No problemo Elizabeth. I hope things go well for you. You're lucky you're stopping at 15. Good going!

[QUOTE=Jomey Banurm]The way I've been taught, the vocal cords stretch horizontally parallel to eachother until a certain point, as far as they should really be stretched, while the person is still in their chest voice. After this, they begin to vibrate only at about 3/4 of their length, then about 1/4 and then about 1/10, the pitch getting higher and higher as they switch how much is vibrating. So they go from vibrating the full length (which is 'round 3/4 of an inch for most men) to vibrating about the size of a needle. This means, generally, that any person, male or female, should be able to hit whistle notes all the way up to the 7th octave unless they have some abnormality that will prevent proper adduction and stretching of the vocal cords.

Now, whether this is in full voice or not is a matter of terminology. Do you classify full voice by resonant qualities or by what's physically going on? The latter would only attribute a full voice to 'belting', ie, stretching the cords farther than they should and not allowing them to zip up, which is oftentimes a bad, bad thing. But if you go by resonance...You can, though it takes years of serious work, take a light head voice up to make it sound as though it's being belted, and you can even make whistle notes come out with the same connection and bottom-end that you would hear in chest. Falsetto is another term that applies to different things when it comes to different people, but what I consider falsetto is a completely false use of the voice mechanism; ie, almost no pressure on the vocal cords, only getting them close enough so that passing air vibrates the folds. So it has a breathy, hissy, light, quiet, small sound. If you bring the cords together tighter and start adding in resonance from other places, you're going to be mixing and then eventually producing a full-voice tone.[/QUOTE]Oh ok then. I usually consider physical attributes when referring to full voice. Especially around here because it seems so many people are scared of the term falsetto, though I tell them that a good falsetto with resonance will sound as good as head. I seldom hear any whistle notes that have any degree of considerable resonance. Though I'm sure its possible.
I wasnt considering whistle register because its usually a hit or miss thing especially for learning students. But yea, theoretically a bass could get high whistle notes. I dont think whistle is the best for longevity or fold health but it is a nice thing to acquire use of.

[QUOTE=Elizabeth]And hey btw, I forgot to mension one pretty important thing: during the sining-break I smoked for about 1,5 years. :S Could that be also why my voice is badder now..? I haven't smoked now for over 1,5 months except sometimes when I have been drinking, but not much.[/QUOTE]
Well of course. And alcohol is a diuretic which will dry your cords out a bit. You also want to avoid caffeine. Now of course youre not gonna get nodes from simply having a cup of coffee but it is good to know so you can practice some relative moderation. You should also really look into proper food mixing as well because this will greatly affect your mucus production. I have a few words about it in the mucus section of the Voicehelp hotline if you havent been there.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]yet you want others to be bothered to repeat it all?[/QUOTE]
yes, because people already know what i want to know, thy don't need to read 30 pages to find out what they already know

Is there any sort of indicator that I am over working it because I have only just started trying to sing and I have a very weak voice and I’m not sure how far I should be pushing it?

[QUOTE=jonnyward]yes, because people already know what i want to know, thy don't need to read 30 pages to find out what they already know[/QUOTE]
Its not that, its just that why would anyone say that. I post questions like that all the time on other forums and I'm always sure to include a clause of such: " Sorry I know its been asked a million times but blah blah...???.... but I'll still be reading around the forum though."

See reply below
[QUOTE=imnotapunk]Is there any sort of indicator that I am over working it because I have only just started trying to sing and I have a very weak voice and I’m not sure how far I should be pushing it?[/QUOTE]You never want pain ever before , during or after singing or screaming, and you never want to get hoarse. If you get hoarse your cords are swollen. Over time you should build up more and more, dont try to do too much all at once. If youre hoarse you don't want to sing, at least not with much push at all.

I would suggest both of you guys look around the [URL="http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911"]voicehelp hotline. [/URL]

I have a breathing while recording question. When I sing, I breath normally and when I do it over a PA you can hardly hear the breathing through the singing. However, when I filter that through the my four track the breathing is out there and really obvious. Is there a technique I can use to cut down on breathing volume or on building bigger lungs? Singing punk music by the way.

Whats falsetto?

