are songs like:
4 whom the bell tolls
sad but true
minus human

doom metal?
I really like those songs and they're a bit slower and chunkier

Doom metal:

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[QUOTE=Jondur]Doom metal:

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cheers dude :thumb:

[QUOTE=omicron458]what about power metal i wanna know about power metal[/QUOTE]
listen to:

Hammerfall
Helloween
Stratovarius
Dream Evil
Lost Horizon (although they claim to play True metal, it's clearly power!)
Blind Guardian
Sonata Arctica
Rhapsody
Luca Turilli
Persuader
Dragonforce

In no particular order, those are some of my favourite power metal bands.

Power metal is highly melodic and often has folk influences. The lyrics can be mythological (kings, dragons, heroes etc.). It's concentrated around a fast guitar riff, often accompanied by keyboards, and 80% of the time, fast double-bass drumming. Vocals are clean and high-pitched screams are abundant. Some bands like to 'dress up' for gigs.

My opinion: extremely corny (in the 'run-around-the-forest-with-a-cardboard-sword' way), but once you get past that, the music can be impressive and very enjoyable.

One exception to the cornyness is Sonata Arctica, whose lyrics are more love-themed (and the singer has an inch-thick finnish accent, so 'time' becomes 'daim' etc. :p ). Rhapsody are by far the corniest power metal band. Dragonforce are worth checking out, just for the extremely fast riffing over blast-beat drumming. I could go on.

PS. this was written with a fairly bad hangover, so please excuse any factual errors, typos, misconceptions etc. etc. :thumb:

[opinion]who gives a **** it all sucks anyway[/opinion]

blind guardian is power metal?all of the song are acoustic and real good at the beginning and in the middle it's really soft metal.now Hammerfall play true power metal but not blind guardian unless someone can tell me what are the band's heaviest song...

the old stuff of blind guardian is power metal

blind guardian are more or less credited for starting power metal along with helloween. so there.

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]At the request of the mods, I'm making this thread to get stickied. Seeing as how there are numerous threads asking "What's the difference between genre X and genre Y?", hopefully this will curb some of those. NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. I think most people here know my main area of interest is death and black metal so if you disagree with some of my opinions or band lists...fine.

[U]Traditional heavy Metal[/U]
This is kind of a "catch all". There are plenty of sub-genres, but there are lots of bands that don't fit any sub-genre and can't really be called anything except "heavy metal". This can be basically anything from the old school British heavy metal invation to the newer stuff coming out today (not to be confused with nu-metal). This is what most people think of when they hear "Power metal" or such terms. Lots of different styles can be considered traditional heavy metal. Some bands: Iron Maiden, Judas Preist, Iced Earth, Godsmack, Manowar, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall etc etc etc etc.

[U]Thrash metal[/U]
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.

[U]Doom Metal[/U]
Where thrash metal concentrates on being fast and aggressive, doom concentrates on being slower, lower and groovier. Many consider Black Sabbath to be the fathers of doom. Typically the music is slow and heavy. Guitars are tuned down and the vocals are usually clean, although growls do slip in on occasion. Also, while death and black metal are generally more aggressive lyrically, doom metal is very meloncholic, depressive and gives an extremly dark vibe. The music can range quite a bit from the extremely slloooooow all clean vocals, to the faster (but still relatively slow) doom/death bands. Check out [url]http://www.doom-metal.com[/url] for some good information and a pretty large list of bands. Key bands: Candlemass, St. Vitus, Unsilence, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost etc etc.

