If you look under Oldies theres a lot of good stuff there too.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd](edit: regarding Nick's drumming)

Because he doesn't hold a candle to them.

I love Pink Floyd, but I've never been particularly impressed with Nicks drumming. (I've seen pulse too).[/QUOTE]
oh but he does, for the music he's simply amazing. If he were in there playing his 32nd note polyrhythic fills at 140 bpm it would make the music reeally crappy.

hmmmm I vaguely understand^.........Meh.

Anyone have the Album Flashpoint?

The site LiveWired.

Everyone IM me for a site with free steaming music.

I'm gonna edit the posts that have it in it.

It's gonna be the classic rock threads little secret.

thanks, I hope its right now.

Join the Chat^

have you noticed that the members of led zeppelin always refer to each other in these silly nicknames, like bonzo, or jonesy, or pagey or....rob.

i thought it was kinda funny.

That is the most amazing website I have ever seen. I don't even know where to start. Like, I am overwhelmed. Thank you for that.

[QUOTE=InChains]have you noticed that the members of led zeppelin always refer to each other in these silly nicknames, like bonzo, or jonesy, or pagey or....rob.

i thought it was kinda funny.[/QUOTE]

They called Robert Percy because they were watching a show about plants called Percy Plant or something and they were like "wow who would want to watch plants grow?" and then page said "hey shut up we watch plant grow everyday" and the name just stuck i guess.

[QUOTE=Livewired]Join the Chat^[/QUOTE]

I am out of the loop, you will have to explain, which one etc, sorry

[QUOTE=InChains]have you noticed that the members of led zeppelin always refer to each other in these silly nicknames, like bonzo, or jonesy, or pagey or....rob.

i thought it was kinda funny.[/QUOTE]
I can't say I knew that.

[QUOTE=Creedence Clearwater]I am out of the loop, you will have to explain, which one etc, sorry[/QUOTE]

mxclassicrock

Stonefree1313=Zeppelin

RockAndRoll (RevelManBand) = The who

Me = DARKsideOFtheLED

my team = Zeppelin

Lunch998 = The Who

me = the who

What about Miik?

1.) One post per team at a time
2.) No spam
3.) keep it relevant

EDIT - **** it

[QUOTE=VoodooChild]Not exactly, when you just start listening to classic rock you only know about those few popular, most known bands. After you listen to them for a while though you will start discovering new, equally good bands. You will want to hear more of this awesome genre. That's how everybody starts out. So basicaly just give these kids some time and before you know it they will be rocking out to ALL of the great bands for 60's' 70's, etc.... That's just my theory.............[/QUOTE]

yeah, maybe in a perfect world, this would happen to everybody... but there are hundreds of thousands of kids who'll go out and by an AC/DC shirt because it's "vintage" and "hip"...

at my school everyone likes ac/dc for there music not because there "vintage" or "hip"

[QUOTE=badmoon349]me = the who[/QUOTE]

me = hendrix

[QUOTE=AdžDÇ]at my school everyone likes ac/dc for there music not because there "vintage" or "hip"[/QUOTE]

i would like it if anyone at my school liked any classic rock for any reason

[QUOTE=Perverted Pixie Nudist Colony]me = hendrix[/QUOTE]

I wonder if he knew what that meant when Badmoon said it.

I'd say, depending on how this one goes, the next debate should be Cream vs. The Doors.

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]I wonder if he knew what that meant when Badmoon said it.[/QUOTE]

Well as he states he is only keepin' it real :lol:

[QUOTE=i am miik]I'd say, depending on how this one goes, the next debate should be Cream vs. The Doors.[/QUOTE]


i was hoping for grateful dead vs. allmans

but whatever works

Yeah that was another one we were thinking about, but I was just trying something different.

I think the doors vs cream is a very good idea. It's weird debating though, because sometimes you must say things you don't beleive. (unless you're going to be like lunch)

Good idea^

[QUOTE=Livewired]Good idea^[/QUOTE]
the doors vs cream or saying stuff you don't beleive?

Miick join!!!

I am willing to say the Doors are the first real "rock" band and also the absolute greatest band that has ever has walked the "Earth". Cream I throw up on you.

That was Fun

cream and the doors would be a good debate, but I see i'll need to argue for cream if we start it up again.

[QUOTE=RockAndRoll]I think the doors vs cream is a very good idea. It's weird debating though, because sometimes you must say things you don't beleive. (unless you're going to be like lunch)[/QUOTE]

Yea I had to cheat. I couldn't say that much against Zeppelin without standing up for them alittle bit.

[QUOTE=lunch998]Yea I had to cheat. I couldn't say that much against Zeppelin without standing up for them alittle bit.[/QUOTE]
meh, I don't agree that the who is better in all aspects, but that's what I argued. *will win at an any cost* :p

next debate should definitely be Allmans vs. the Grateful Dead. The Cream/Doors debate didn't work at all. (Maybe due to the fact that no one was on my side,but probably because the bands don't have anything in common.)

^Delete your post untill I get this sorted out.

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Stonefree1313: This is our planning room?
badmoon349: no
bass over all: all of this is making me dazed and confused
badmoon349: the debate room
badmoon349: I'll start
badmoon349: I believe The Who has influenced music to a much great degree than Zeppelin has
DARKsideOFtheLED: Zeppelin started the wave of heavy metal that hit the 80's in full storm. And that heavy metal influenced nu-metal and so on...
Smoothmb2: sorry to do this, but what side am I on? I want the who
badmoon349: change your text color, and fine you could be Zepp
RevelManBand: I disagree I think other bands such as Sabbath, Hendrix, Deep Purple and such influenced rock enough that metal would have developped regardless of zeppelin.
lunch998: The Who was to an extent one of the first hard rock bands, which was an influence to Zeppelin
Stonefree1313: True The Who did
badmoon349: probably little though
lunch998: Keith Moon was even responsible for Zeppelins name
lunch998: Keith Moon was one of John Bonhams 2 biggest influence(the other being Ginger Baker)
badmoon349: I beleive The Who has had an extremely large role in the formation of Punk. Through bands like MC5, The Sex Pistols, ect...
badmoon349: lets get some discussion zepp defenders
Stonefree1313: But Zeppelin took the influence from the Who and used it to be one of the most diverse and most influential rock group evr
Smoothmb2: The Who took there influences and made something completely new, whereas Zeppelin just remade what there influences already did
badmoon349: I believe The Who reigned in Bass and rythm influence
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok new topic
DARKsideOFtheLED: you guys pwned us in influence
badmoon349: no, you haven't even said a word
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
badmoon349: Zepp fans have to rise up
RevelManBand: ya, zepp say something! or i'll have to swicth sides
lunch998: im ready to for a second
Stonefree1313: I hate to say this but the poser kids were introduced to Zep because their fav bands named Zep as the main influence
Stonefree1313: whereas the Who are not mention to the near extent zep was
RevelManBand: Zeppelin had a much larger influence, this is seen by the fact that they are more popular than the who (despite the who's success).
lunch998: switch to skill....?
Stonefree1313: yeah
DARKsideOFtheLED: roger
Stonefree1313: who starts ?
lunch998: I think The Who is definitely at least as skilled as zeppelin
badmoon349: i believe the whos skill is almost as even as Zeps, but
badmoon349: The Who takes it by like an inch
lunch998: yea
badmoon349: ...
lunch998: Keith Moon and Bonham are pretty much regarded as the twi gods of classic rock drumming
lunch998: Entwhistle is better than JPJ even though Jones is very good
Stonefree1313: The Who are great songwriters but Zep takes the cake for there instrument and vocals
Stonefree1313: Bonham>Moon
DARKsideOFtheLED: John Paul Jones was more of a diverse player than Entwhistle
Stonefree1313: Plant>Dalhtery
DARKsideOFtheLED: Such as playing mandolin, keys, organ, and bass
lunch998: Roger Daltrey is overlooked as a great frontman
badmoon349: I think Moon's drumming is highley original and his work with the toms is unstopable
bass over all: you guys keep takin words out of my mouth. i cant type fast enough
lunch998: Daltry and Plant are parallels in my eyes
Stonefree1313: ENTWHISTLE>JONES
lunch998: Plant gets more credit
RevelManBand: John entwhistle was a more skilled bassist though with songs such as my generation fast fingers.
badmoon349: Plant can take it for range, but he can't belt notes. He is not a power vocalist, which is what Zep needed
bass over all: Daltrey is good, but Plant's vocal range is phenomenal
badmoon349: There is no use comparing Entwistle to Jones, Entwistle is far superior in skill
lunch998: Entwhislte and Townshend also could do backup or even lead vocals, and write great songs
Stonefree1313: an he is better at harmonica
DARKsideOFtheLED: lets compare each member at a time
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
DARKsideOFtheLED: Plant vs Daltrey
badmoon349: Daltrey
Stonefree1313: page>townshend
lunch998: Plant has the range, but daltrey really has the power
DARKsideOFtheLED: Plant had a much higher range than daltrey
DARKsideOFtheLED: I'd say they're equal