[QUOTE=Merkaba]Well of course. And alcohol is a diuretic which will dry your cords out a bit. You also want to avoid caffeine. Now of course youre not gonna get nodes from simply having a cup of coffee but it is good to know so you can practice some relative moderation. You should also really look into proper food mixing as well because this will greatly affect your mucus production. I have a few words about it in the mucus section of the Voicehelp hotline if you havent been there.[/QUOTE]
Okay. I'll go check that thread and thanks! :)

[QUOTE=slickathenyou]I have a breathing while recording question. When I sing, I breath normally and when I do it over a PA you can hardly hear the breathing through the singing. However, when I filter that through the my four track the breathing is out there and really obvious. Is there a technique I can use to cut down on breathing volume or on building bigger lungs? Singing punk music by the way.[/QUOTE]
If youre tense when youre singing you larynx may be partially responsible for this as its in the way. Be sure to relax and breathe in through the mouth for the most part when doing faster parts. Be sure to get a good breath before you do a line. If you've got the time you just breathe in slower through the nose. Other than that just make sure your throat is the cause for it. You could practice a bit. Then, it could be your recording levels which I know way less about. Be sure youre not using too much gain, if you have a multilevel eq try that.

[QUOTE=imnotapunk]Whats falsetto?[/QUOTE]
Think BeeGees. Or the light airy voice when a male tries to sing like a girl.

Ive read most of the vioce help hotline but im having trouble getting my head around alot of it. Im finding it hard to tell if i am singing from my gut or if im just pushing out my stomach alot. Also with rasp, am i i suppost to position my throat or keep it still.

[QUOTE=imnotapunk]Ive read most of the vioce help hotline but im having trouble getting my head around alot of it. Im finding it hard to tell if i am singing from my gut or if im just pushing out my stomach alot. Also with rasp, am i i suppost to position my throat or keep it still.[/QUOTE]You dont want to squeeze your abs...but you cant sing at all without coming from the diaphragm, or breathe at all for that matter, its just that you want to maximize the diaphrgam's work. You can't do a 10 second motorboat/lip trill without doing this. This is why i stress those above alot of other exercises. So do those on all pitches.

Dont think much about the throat. Again, do a normal note and slowly add the "annnk" wrong answer sound. You dont want to squeeze to get this. It should be a minimal feeling, without having to add extra push. Keep the note behind it.

hey guys...uhh, i pretty much suck at singing...and i'm about the only option my band has for a singer right now, so i need some big time help. we really want some vocals like rise against or aiden, but that's like impossible because im such a terrible singer. its really hard for me to describe how much i suck, so i'll post one of our songs.

here's us:
[url]www.myspace.com/faultytheband[/url]

and here's what we want:
[url]www.riseagainst.com[/url]
[url]www.aiden.org[/url]

any and all help is ****ing greatly appreciated. you have no idea how much. thanks all helpers and advisors.

good tip on getting that growl(not sure if this was posted yet sorry if it was:thumb:) my lead singer for my band drank honey before our gig to get that raspy tone.

[QUOTE=slpntrx5]hey guys...uhh, i pretty much suck at singing...and i'm about the only option my band has for a singer right now, so i need some big time help. we really want some vocals like rise against or aiden, but that's like impossible because im such a terrible singer. its really hard for me to describe how much i suck, so i'll post one of our songs.

here's us:
[url]www.myspace.com/faultytheband[/url]

and here's what we want:
[url]www.riseagainst.com[/url]
[url]www.aiden.org[/url]

any and all help is ****ing greatly appreciated. you have no idea how much. thanks all helpers and advisors.[/QUOTE]
You have no diaphragm support. Go here and read at least the "coming from the gut" thread.

[QUOTE=(H@mm3R-0f-Th3-G0D$)]good tip on getting that growl(not sure if this was posted yet sorry if it was:thumb:) my lead singer for my band drank honey before our gig to get that raspy tone.[/QUOTE]
Yet I still can't find anyone that can tell me how swallowing anything and digesting it helps with rasp. :rolleyes: It doesnt. If he can growl he probably can do it without honey. As a matter of fact I know he can. NOthing you swallow touches your cords. Thats called choking. plus who wants to rely on honey or this or that before you do a show. What if its gone or you don't have anymore.