[U]Death Metal[/U]
Death metal is the opposite end of the spectrum from doom metal. There are a few different schools of death metal. Generally speaking though, the music is fast, aggressive, low. The bass line is usually more pronounced than in other metal sub-genres. The vocal style is trademark to death metal. Usually vocals are growled or grunted. Blast beat drums are very prevalent. The most common misconception is that death metal is all about death and gore and killing and the likes. This is most certainly not the case. While many bands do sing about this type of thing, there are tons of great bands that do not limit themselves to lyrics like that. Lyrics can range to include religion, spirituality, fantasy and beyond. The music can range from the very aggressive and brutal (Aborted, Iniquity, Suffocation) to the more melodic (Ebony Tears, At The Gates) to the very technical (Atheist, Cynic). Key bands: Lykathea Aflame, Mithras, Morbid Angel, Behemoth (older stuff was black metal), Opeth, Immolation, Blood Red Throne, Entombed, Unleashed, Sinners Bleed.

[U]Melodic death metal[/U]
An obvious sub-genre to death metal, it's becoming popular enough that I think it deserves it's own little section. Basically, it incorporates more melody. What it lacks in brutallity, it more than makes up for in melodic grooves. The vocals are typically not as harsh, there may or may not be as many blast beats. Key Bands: At The Gates, In Flames, Ebony Tears, Carcass (Heartwork mainly), Aeternus, Amon Amarth, Kalmah, Norther.

[U]Black Metal[/U]
My own personaly favorite and particular area of expertise. Black metal and death metal are quite closely related. While death is focused on the shear brutallity, black metal is focused more on creating atmosphere. The music is typically higher pitched with less of a bass line. Some bands incorporate the use of keyboards or synthesizers. The production is quite often pretty bad giving it a raw or "trOO necro" quality. Tremelo picking abounds, blast beats are not as prevalent as in death metal but are still there quite often. The vocals are generally high pitched shreiked or screamed. The music can range from the "trOO necro" bands (Darkthrone) to the more melodic (Naglfar) to the very sophisticated orchestral atmospheric (Arcturus). A common misconception about black metal is that all the bands are Satanist and sing about Satan. While many bands are Satanic or anti-christian (note the distinct difference), that is not the case with all black metal bands. Lyrics can range from Satanic to fantasy to witchcraft to just about anything. Many black metal bands are very paganistic in ideology and see the christian church as an intruder in their native lands, leading to the very deep seeded hatred for christianity. Unfortunately, black metal also has a sub-genre known as NSBM. National Socialist Black Metal. While I do listen to quite a few of those bands because I like the music, lyrically many black metal bands are very racist against not only Blacks or Jews, but anyone of non-aryan decent. Key bands: Burzum, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Nargaroth, Emperor, Bathory, Immortal, Beherit, Graveland, Gorgoroth, Moonblood, Samael.

[U]Progressive metal[/U]
A newer genre (relatively speaking), prog metal incorporates the general aggression of heavy metal with the progressive rock sound of the late 70's. Generally speaking, the music has lots of different aspects including key and time changes, unique riffing and such. The level of musicianship is typically extremly high. Dream Theater is by far the most popular band in this genre. The music is generally quite technical. Key Bands: Dream Theater, Queensryche, Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink, Aghora, Gordian Knot, Racer X.

[U]Nu-metal[/U]
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a [i]general[/i] guideline for the noob who's just getting into metal that otherwise would have posted a "What's the difference" thread. Feel free to agree or disagree. With any genre, there are bands that cross over and blur the lines. Your best bet if you're new to any genre of metal is to go out find a list of bands in the genre you're interested in. Download a couple songs from a bunch of different bands and then make your own distinctions.[/QUOTE] There just a kind of metal you forgot, Speed Metal ; I can't tell you more than its the kind that metallica use, not thrash metal :thumb:

someone explain to me wut exactly is nu-metal and bands would be classifed nu-metal

ehh nvm just saw a reply....

There are tonnes of other genres.. There are the better known ones I could name some other genres NWOBHM, doom, gothic, metalcore, hardcore, just a few others this list was very good, Just I dont like how you all bash new metal..I mean I only like LP, SOAD and Slipknot, but I think these bands are quite good, simplistic yes, but I like the way it sounds, but hey I mean the drumming in the Berzerker is simplistic but it sounds good anyways Good list Legion

Nu metal is stuff like slipknot, system, all the mainstream metal that is hated.

