[quote=Bruce E Kinesis;17943367]Absolute bullpoop, but I think you know that

"in the fingers" lol, vibrates between the bridge and the fret and gets hit by the pick, where do fingers come into it[/quote]
pick attack affects tone, how you finger notes affects tone, the way you do vibrato/bendies affects tone, the way you do meedlies affects tone, how you pick/strum affects tone, etc.

for instance, whenever i do straight fast rhythms, to get a unique sound, i bash the hell out of the strings using the pick and the sides of my fingers. sure my fingers may bleed, but i like the sound i get doing it that way. when my co-guitarist plays the same progression, through my setup, sounds completely different. probably because he doesn't do the bashiddies

i'm not saying your equipment doesn't affect what you sound like, but regardless of setup, if you have your own style, it should still be apparent no matter what you play through

That might be true if there were a whole rainbow of ways to pick but there are about 5 and one of them is prohibitively painful

Whereas there are hundreds of types of guitar and thousands of types of amp

If your coguitarist chose to risk his fingernails in the way you describe it'd sound the same

[QUOTE=The Transporter;17943708]pick attack affects tone, how you finger notes affects tone, the way you do vibrato/bendies affects tone, the way you do meedlies affects tone, how you pick/strum affects tone, etc.

for instance, whenever i do straight fast rhythms, to get a unique sound, i bash the hell out of the strings using the pick and the sides of my fingers. sure my fingers may bleed, but i like the sound i get doing it that way. when my co-guitarist plays the same progression, through my setup, sounds completely different. probably because he doesn't do the bashiddies

i'm not saying your equipment doesn't affect what you sound like, but regardless of setup, if you have your own style, it should still be apparent no matter what you play through[/QUOTE]

on a fretted instrument how you finger notes does not affect tone, just pitch

pick velocity is pretty much the only other thing the player can do that affects tone in electric guitar unless you're using your hands or a bow or w/e

I dunno man, you gotta look at close up shots of hendrix and get your nails the same length if you want that TRUE hendrix tone

Hardly anything to do with the cranked marshall and the fuzz face

That actually reminds me of a joke

A man walks into a guitar shop looking for a fuzz face to sound like hendrix

and the dude in the shop says "well, reissues are useless. If you want that true hendrix tone, you need to use authentic 40 year old germanium transistors + components. We have one here, it's £350"

and the guy says

"where did hendrix get hold of 40 year old transistors?"

pick velocity is pretty much the only other thing the player can do that affects tone in electric guitar unless you're using your hands or a bow or w/e[/quote]
i was using "tone" more along the lines of "overall sound". but ya

no, i get what you mean, vibrato makes a big difference. also that sound you get from twatting the strings really hard might actually be pitch-related, seeing as anything in excess of a certain force is just gonna displace the string to the point of it being out of tune

do you live in york or go to york uni

york uni

i only go back down to london for very brief periods

for ****s sake ****ing southerners coming up here to steal our resources

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arrrrgh ****

trust me the neighbourhood kids punish me and my housemates enough

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;17943910]
"where did hendrix get hold of 40 year old transistors?"[/QUOTE]

I heard the same joke only with aged wood in Jimi's Strat. More evidence that it's all in the fingers imo.

I think the [i]personality[/i] of our playing has more of an effect on our opinion of the tone than we realize. I would include picking and fretting force in personality as well.

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944128]I heard the same joke only with aged wood in Jimi's Strat. More evidence that it's all in the fingers imo.

I think the [i]personality[/i] of our playing has more of an effect on our opinion of the tone than we realize. I would include picking and fretting force in personality as well.[/QUOTE]

again, fretting force will only affect pitch if you're playing with proper technique

We're recording drums this weekend, is this good enough?

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I only ask because I don't feel like dragging my huge rig to my drummers place

most players with memorable tone also have great technique. Is this because they learned how to dial in their amps better than us while spending so many years perfecting technique, or does technique have something to do with that more directly? It's a bit of both, sure, but which one does the [i]most[/i] for your tone?

It's kind of a "chicken or the egg?" debate.

Are you bringing some outboard pre's? Or are you only using the 8 stock pre's?

You can get by with 8, but you might want a few more if you're going for a super modern "close mic EVERYTHING" sound

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944170]most players with memorable tone also have great technique. Is this because they learned how to dial in their amps better than us while spending so many years perfecting technique, or does technique have something to do with that more directly? It's a bit of both, sure, but which one does the [i]most[/i] for your tone?

It's kind of a "chicken or the egg?" debate.[/QUOTE]
i dont think you understand what i'm saying

if you play with proper technique your left (fretting) hand shouldnt be affecting the tone apart from when using harmonics or muting

[QUOTE=JCBitB;17944173]Are you bringing some outboard pre's? Or are you only using the 8 stock pre's?

You can get by with 8, but you might want a few more if you're going for a super modern "close mic EVERYTHING" sound[/QUOTE]

Just that, I'm not sure how many mics we'll be able to get our hands on either but his kit isn't a huge lawlzerz metal kit either, 2 toms etc

I was rushing and got a bit loose with my wording, so yes, you're right. I don't really look at proper technique as "endgame" where good tone can start to develop tho, I look at technique as something you're always perfecting along with your tone. But this comes down to much more than fretting hand pressure or anything just one hand is doing, so it's my fault for oversimplifying.

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;17944188]Just that, I'm not sure how many mics we'll be able to get our hands on either but his kit isn't a huge lawlzerz metal kit either, 2 toms etc[/QUOTE]

You do want a "modern" sound tho right? By my count, you'd have room for a Kick Mic, FOK mic, Snare, 2 toms, 2 OH, and one channel left over for either under the snare, a spot mic on hats/ride, or a room mic. Not a bad place to start, although I'd have a hard time deciding which source I should use that last channel on. Maybe move FOK out a ways so it does what you'd want a room mic to do... Hard to guess, not having heard your music/drummer.

Honestly tho, with a good drummer that knows how to tune his drums, it's gonna be hard to screw it up unless you've got phase problems. Have fun man, I loooove recording drums

This will probably come in handy too, on mixdown. [url]http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/167978-drum-mixing-techniques-pros.html[/url]
That first reply is gold... Can't wait to try some of it when I get home

Thanks man. We play modern-ish rock, but not like that helps. He knows he needs new skins, not sure if he went through with it or not. This was meant to be a myspace recording thing but knowing me it's gonna be demo worthy or more hopefully (ocd). Apparently we have 5 mics plus kick and OH, so we should be able to nail a fairly good sounds recording

I don't know the exact specs on the mics we got either so once I find out I'll probably do some google hunting to see what I can do with them. I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing but it'll be trial and error for sure

Honestly below a certain level if you don't do anything stupid it'll probably sound fine

micing seperately means you can do a lot of 'repair' work with EQ and compression on individual drums

Most important thing is to get your overheads at a place you're happy with the cymbal sound, you don't have the same oppurtunities postrecording there

Oh god fingers = tone argument again? People really need to understand what actually constitutes as tone, or just read what Fingers is posting.

This is the only place on the internet I've ever heard anybody seriously try to argue than tone comes from the fingers

Tone comes from the soul, maaan.

yeah but the best player can use any soul, ur a bitch if you can only sound good with a certain soul

tone is all in the bridge. tonepros bridge.

i'm so hugely underwhelmed with the periphery cd, it's difficult to express

I always thought tone came from that little knob next to the volume :confused: