[QUOTE=coheneran]I am confused, and high (I discovered the coolest bong last night) and listening to Joni Mitchell, who is like the Canadian female equivalent of Bob Dylan, maybe even better (OH NO HE DIDN'T!:o). GET IT NOW![/QUOTE]
Joni Mitchell is vastly overrated. When you are no longer high, you will realise the idiocy of what you just said.

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve]Billy Bong Thorton?[/QUOTE]

Sorry?

I'm throwing a Taco Bell party today. Hopefully there will be a good turn out.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]Joni Mitchell is vastly overrated. When you are no longer high, you will realise the idiocy of what you just said.[/QUOTE]

People say that about Bob Dylan, but then when they actually listen to his music properly, they take it back and kill themselves for their silly hypocricy. Would you like I upload you a Joni Mitchell track and a gun?

Are you telling me I've never listened to Bob Dylan's music properly? Are you telling me in the countless hours I've spent listening to him I've never comprehended his lyrics? Are you telling me in the time I've spent poring over his words I've only been looking at the letters?

Please shut up. Bob Dylan is vastly superior to just about everyone.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]
Please shut up. Bob Dylan is vastly superior to just about everyone.[/QUOTE]

You're right.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]Are you telling me I've never listened to Bob Dylan's music properly? Are you telling me in the countless hours I've spent listening to him I've never comprehended his lyrics? Are you telling me in the time I've spent poring over his words I've only been looking at the letters?

Please shut up. Bob Dylan is vastly superior to just about everyone.[/QUOTE]

No, I am saying you never listened to Joni Mitchell properly.

[QUOTE=coheneran]People say that about Bob Dylan, but then when they actually listen to [b]his[/b] music properly, they take it back and kill themselves for their silly hypocricy. Would you like I upload you a Joni Mitchell track and a gun?[/QUOTE]
So Joni Mitchell's a he then?


I've listened to Joni Mitchell. She's nothing compared to Dylan.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]So Joni Mitchell's a he then?


I've listened to Joni Mitchell. She's nothing compared to Dylan.[/QUOTE]

Well, she's a whole different type of writing. Bob's lyrics are straight forward and to the point, he doesn't dillydally, where as Joni's lyrics are much more romantic and open to interpretation, and she tends to linger on the beauty she is describing more than the lesson/moral/point in the song. That's not to disparage her opinions or the way she delivers them, but Bob is much more "punk" and "in your face" in the way he brings across his opinions. It is like the difference between Romantics and Realists (the poet movements).

I think Joe needs a hug.

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve]I think Joe needs a hug.[/QUOTE]

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your doing that thing again.

[QUOTE=PaintJessGreen]your doing that thing again.[/QUOTE]

Doing what?

[QUOTE=coheneran]Well, she's a whole different type of writing. [b]Bob's lyrics are straight forward and to the point,[/b] he doesn't dillydally, where as Joni's lyrics are much more romantic and open to interpretation, and she tends to linger on the beauty she is describing more than the lesson/moral/point in the song. That's not to disparage her opinions or the way she delivers them, but Bob is much more "punk" and "in your face" in the way he brings across his opinions. It is like the difference between Romantics and Realists (the poet movements).[/QUOTE]
You could say that if you've only ever heard The Times They Are A-Changin'. I don't really understand how you could accuse someone who wrote [url=http://bobdylan.com/songs/desolation.html]Desolation Row[/url] and [url=http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/visionjo.html]Visions of Johanna[/url] of being too clear in his meaning.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]You could say that if you've only ever heard The Times They Are A-Changin'. I don't really understand how you could accuse someone who wrote [url=http://bobdylan.com/songs/desolation.html]Desolation Row[/url] and [url=http://orad.dent.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dylan/visionjo.html]Visions of Johanna[/url] of being too clear in his meaning.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying his stuff is all the same, but generally he is straight to the point, don't you agree? Blowing In The Wind, Don't Think Twice It's All Right, Just Like A Woman, Lay Lady Lay, Masters Of War, Maggie's Farm, Everybody Must Get Stoned (j/k-j/k), It Ain't Me Babe, I would carry on, but I think you understand my point. Now, Joni's songs are mostly very vague to the meaning of the whole, though there are smaller meaning and social comments in single lines. There are a few exceptions, as with Bob. For example, Big Yellow Taxi ("They paved paradise, put up a parking lot"), obvious. She also slips into some of her songs lines like (paraphrased, I can't remember it exactly) "They ripped off Indian lands, like they did before" but which don't dominate the whole point of the song. So you see, they are completely different writers in their styles and techniques.