Metal is cool
 

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]Nu metal is stuff like slipknot, system, all the mainstream metal that is hated.[/QUOTE]
Do y'all think that korn is metal???? cause i know some pple who dont and some who do and i donno i think they are but what do u pple think???? :confused: :confused:

[QUOTE=listen2korn666]Do y'all think that korn is metal???? cause i know some pple who dont and some who do and i donno i think they are but what do u pple think???? :confused: :confused:[/QUOTE]

Korn is nu-metal, to me at least. They helped start the whole thing, though most of the bands to follow were quite different.

Omg
 

[QUOTE=epifreak2002]^You just described punk.[/QUOTE]

Look. People can describe anything and mean it for one thing, and people take it another way. Accept it.
:D
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=Red]ciao[/COLOR][/FONT]

Ok. That was a great analysis on that, but why bother? People complained before, so you wrote that, and now your just going to get bugged more on other peoples opinions. So you're in for the long haul

is old man's child melodic death or black metal?? ive been trying to figure that out for forever! no one can give a definite answer awesome list

i love old mans child

I love all the different genre definitions of metal.

Once you get into sub-sub-genres of sub-genres, it gets pretty fascinating. I try to get into new genres all the time to see what they're like.

Great work on the definitions, they're helpful and pretty **** accurate. :)

[U]Nu-metal[/U]
Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.

yes i agree that nu-metal should be a seperate genre, but i disagree about the band selection. first papa roach IS NOT METAL! now there are plenty of other bands thats should go in this genre. mudvayne definately does not belong. they are rarely played on the radio and they are definately not mainstream. now ive noticed that you forgot one important genre, Industrial Metal. this would include bands such as Rammstien and many others. now this is only my opinion. i dont mean to disrespect you. Thank You.

Read the friggin thread before posting! Thank you.

[QUOTE]blind guardian are more or less credited for starting power metal along with helloween. so there.[/QUOTE]

Er...can you say Dio?

Per Ardua is right, i guess Dio Is power metal in a certain kind of way

Dio inspired Power Metal, didn't start it. Anyways, it's not like we're ever gonna agree here...

right.... :lol:

BTW, i've listened to the first album of Darkthrone and it seems they're playing doom metal specially Neptune Towers.so, do the play doom metal or black metal?

Darkthrone are a black metal band.

Actually, Bartender, you are only partially right.
The first album, "Soulside Journey" which RivFader is talking about is actually Death/Doom metal.
Other than the first album, all the other albums are black metal.

Very very very conclusive man
:thumb:

Hey everyone, this is my first post on this site and I hope to have many more following it. I am not a musician, yet, but only because I have no money to pay for lessons or instruments, I hope to be a drummer when I get the money, focusing especially on double bass kick with high beats per minute (I am already undergoing endurance/speed training for my arms and legs especially so I can jump start myself to double bass kick as quickly as possible).

My current passion is discovering, listening to and discussing metal, drums and metal bands. I am trying to keep a running total of how many bands that I actually can say I listen to. What I need from you, the public, is to help me add to this list, based on the current tastes obviously shown by this list. I also welcome critisism and corrections on my list because I know for sure that I am wrong about some things on it. I hope by the time I start to learn how to drum I do live up to the name: MetalGuru.

Try to put up with what ever gross improportions or errors put on here, but make no mistake, I am a REAL metal fan, I listen to metal about 10-15 hours a day (yes I have calculated it), but I have never really had a chance to discuss it with real metal fans since non of my friends are metal heads like me. This would be the reason for any misconceptions I have on types or bands. With that said, here's the list:

Note: If bands are refered to be split into "stages" it is because they changed their style drastically at one or two points in their careers and I feel that it would need clarification between the stages to describe the type of metal. Moreover, you may notice the heavy use of Symphonic, I think anything using keys could be described as Symphonic, even though with the different levels of key use it could be said to be either Symphonic, Melodic or even Industrial.

