certain bands. If they can play something that can keep my attention, but also something that I can play, it's a good thing. The only thing that requires extreme amounts of talent would be Danny Carey's drumming. Other than that, I can pull off Justin's bass lines, Jones' riffs, and Maynard's vox. (to a certain extent) I'm not trying to say that the members of Tool are untalented, I'm just saying that they're talent isn't shown through their technical prowess. It is demonstrated through their writing ability, and through the concepts behind their music. Tool goes far beyond what comes through the speakers, and that is also something that turns me onto certain music.

95% of the music that is made is in 4/4 time. It is fairly hard to write an entire song in a wierd time signature. I'm not talking 3/4 or cut time or anything, but like oh say..perhaps a 7/8 8/8 9/8 progression. ( :eek: Lateralus!) Or since you're a Meshuggah fan, 13/8 (Stengah)

i agree....adams a god

[QUOTE=The JoZ]As a bassist, I must say none of those songs are very hard.

I can play all of them, save Swamp Song, simply cause I haven't learned it.[/QUOTE]

agree with you. but trying to keep the rhytmn for Reflection, it's tireing after awhile. i think one of the most hardest tones to get is disposition(because of his Digitech Bass Whammy) man i wish i had one of those. but other than that its easy. i learned schism on guitar, fun and a pretty easy song to learn.

sure the bass really isnt that tricky...even tho i dont play bass....its just more arty and ****....but adams rather fast....hes kool

Anybody read the new update on the official website?

I think Blair is purposefully toying with us at this point....

[QUOTE=mudvayne420]agree with you. but trying to keep the rhytmn for Reflection, it's tireing after awhile. i think one of the most hardest tones to get is disposition(because of his Digitech Bass Whammy) man i wish i had one of those. but other than that its easy. i learned schism on guitar, fun and a pretty easy song to learn.[/QUOTE]


do u use ur index and ring for the hammer on, or the middle and pinky....i personally think if you get the middle and pinky down it sounds better, you dont even have to change hand positions

[QUOTE=adams9168]You should play them for me. Yes?[/QUOTE]

I can, but I think I would need to restring my four string, or borrow another four string, cause mine has thick strings on it for low ADGC tuning...those strings won't do DADG :(

But when I do, I'll play them for you :D

[quote]That is one of the things that pulls me into certain bands. If they can play something that can keep my attention, but also something that I can play, it's a good thing. The only thing that requires extreme amounts of talent would be Danny Carey's drumming. Other than that, I can pull off Justin's bass lines, Jones' riffs, and Maynard's vox. (to a certain extent) I'm not trying to say that the members of Tool are untalented, I'm just saying that they're talent isn't shown through their technical prowess. It is demonstrated through their writing ability, and through the concepts behind their music. Tool goes far beyond what comes through the speakers, and that is also something that turns me onto certain music.[/quote]

Don't misunderstand me, Justin's basslines as a whole are not what I would call "easy". But the basslines in the songs that were mentioned were definetly on the easy end of the scale.

Reflection is hard, simply because it's so long, and repetitive. I love the main riff he's got, but honestly, I don't think I've ever played it the whole way through the long intro, because it's, well, insanely long :lol:

But Reflection as a whole is tricky. There are parts of it I still mess up on every now and then, I am not perfect at it yet.

Disposition isn't hard if you have the right settings to play it, and I do. In fact, I have recorded a cover of it, though I took a little license with it at times, cause I wanted to...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/thejozmusic.htm[/url]

It's a few songs down..."Noitisopsid", "Disposition" spelled backwards to fool the Soundclick people.

[quote]sure the bass really isnt that tricky...even tho i dont play bass....its just more arty and ****....but adams rather fast....hes kool[/quote]

Quite the contrary, it's trickier than most people give it credit for. Mostly, the stuff on Lateralus is what's hard/tricky...

For example, "The Grudge" is very hard to hear half of what he's doing...so you have to try and guesstimate where he's at. "Schism" has the infamous triplet riff, and that by itself isn't hard, but some of his stuff towards the end, with odd notes thrown in, and such...is tricky.

Arguably the hardest song to play of theirs is "Parabola", simply because nobody seems to know EXACTLY what Adam and Justin are playing, alot of it is masked by Adam's distortion. I've seen some people come close, but alot of tabs are way off, or are missing a part, or something...

/long post :p

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Arguably the hardest song to play of theirs is "Parabola", simply because nobody seems to know EXACTLY what Adam and Justin are playing, alot of it is masked by Adam's distortion. I've seen some people come close, but alot of tabs are way off, or are missing a part, or something...[/QUOTE]
They are its a pain in the *** i play guitar and bass and there is a bit i still dont know what to do its so annoying im closer on guitar than bass though bass is usualy shadowed over by adams distortion and on his guitar he switches his tone to 0 (for parabol anyway) to give it that type of melody (found that out by accident)

[QUOTE=Rothmans]They are its a pain in the *** i play guitar and bass and there is a bit i still dont know what to do its so annoying im closer on guitar than bass though bass is usualy shadowed over by adams distortion and on his guitar he switches his tone to 0 (for parabol anyway) to give it that type of melody (found that out by accident)[/QUOTE]

Justin is overshadowed 9 times out of 10 thanks to Adam, that's why it's hard to play alot of their stuff...

Either way, Parabola is a bitch to play, I don't think anyone would argue that :cool:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Justin is overshadowed 9 times out of 10 thanks to Adam[/QUOTE]

That's the way it should be :p. But actually, I disagree that Justin is overshadowed 9 times out of 10 (or did you mean only in Parabola?) because I find Tool's bass to be very prominent, and I can usually pick out the bassline fairly easily especially in Lateralus. Aside from that, there are also many times where Justin and Adam mess around with their roles, as you know quite well. I actually find that when Justin gets buried, it's usually from the drums more than the guitar.

Parabola is a bitch to play, though I agree with that.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Justin is overshadowed 9 times out of 10 thanks to Adam, that's why it's hard to play alot of their stuff...

Either way, Parabola is a bitch to play, I don't think anyone would argue that :cool:[/QUOTE]
lol, I find it one of the most fun (aside form the bits i cant play)

But i dont know what is my favourite to play what's everyone elses?

Tool are ****in amazing, full stop!!!!!!!!! :D

46 and 2 on bass is quite gd to play- ez n sounds good

I'd say that in pretty much every song i cannot hear the bass. Mainly because when jason is playing the lead line, it sounds like Adam.

I could NEVER get Parabola to sound good... It kinda pisses me off because I can play every other Tool song you put infront of me...

Whats the diference betwene 8/8 and 4/4?

And parabola isn't that tought, there's only 1 or 2 parts that i think that don't sound right, but the rest of it is not that hard, the only bad thing is the BEDG tuning because i have to use another bass for that.

The reason I don't play Parabola is because of the low tuning. Going that low rapes your guitar. I used to do it and it screws up the bridge and the thing will never stay in tune unless you adjust the nuts for 56s in the low string spot.

Plus, it's hard to get it to sound right.

I don't play Parabola because I'm just [I]that[/I] cool.

That and I've never tried.

[QUOTE=Kage]That's the way it should be :p. But actually, I disagree that Justin is overshadowed 9 times out of 10 (or did you mean only in Parabola?)[/QUOTE]

I was referring, in this post, to Parabola.

The only time you can clearly, clearly, hear the bass in this song, is when Justin plays that higher melody shortly after the solo.

The rest of the time, it's pretty buried, even in the beginning when Adam isn't playing, it's not very clear.

I should probably try playing Parabola on my 6 string...something I almost can't believe I haven't done yet :amaze:

sure parabolas not that hard in the intro and stuff....the power chords arent hard there just fast but the picking is the bitch

and just play it on ur standard tuning n if u ever get another guitar or sumthin use that one to play parabola....**** the exact sound

If you play it in Standard, then the intervals of the notes will be off when you skip from the D or G string to the E or B.

Its just the main riff on mx says:

e------------------
b------------------
g------------------
d------------------
e-----------3------
b--3/5--5~----5-3-

And this dosen't sound right at all when I play it... mabye I'm just messing it up the way its played...the rhtyhm...

That's innacurate:

e-----------------
b-----------------
g-----------------
d--0h2-3p2-------- x4
e--0-------3p0----
b--------------3--


That's more accurate, though we still can't be sure, I don't think. I haven't attempted the song since having grown an ear for music, so I dont' know how it sounds.

And btw, use [url=www.tooltabs.net]tooltabs.net[/url] for Tool songs.

Wow, those tabs look so different. I hate guitars

/breaks guitar

there I feel better

Look at the bass tabs, they're even worse.

NOBODY has that higher bassline in the chorus, except Tooltabs. I'd never heard it till they pointed it out, I assumed he was always following Adam, but apparantly not.

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]do u use ur index and ring for the hammer on, or the middle and pinky....i personally think if you get the middle and pinky down it sounds better, you dont even have to change hand positions[/QUOTE]

i used to use my index and ring finger but now i use my middle and pinky becuase i'm tryin to streghten my pinky. it does sound better that way it's just the bridge i have trouble on.