Hello. I was wondering exactly how can I use falsetto properly? I guess what I mean is, how do I get it to sound less lifeless and more powerful. More resonance, as I read earlier in this thread. Also, is falsetto supposed to come from the gut as well, and if it does, how can I do that. When I go into falsetto now, I can feel it a lot in my throat, and I'm pretty sure I'm not doing it right. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Forlorn Hope]Hello. I was wondering exactly how can I use falsetto properly? I guess what I mean is, how do I get it to sound less lifeless and more powerful. More resonance, as I read earlier in this thread. Also, is falsetto supposed to come from the gut as well, and if it does, how can I do that. When I go into falsetto now, I can feel it a lot in my throat, and I'm pretty sure I'm not doing it right. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Don't overthink the whole coming from the gut thing. You cant breathe at all without the diaphragm. Its just phrased that way so that you concentrate more on that area than on your throat because if you concentrate more on your throat area youre prone to start squeezing things as you go. When if you dont think about it at all your cords will usually do what they need to do and the larynx as well. If you open up and relax then your pressure has to come from the diaphragm.

Its hard to talk about resonance over the net. I ususally say try to sing a light falsetto and normal note at the same time. Why not post a sample.

ok to practice singing i took one singing lesson and he gave me some breathing stuff, probally go to more soon, but ive been matching notes with my voice that i play on keyboard, and i can do that ok but when i stop playing the notes on the keyboard to see what it sounds like without it, the notes not 100 percent clear, and a little shaky, its not vibrato thought, just not staying clear, will this fix itself after time??, or is there an exercise i should do to keep it clear??

can anyone tell me what's the technique behind cookie monster vocals?
Basically how to do it.

any link will help.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]can anyone tell me what's the technique behind cookie monster vocals?
Basically how to do it.

any link will help.[/QUOTE]

wtf r u talking about? like a death metal voice?

o btw ive got a delema for u guys

in my band im the screamer but i cant sing clean vocals, what would u recommend i do?

[QUOTE=ThomasReinholder]wtf r u talking about? like a death metal voice?[/QUOTE]

yes, death metal voice.

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]ok to practice singing i took one singing lesson and he gave me some breathing stuff, probally go to more soon, but ive been matching notes with my voice that i play on keyboard, and i can do that ok but when i stop playing the notes on the keyboard to see what it sounds like without it, the notes not 100 percent clear, and a little shaky, its not vibrato thought, just not staying clear, will this fix itself after time??, or is there an exercise i should do to keep it clear??[/QUOTE]


can anyone answer this??

Can anyone give mr any recourses for excercises that help build up good chest/bass resonance?

[QUOTE=GDan]Can anyone give mr any recourses for excercises that help build up good chest/bass resonance?[/QUOTE]Its a tricky thing to talk about resonance over the internet. I know I've said that a million times.
[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]can anyone answer this??[/QUOTE]Thats a hard question to answer. Could still be your breath support, but who knows without a sample. Practice on Ah be sure your tongue is relaxed. Try pressing it against your bottom teeth kinda hard as a way to make sure youre not pulling it back. This of course is not something you would want to make a habit of. Be patient and ask your teacher about it. Nothing like personal attention. All I could say right now is be sure your bottom jaw is loose and dont worry about any other part of your mouth. Keep that attention and practice mid and lower mid Oh's and ah's, and try to sound like youre in an opera.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]can anyone tell me what's the technique behind cookie monster vocals?
Basically how to do it.

any link will help.[/QUOTE]

I just think I should warn you about that Tony Bullard thing, if anyone ever gives it to you or if you ever find it. It's incorrect, it gets results fast but ruins your voice, sounds pretty bad and [I]is not [/I]the way it is done traditionally. I recommend you listen to Deicide's first album, then their latest. It shows how he uses less rasp on the early ones so you can hear how an "intermediate" growling voice should sound.

Have I got this right? I have only been practising for about a week and I couldn’t really tell what you meant by not singing from your throat when I first started. Well this how it feels for me, there seems to be a upper and lower bit of my throat. The lower one seems as that’s where im meant to be singing from and the upper one acts more as a reflex action which I need to learn to relax other wise it restricts the air flow.

[QUOTE=Toaster]I just think I should warn you about that Tony Bullard thing, if anyone ever gives it to you or if you ever find it. It's incorrect, it gets results fast but ruins your voice, sounds pretty bad and [I]is not [/I]the way it is done traditionally. I recommend you listen to Deicide's first album, then their latest. It shows how he uses less rasp on the early ones so you can hear how an "intermediate" growling voice should sound.[/QUOTE]

Oh thanks, i just bought their first album and the Best of.