My Favorites
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Bands: Dimmu Borgir, Opeth, Amon Amarth, Graveworm, Fear Factory, Children of Bodom

Types: Black, Death, Progressive, Nu, Industrial, Heavy

(Mainstream/Mainstream Sounding) Metal (expect errors to be in this section)
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Atreyu (pop screemo metal)
Dark Army
Enter My Silence
Godsmack
iLL NiNo
Kitty
LostProphets (emo rock)
Machinehead
Metallica
Mudvayne
Seether
Slipknot
Static-X
Stone Sour
Sugar Coma
Tool
Hatebreed (hardcore?)


Death Metal
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Flagband(s): Morbid Angel, Fear Factory (slightly, slightly symphonic, first stage only)

Amon Amarth (Melodic)
Anasarca
Beheaded
Cannibal Corpse (DeathGore-Metal)
Corpse Vomit
Children of Bodom (Swedish DM?, does not sound AT ALL like Death Metal, only band with keys that I wouldn't consider "Symphonic")
Chronic Disorder
Curriculum Mortis (Melodic)
Dimmak
Fleshtized
Guidance of Sin (Melodic)
Iniquity
Nephasth
Panzerchrist
Taetre (somewhat melodic)
Thalarion (Symphonic Melodic and (somewhat) Epic)

Black Metal
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Flagband(s): Dimmu Borgir (Symphonic, first stage = true BM)

Agathodaimon (Symphonic)
Bathory
Cathedral (Symphonic)
Cradle of Filth (Symphonic)
Dark Funeral (Symphonic)
Graveworm (Symphonic, my current favorite)
Kovenant (Symphonic, first stage = true BM)
Old Man's Child (Symphonic?)
Pik (Doom Rock)
Rotting Christ (Symphonic)
Wolfheart (thrash)

Thrash Metal
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Flagband(s): Meshuggah (Progressive Technical)

Darkane (Heavy Progressive Technical)
The Haunted (Heavy)

Nu-Metal(can be described as Nu because it is popular, but this SOUND can also be achieved by much less popular bands, keep that in mind. Also keep mind that I wouldn't be surprised if half these bands ARE actually Nu-Metal in Europe. I prefer mainstream over Nu to describing pop metal, because really, what is popular is culture specific, it could be different in another country)
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Disturbed
Fear Factory (heavy industrial, technical, more symphonic, transition stage and third stage only)
In Flames
Jerkstore
Korn(rock then?)
Mevadio
Mnemic (heavy, hybrid, progressive fast fusion, huge variety of heavy styles)
Raunchy
Sacrificial
Seether
System of a Down (punkishly hardcore)
Withering Surface (thrash)

Progressive
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Opeth (pseudo BM, real type=progressive dark emo with true BM sound, roughly 50 percent of their music is not ENTIRELY metal through the whole song, while about 10 percent is not metal at all, strange band)

Indie-Metal
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Kloak

Psychedelic Metal (yes this is an actual type)
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Apex Theory
Alchemist

Heavy Metal
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Artillery
Fight (rock)
Heaven's Cry
Symphony X

Rock-Rap
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Flag band(s): Cypresshill (final stage)

Kush
Limp Bizkit

Power Metal
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DragonForce (this band is the reason I DON'T like Power Metal)

Other/Bands I don't know much of but still like
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Gwar
Mushroomhead
Super Joint Ritual
Lamb of God
Melvins
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
Buruzia (is that spelt right, features drummer from Fear Factory?)

I know OF many other bands (both popular and underground) but they aren't worth it to list on here because I know so little of them.



That's the list, I welcome any and all comments, privately and publically, since my only goal in life at the moment is to further my knowledge and correctness on metal and metal culture.

