16 is toooo small :P 17" A Custom Med. 18" 2002 full


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Size doesn't matter, sound does. The 16" has a great tone imo. You can hear the cymbal say "crassssshhh".

id go 17". i like the sound better than the 16"

I need a new crash that will go decently with a 19'' Sabian AAX dark crash. Something generally for harder stuff, but still versatile. Thanks

18inch AAX stage crash?

Yes, size does matter. I prefer the [B]sound[/B] of larger crashes(that I've heard) :) I might get a smaller K Custom or A Custom later though


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I guess that was kind of a dumb thining to say in retrospekt :P

[QUOTE=ant_182;14114330]You might like the Z Customs. Try them out :) I really didn't want to try the Z crash out. But I did and loved it!


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link please.

a custom 14" hats or k hats? i want a good sound for the chick, and over all. I play all style and want a good sound for all situations. Other suggestions are also welcome.

K's

Link: [url]http://zildjian.com/EN-US/home.ad2[/url]

i meant like a link to a sound sample of the z custom.

It's called a lil effort, geez.

[url]http://zildjian.com/en-US/products/default.ad2?catalogID=1012[/url]

Now find what you want from there.

oh, i got to those pages and everything, but i didnt find the sound sample part off to the side, but i just found it, ok thanks.

Hey there. I'm looking for a 2nd crash for my drum kit. It's a Mapex Pro M 22/10/12/14 with 12" snare, and the cymbals I have already are 13" A custom mastersound hats, 17" A custom projection crash, 20" K custom dry ride. I also have a 16" Stagg medium crash, but I want to get a better one. Ideally a bit less powerful and shorter decay (less sustain) than the projection crash, with a different sound that fits but is also fairly contrasting (higher or lower in pitch). So far I have looked on the Sabian website to get an idea of what is out there sound-wise, and briefly I have considered the following:

AAX - 16" dark, 15"/16" studio, 16" stage
AA - 16" sound control, 17" fast.

I play in a rock band, so it has to be loud (etc) enough to be heard and sound good in rock, but any cymbal has to be versatile enough to play in other styles as my band isn't all that serious and it's not going to be around forever, so good for playing alone too, hence not having a bigger crash as the 17" projection is rather powerful indeed.

Also, I don't want anything too thin that is going to break easily as although I take care I sometimes hit fairly hard (+ my brother can be a bit of a noob when playing my drums + hits them very hard, so I've put my current crashes at really slanted angles that are a bit awkward for me to play otherwise he hits the edges).


Secondly, I'm thinking of a 2nd ride or crash/ride, as the K custom dry ride is sex and great for grooving but it isn't very loud, has little wash, can't easily be crashed to build wash&volume, and has dark&low over/undertones that mean it doesn't cut through very well. So I was thinking about something with a little less wash than a 21 A sweet ride, possibly a 20 or 22 A custom/A ride/medium ride, or a K custom 'normal' ride, with wash&some crashing ability (inc. using the side of the stick on the body of the ride) but also stick definition and definitely louder than than what I already have.


Although all my (decent) cymbals are currently Zildjian, I don't have a preference for brands at all. Sabian AA/X are cheaper than A&K/custom, but about £20 or £30 but I'd always go for sound rather than price if I'm spending over £100 anyway. Though I did rule out HH etc as they're damn expensive.

I also have a Meinl Classics 20" ping ride, but no stand for it - so any ride would have to be preferable to that.


Thank you in advance for your helpful advice and for taking time to help fellow drummers. :) (++rep as an incentive for good advice).

You sir want A customs or 2oo2's for the crash

and Avedis 20" Medium for that good crash and good ride

AS far as Zildjian stuff goes I would say a 16" regular A Custom crash would do. It would be a higher pitch with a shorter sustain but being an A Custom it will still be durable and cut through.

Anybody got any opinions on the 16" A Custom Fast Crash and Medium Crash?

I played a Fast Crash yesterday. Pretty good, sounds really nice with a full kit.



Very versatile. Very bright.

The fast crashes are nice, pretty much like the regulars without the sustain. I always find the medium crashes hard to describe but they fit right in between the regular and the projection. I found them to have a unique tone that you have to hear for yourself.

[QUOTE=byrkee;14127301]link please.[/QUOTE]
No, try them yourself. The cymbal sound clips don't do cymbals justice IMO


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I find the sound clips to be a good tool if you have something to compare, ie. If you have a 16" A Custom crash and want to know how it compares to a 16" K Custom crash. Listening to the clips without a reference can be kind of pointless.

Fair post ^^^
I like the sound of Oriental Trashes. And now I don't know what to get.
16" or 18"? The 16" is cheaper, and there's a second hand one cheap
The 18" is cheap (£147 inc. postage) and brandnew.
After that I'm after a crash. Sould I get another 19" Z Cust. Med? I love it, but then what about another sound? Because, I havmt the time to go to my music store that would let me compare it :(


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Get the A Custom. 2 heavy crashes is far too much IMO. I dont even use heavy crashes and one medium thin is enough for me.

i dont know of any stores around my area that allow open drumset use in the store.

Then they're lame.

[QUOTE=byrkee;14146315]i dont know of any stores around my area that allow open drumset use in the store.[/QUOTE]

tell them you won't buy anything unless you try it out.

[QUOTE=ant_182;14145153]Fair post ^^^
I like the sound of Oriental Trashes. And now I don't know what to get.
16" or 18"? The 16" is cheaper, and there's a second hand one cheap
The 18" is cheap (£147 inc. postage) and brandnew.
After that I'm after a crash. Sould I get another 19" Z Cust. Med? I love it, but then what about another sound? Because, I havmt the time to go to my music store that would let me compare it :(


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Well the 16 will have a higher pitch but either way you get a very trashy cymbal that will cut.

17" Dark, warm, thin, cutting, loud cymbal.



And opinions on AAX Dark Crashes?

[QUOTE=George;14146703]17" Dark, warm, thin, cutting, loud cymbal.



And opinions on AAX Dark Crashes?[/QUOTE]

K Thin Dark Crash! I love the 17" myself.

Yes! That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.


Have you played it in real life? If so, how does it compare to the sound clips?