How do you get vibrato into your voice? There is absolutely no sign of vibrato in my voice.

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]How do you get vibrato into your voice? There is absolutely no sign of vibrato in my voice.[/QUOTE]

Keep singing normally. Once you get your voice strong it will come naturally.

[QUOTE=panthersfan16]Keep singing normally. Once you get your voice strong it will come naturally.[/QUOTE]


Yay no work involved :chug:

Actually its kind of the opposite but hey, :cheers:

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]How do you get vibrato into your voice? There is absolutely no sign of vibrato in my voice.[/QUOTE]
vibrato is a by-product of relaxed isolated singing and proper breath support(diaphragm....yawn). If youre tensing the larynx or overblowing you can chalk it up. It really is rather independent of strength but directly related to proper technique. Practice Ah's. Can't get more open and relaxed than that. Go limp(relax everything, including your eyebrows and your as[I]s[/I]hole), drop the bottom jaw a bit like its on a hinge, and hold it at speaking pitch. Wonder why your doctor tells you to say ah and not E? Because it naturally relaxes the larynx and opens your throat up...so he can see in.

hello merkeba...i just want to know why it hurts my throat and i push too much force when i sing..ive tried to avoid it but i cudnt..can u tell me how i can?and how i can sing freely..

and plus now a days i find myself yawning when i sing...im in a band..

Hey,
I have been working on screaming like Keith Buckley from Every Time I Die, but my problem is, I have like next to little volume when I try to do it, like it comes out a whisper. And when I try to push it further it goes almost clean and sounds dorky. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks

[QUOTE=eleesar]hello merkeba...i just want to know why it hurts my throat and i push too much force when i sing..ive tried to avoid it but i cudnt..can u tell me how i can?and how i can sing freely..[/QUOTE]
Gotta get to work. But if it hurts youre doing something dead wrong. Either pushing too much and/or tensing up the throat. You should practice singing a song by using all "ah's" as the words...and if its high stay an octave lower. And not so loud. Sounds corney but it helps. Sooner or later youre gonna have to find a way to seperate and isolate the cords from the throat and get a feel for being able to create a note without forcing anything, and being able to hold that note while increasing push from the diaphragm, which isnt connecting to the throat. Many people make the mistake of "pushing" the throat(tensing up) when they try to push out a note. Probably one of the most commona vocal mistakes.


[QUOTE=MetalicVampire]Hey,
I have been working on screaming like Keith Buckley from Every Time I Die, but my problem is, I have like next to little volume when I try to do it, like it comes out a whisper. And when I try to push it further it goes almost clean and sounds dorky. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Can you sing? Post a sample. You need singing breath support. If you can hold a high note with the gut then screaming is next to nothing. I guarantee you either your singing notes have no support or youre tensing up the throat so much your cords cant even vibrate properly and/or consistently enough to get a good tone

Gotta get to work for now.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]vibrato is a by-product of relaxed isolated singing and proper breath support(diaphragm....yawn). If youre tensing the larynx or overblowing you can chalk it up. It really is rather independent of strength but directly related to proper technique. Practice Ah's. Can't get more open and relaxed than that. Go limp(relax everything, including your eyebrows and your as[I]s[/I]hole), drop the bottom jaw a bit like its on a hinge, and hold it at speaking pitch. Wonder why your doctor tells you to say ah and not E? Because it naturally relaxes the larynx and opens your throat up...so he can see in.[/QUOTE]


i'll try that, jeez you know alot about singing.

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91]i'll try that, jeez you know alot about singing.[/QUOTE]
Actually around here I'm usually repeating one of three or four things for the most part, just from a different perspective. But thanks anyways. I just try to share what I know. :wave:

[QUOTE=MetalicVampire]Hey,
I have been working on screaming like Keith Buckley from Every Time I Die, but my problem is, I have like next to little volume when I try to do it, like it comes out a whisper. And when I try to push it further it goes almost clean and sounds dorky. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

His screaming technique really isn't that good at all... he just raises his voice to the point where it starts cracking.

He used to do that. He screams properly now, though.