ANYONE WITH GOOD SYMPHONIC BLACK METAL (better or as good as Graveworm or Dimmu Borgir) OR REALLY HARD HITTING NU-METAL (better or as good as Mnemic or System of a Down) CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY WITH THE NAMES. ALSO ANYONE WITH ANY MUSIC THAT SOUNDS LIKE AMON AMARTH AND CURRICULUM MORTIS OR OPETH OR CHILDREN OF BODOM ALSO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY.

Oh, were to begin.... I'm just reserveng this space, I'll make a more descriptive post as soon as I find the time, but the most important ones that sprung into my eyes:
Korn are not hardcore
Keys do not make metal symphonic. Bands like COF and Graveworm do not play symphonic.
Mnemic, In Flames, Withering Surface etc. are not nu-metal bands.
Disturbed, however fit nicely in nu.

That's just a quick few ;)
other than that, welcome and such!

MetalGuru: I don't see how Opeth can be described as emo-ish other than some emo kids listen to their acoustic work.

To find about more bands, I suggest listening to internet radio (Snakenet is my fav).

It seems you know too much about metal already tho...

I'd say bathory is black metal, and sabbath is doom metal.

[QUOTE=$yk0_H]Oh, were to begin.... I'm just reserveng this space, I'll make a more descriptive post as soon as I find the time, but the most important ones that sprung into my eyes:
Korn are not hardcore
Keys do not make metal symphonic. Bands like COF and Graveworm do not play symphonic.
Mnemic, In Flames, Withering Surface etc. are not nu-metal bands.
Disturbed, however fit nicely in nu.

That's just a quick few ;)
other than that, welcome and such![/QUOTE]

Thanks for helping me out, I was not surprised at some of these errors, and also glad that I knew what I was talking about when it came to most of my favorite bands since they were not commented on. I do disagree on some points, and I also have questions regarding your corrections. To start, Mnemic has been described as nu-metal before, I'm sure it is to the Danish people, although I don't know for sure. But I would not be surprised if they weren't because really I cannot tell what type of metal they are, they just kick *** and they *sound* quite mainstream, if you know what I am trying to say there. But then again, what is Nu-Metal, alot of people have mixed opinons on that, can someone describe it and Mnemics type to me in COMPLETE CLARITY?

First Question would be, what would call a band that used keys like Dimmu Borgir Graveworm and Cradle of Filth. I strongly disagree that Graveworm is not symphonic since they have huge symphonies as intros (Dreaming Beauty?) or as whole songs(Ceremonial Requiem?), and I swear I hear synthesized symphony coming from the keys in pretty much every song, or is that something else? Cradle of Filth I agree isn't symphonic if I am right in what I now think is symphonic. They just really have organ in that. But also, am I wrong in what I think is Symphonic? If what is Symphonic is what is played in Progenies of the Great Apocalypse(Dimmu Borgir - DCA), then I can see where you are coming from.

Secondly, what is the difference between black and doom? I am not completely sure on what doom metal is.

I am really shakey on what Fear Factory would be described as, if there was such a title that meant Industrial Melodic Technical Death Metal that is what I guess it would be. Or is it something else?

Furthermore, if In Flames and Withering Surface are not Nu, what are they? I was shakey on them because I don't listen to In Flames as much and I could never tell what Withering Surface was.

[QUOTE=The_Mutato]MetalGuru: I don't see how Opeth can be described as emo-ish other than some emo kids listen to their acoustic work.

To find about more bands, I suggest listening to internet radio (Snakenet is my fav).

It seems you know too much about metal already tho...[/QUOTE]

As for your comment, Mutato, Opeth is DARK emo (sometimes confused with BM type lyrics??). Maybe not entirely but if you read the lyrics to like half their songs they talk about lost love and about wanting to die or sometimes both. Is that not as emo as it gets? If I am right in trying to understand what the songs are saying, refer to In My Time of Need (****ation), To Rid The Disease (****ation), Hope Leaves (****ation), A Fair Judgement (Deliverance) and Face of Melinda(Still Life) for examples, and thats just to name a few.