lunch998: Daltrey could sing well live too
DARKsideOFtheLED: they both succeded where one failed
badmoon349: Page is a better guitarist, but Townshend is a rythm guitarist
DARKsideOFtheLED: kind of
lunch998: Plant is all over the place on HTWWW
bass over all: Townsend isnt eben close to page
badmoon349: Page is sloppy as hell
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok Page vs Townsend go
badmoon349: Townsend isn't a lead player, he leaves that to Moon
RevelManBand: page is sloppy,
DARKsideOFtheLED: Page had more talent but during live shows he was VERY sloppy
bass over all: Page's technical abiliy far excedes Townsends
Stonefree1313: townshend doenst solo enough
badmoon349: atleast that's what shown
Smoothmb2: Page's sloppiness wasn't bad, it was his style
Stonefree1313: or even do fills hardly
badmoon349: Exactly, he doesn't show much soloing
Smoothmb2: Hendrix was sloppy too
lunch998: Townsend is a simple guitarist usually, he does what is very important to the music
DARKsideOFtheLED: Thats true
badmoon349: Hendrix adapted to his sloppiness perfectly though
badmoon349: he had a muting skill
lunch998: but just guitar playing id say Page>Townsend
badmoon349: sure
RevelManBand: Townsend was also more broad based i think with all the work he did for the who
DARKsideOFtheLED: Hey are we discussing hendrix or page and townsed
Stonefree1313: yes
badmoon349: its a point ***
badmoon349: I beleive The Who takes it
DARKsideOFtheLED: - an ***
DARKsideOFtheLED: ok
lunch998: so far Daltry=Plant
lunch998: Page>Townsend
lunch998: Entwhistle>JPJ
badmoon349: Wait
DARKsideOFtheLED: Bonham vs Moon
Stonefree1313: bonham>moon
badmoon349: look at it this way
Smoothmb2: moon=bohnam
DARKsideOFtheLED: moon and bonham are equal
lunch998: Keith Moon and Bonham are uncomparable
lunch998: their styles are so different
bass over all: Ive never heard anything better than moby dick
badmoon349: Townsend is a rythm player, why is he compared to a lead
DARKsideOFtheLED: because we can't really compare him to JPJ
badmoon349: they're both rythm players
lunch998: Yea but if the other 3 members of the who stopped playing, you would have this amazing wall of sound coming from moon that would equal a solo
Smoothmb2: But Bohnam could do that too
Stonefree1313: easily
Smoothmb2: so if you add that to the other 3, it's better than what the who had
badmoon349: Led Zeppelin's loose cannon is JPJ,
lunch998: yea im just saying that just because keith moon didnt have a "solo" doesnt mean he didnt have that ability
badmoon349: that's where I believe they lose it
lunch998: explain that
badmoon349: Have you heard Keith's small solo in Won't get Fooled Again
DARKsideOFtheLED: JPJ was the last element of Led Zeppelin that made it Led Zeppelin
lunch998: its not that much of a solo
DARKsideOFtheLED: he was so diverse in his range of musical instruments
bass over all: Have you heard the lemon song
badmoon349: JPJ lacks musical skill
Stonefree1313: it wouldnt be the same without him
badmoon349: I'm not saying he's bad
bass over all: You couldnt be more wrong
Smoothmb2: How about stage presence?
Stonefree1313: no he doesnt
Smoothmb2: I'd say equal
lunch998: musical skill.....?
badmoon349: He just simply doesn't compare talent wise
lunch998: badmoon you lost me even on this one
lunch998: as a bass player he couldnt compare
lunch998: musically JPJ was great
lunch998: who grew up a piano player
lunch998: he*
badmoon349: Well, Townsend played piano well
RevelManBand: JPJ has musical skill, but Entwhistle is a more proficient bassist
badmoon349: Entwistle played french horn well
bass over all: He arranged music for tons of different musicians
badmoon349: Daltrey played harmonica well
DARKsideOFtheLED: So did Plant
Stonefree1313: plant played it better
badmoon349: Why aren't we adding points to them
lunch998: you cant gang up Daltry, Entwhistle and Townsend against JPJ
bass over all: JPJ's keyboad playin was great
lunch998: he was originally a keyboard player
RevelManBand: Daltery is better than PLant at harmonica
badmoon349: But JPJ is only comparable because he is okay with a few other instruments
lunch998: true
Stonefree1313: no plant is better at harmonica
badmoon349: If we look at it that way, The Who probably wins by a mile
bass over all: Hes not just okay listen to some of the songs he plays keyboard on
DARKsideOFtheLED: Trampled Underfoot
DARKsideOFtheLED: perfect example
bass over all: exactly
Stonefree1313: when the levee breaks bringit on home great examples of harmonica
lunch998: JPJ keyboard playing>The whos keyboard playing
badmoon349: Listen to "Overture" hear Entwistle's french horn skillls
lunch998: and Whisky Man
badmoon349: It's like where giving Zeppelin a chance to catch up.
lunch998: from A Quick One
Stonefree1313: yeah but it is french
RevelManBand: The who had better songwriting in that they had more variety