[QUOTE=coheneran]I'm not saying his stuff is all the same, but generally he is straight to the point, don't you agree? Blowing In The Wind, Don't Think Twice It's All Right, Just Like A Woman, Lay Lady Lay, Masters Of War, Maggie's Farm, Everybody Must Get Stoned (j/k-j/k), It Ain't Me Babe, I would carry on, but I think you understand my point. Now, Joni's songs are mostly very vague to the meaning of the whole, though there are smaller meaning and social comments in single lines. There are a few exceptions, as with Bob. For example, Big Yellow Taxi ("They paved paradise, put up a parking lot"), obvious. She also slips into some of her songs lines like (paraphrased, I can't remember it exactly) "They ripped off Indian lands, like they did before" but which don't dominate the whole point of the song. So you see, they are completely different writers in their styles and techniques.[/QUOTE]I don't see how you could use Just Like A Woman to justify a point about Bob Dylan being straight to the point. Listen to that song again and tell me what his intention is. Whatever you think there's just as much evidence to back up an opposing point of view.

Other than that you've mainly chosen extreme examples, Masters of War is probably his most direct song and Lay Lady Lay is one of his few conventional love songs but they're by no means archetypal, in fact he all but abandoned topical songwriting early on in his career. While he moved more towards balladry post-1966 his songs are often just as obtuse as ever (The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest, Isis etc).

Joni Mitchell has been quoted as saying that A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall inspired her to be a songwriter in the first place. While they may have different styles, Bob Dylan is greater in just about every aspect.

(Fine pwned, so I will resort to deflective jokes)

He isn't as good as Joni Mitchell at being Canadian and a woman, although it would be funny to see him try.

Morning, punx.

[QUOTE=coheneran](Fine pwned, so I will resort to deflective jokes)

He isn't as good as Joni Mitchell at being Canadian and a woman, although it would be funny to see him try.[/QUOTE]
But Gordon Lightfoot's better at being Canadian than her and Patti Smith's better at being a woman.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]But Gordon Lightfoot's better at being Canadian than her and Patti Smith's better at being a woman.[/QUOTE]

Well, until there's a Gordon Lightfoot-Patti Smith hybrid, my point stands. Or until Bob Dylan takes elocution lessons to sound Canadian, goes on a hormone diet and changes his gender and citizenship.

You have to throw a dog a bone sometimes, no matter how small it is.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]You have to throw a dog a bone sometimes, no matter how small it is.[/QUOTE]

:smash:

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]You have to throw a dog a bone sometimes, no matter how small it is.[/QUOTE]
Tee hee.

Does anyone here no a band called The Bilu'im?

Saw Hostel last night.

It was excellent.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]Please shut up. Bob Dylan is vastly superior to just about everyone.[/QUOTE]

This is true.

Though Joni Mitchell is still pretty cool.

[QUOTE=ThievesandBastards]Saw Hostel last night.

It was excellent.[/QUOTE]

I must see it. Is it as br00tal as everyone says it is?

What's a good Minutemen album other than DNOTD?

[QUOTE=guns_of_brixton]What's a good Minutemen album other than DNOTD?[/QUOTE]

[I]Buzz Or Howl Under The Influence Of Heat[/I] EP is amazing. [I]What Makes A Man Start Fires?[/I] is good too. Actually, just listen to everything.

[QUOTE=guns_of_brixton]What's a good Minutemen album other than DNOTD?[/QUOTE]
There's no such thing as bad Minutemen.

Alright then. I will just listen to everything :).

[QUOTE=guns_of_brixton]What's a good Minutemen album other than DNOTD?[/QUOTE]

Paranoid Time. Their first EP, its 7 tracks and 6 minutes. Pure awesome.

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[QUOTE]Buzz Or Howl Under The Influence Of Heat EP is amazing. What Makes A Man Start Fires? is good too. Actually, just listen to everything.[/QUOTE]
Correct
[QUOTE]There's no such thing as bad Minutemen.[/QUOTE]
Correct.
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Paranoid Time. Their first EP, its 7 tracks and 6 minutes. Pure awesome.[/QUOTE]
Correct.

Minutemen are over-rated.

I just got back from the Dead Pets. It was possibly the best gig I've ever been to.

Lucky, thanks for telling me about them, they're awesome.

[QUOTE=Sid]Minutemen are over-rated.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more.

I got up on stage and sang along with with Sweeney for part of We're Coming Back. It was f[u]u[/u]cking great.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]I just got back from the Dead Pets. It was possibly the best gig I've ever been to.[/QUOTE]

What genre are they?