I await your replies.

I am going to update the list.

Ha it bleeped out the album titles.
its supposed to say Dam nation

the best type of rock is zakk wylde, ozzy osbourne and co tho, whos every1 elses?

[QUOTE]ANYONE WITH GOOD SYMPHONIC BLACK METAL[/QUOTE]

Arcturus-Aspera Heims Synfonia
Blood Stained Dusk-Dirge of Death's silence
Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse
Emperor-Anthems to the welkin at dusk

All are top notch symphonic black metal albums.

[QUOTE]First Question would be, what would call a band that used keys like Dimmu Borgir Graveworm and Cradle of Filth. I strongly disagree that Graveworm is not symphonic since they have huge symphonies as intros (Dreaming Beauty?) or as whole songs(Ceremonial Requiem?), and I swear I hear synthesized symphony coming from the keys in pretty much every song, or is that something else? Cradle of Filth I agree isn't symphonic if I am right in what I now think is symphonic. They just really have organ in that. But also, am I wrong in what I think is Symphonic? If what is Symphonic is what is played in Progenies of the Great Apocalypse(Dimmu Borgir - DCA), then I can see where you are coming from.

Secondly, what is the difference between black and doom? I am not completely sure on what doom metal is.

I am really shakey on what Fear Factory would be described as, if there was such a title that meant Industrial Melodic Technical Death Metal that is what I guess it would be. Or is it something else?

Furthermore, if In Flames and Withering Surface are not Nu, what are they? I was shakey on them because I don't listen to In Flames as much and I could never tell what Withering Surface was.[/QUOTE]

Ok, Symphonic black metal is more melodic black with extensive use of keyboards in the music. (see Arcturus, and Emperor). I haven't heard enough Graveworm to be able to tell you if they are symphonic or not but i can tell you that Dimmu Borgir are symphonic black metal and Cradle of Filth are not.

Secondly, Doom metal is metal usually played at slow tempos. If you listen to the band My Dying Bride you will understand what i mean. The point of doom metal nowadays is to basically set an atmosphere of depression and sadness. The vocals are usually growls.

Key albums...
My Dying Bride-As the flower withers
My Dying Bride-The Angel and the Dark River
Virgin Black-Elegant...and dying.

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Arcturus-Aspera Heims Synfonia
Blood Stained Dusk-Dirge of Death's silence
Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse
Emperor-Anthems to the welkin at dusk

All are top notch symphonic black metal albums.



Ok, Symphonic black metal is more melodic black with extensive use of keyboards in the music. (see Arcturus, and Emperor). I haven't heard enough Graveworm to be able to tell you if they are symphonic or not but i can tell you that Dimmu Borgir are symphonic black metal and Cradle of Filth are not.

Secondly, Doom metal is metal usually played at slow tempos. If you listen to the band My Dying Bride you will understand what i mean. The point of doom metal nowadays is to basically set an atmosphere of depression and sadness. The vocals are usually growls.

Key albums...
My Dying Bride-As the flower withers
My Dying Bride-The Angel and the Dark River
Virgin Black-Elegant...and dying.[/QUOTE]

Listen to Graveworm - Dreaming to Reality, I think it is QUITE symphonic, I'd compare Graveworm and some of Dimmu Borgir's songs.

now im too f'in lazy to read this whole thread...
system of a down is sort of nu metal...but theyre music also crosses over to alot of other genre's...but their basic fist pumpin **** is diffently nu metal
now hardcore/metalcore is diffently part of the metal genre. bands like as i lay dying, everytime i die, evergreen terrece, killswitch engage, blood has been shed, bleeding through, are good examples of metalcore. [url]www.hxc.com[/url] does a good job on describing the difference between hardcore's sub-genres.
but for this explination...very good f'in job.
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