Stonefree1313: therefore being bad
Smoothmb2: I think Zeppelin had much better song compisition. The who seemed to have more a pop rock approach to songwriting as far as compisition goes, although they obviously weren't. Zeppelins song were like symphonies, with long breaks
Smoothmb2: and the way they built up
DARKsideOFtheLED: the way they built up was amazing
RevelManBand: have you heard tommy?
DARKsideOFtheLED: stairway (cliche'd but its a perfect example)
badmoon349: Listen to Tommy, they even give you Overtures/undertures. The Who fall to no formula
Smoothmb2: Thats why Stair is considered one of the greatest songs ever
Smoothmb2: Stairway
lunch998: Tommy>Any single Zeppelin Cd
RevelManBand: they make great use of more than just your regular rock band instruments
Stonefree1313: yes
lunch998: i hate to say it
lunch998: Stairway is overrated
DARKsideOFtheLED: it is
Smoothmb2: No, its' not
DARKsideOFtheLED: only because thats the only song that the Trend Followers know
Stonefree1313: overrated but still very good
bass over all: Its been made into a joke by posers
lunch998: (Zeppelin guys, point out Achilles Last Stand)
badmoon349: look aside from others' views
Stonefree1313: zeppelin also had catchier riffs
RevelManBand: Lyrically The who were better, neither are the best but the who still had better
Smoothmb2: flat out better riffs
lunch998: Tommy in general has a catchy riff
Stonefree1313: yeah
Stonefree1313: no
bass over all: Yeah, musical skill and complexity isnt everything if isnt catchy noone will like it
DARKsideOFtheLED: thats true
DARKsideOFtheLED: achilles last stand
Smoothmb2: Zeppelin had better lyrics
DARKsideOFtheLED: how could i forget that
Smoothmb2: they were almost an extension of the music
DARKsideOFtheLED: a 10 minute long masterpiece
RevelManBand: zeppelin did not have vetter lyrics, listen to their first album
lunch998: Achilles Last Stand is the most amazing thing ever made into a song
badmoon349: The Who where not afraid to completely change themselves, which Zeppelin didn't do
Stonefree1313: yeah they tried a new approach to every album
lunch998: The Who changed into a hard rock band after Zeppelin came on the scene
bass over all: ITTOD, zeppelin totally changed from their normal style
RevelManBand: The who had catchy riffs in their early stuff but they weren't afraid to change themselves
badmoon349: Not anything really risky
badmoon349: The Who were hard rock since a Quick One
Smoothmb2: I think Zeppelin changed as the 80s approached
Smoothmb2: less physcadelic
badmoon349: The Who, were the first hard rock band
lunch998: Zeppelin 3 was risky, and it was considered a flop
DARKsideOFtheLED: zeppelin 3 was considered a flop because it wasn't anything like the first 2 zeppelin ablums
lunch998: no one else played anything like whats on Houses of the Holy
DARKsideOFtheLED: they actually recorded that in the woods i believe
Smoothmb2: then look what they did with 4
RevelManBand: who are you for lunch?
badmoon349: The similarities aren't huge
DARKsideOFtheLED: 3 was more of an acousticy feel
DARKsideOFtheLED: and 4 was more of an electrical folk tale
lunch998: im switching back and forth
Smoothmb2: Zeppelin did have the greatest acoustic songs
RevelManBand: then switch your font too
lunch998: oh yea sorry
RevelManBand: no problem
badmoon349: The Who go from Pop Rock, to Hard Rock, to Opra Rock, to even some techno influence
RevelManBand: don't forget Mod
badmoon349: yea
lunch998: Yea each of the Whos albums sound really different
bass over all: Yeah, the rain song and over the hills and far away are untouchable
Smoothmb2: goin to california
badmoon349: compared to what
lunch998: Tommy to Whos next in 2 years?
DARKsideOFtheLED: Over the Hills and Far Away is another good example for buildup
lunch998: those are very differnet