thats true but slipknot is the kind of band that really just doesnt give a f*** about anything or especially what people think.

yes they do lol

[QUOTE=evilmenhavenosongs]Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that they shouldn't do it if they want to, it just seems rather pointless and juvenile to me and stops people who might otherwise be fans from getting into their music.[/QUOTE]

I guess they accomplished what they wanted to by wearing them.They wore them as an anti image or so they say.I never bought it but after reading your post I see how it does work as an anti-image.The masks really kept all the people that stay care about a bands image away.

[QUOTE=evilmenhavenosongs]I'm also still not understanding the masks thing; they didn't want to be known for theit image in the music industry so they wear masks which are far more noticable than their faces and always make a big fuss out of the unveiling of the new masks when they don't care about their image. if they were so worried about not being recognised in Iowa why do they still need the masks now they have security and the like unless they're worried their fanbase will desert them if they lose the masks?

I don't understand the "maggot" thing either, is it not enough to say that you are a fan of a band, or that they are your favourite band without likening yourself to a bug?

I was polite and all, more polite than I usually would have een so I expect not to be flamed back if you please.[/QUOTE]

Well, they obvously arent hiding themselves because they did go on to do side projects unmasked.It started as an anti-image but turned into an image once they grew popular.No one cant deny it gets then alot of attention.But they havent used them as money advances whatsoever.Kiss for example, used their image and put it on everything marketable.They have their faces on everything.I have yet to see or hear about Slipknot action figures or Slipknot bubble gum.They have an image that can make them bank, but they have stayed focused solely on the music.You wont see them signing huge endorsements with Calvin Klien like some unmasked rockers have.The mask/coverall thing kinda keeps them grounded when it comes to that kind of stuff.

As for the maggot thing.It was a name given to the fans by the band.People think its stupid as hell to give your fans pet names, but I think its brilliant.Heres why, if you look at other fanbases, you may find that the bands that give their fans a special name have the most loyal followings in music.Greatful Dead has the Deadheads, Kiss has the Kiss Army, ICP has the Juggalos, so on.I dont know why they are all so loyal.I guess it has a psychological effect on them.Slipknot knew what they were doing when they decided to call their fans maggots.Its a great marketing scheme.Its obvously working.Because of the whole maggot thing, Slipknot fans put intellect aside and just became loyal followers.Blind followers on some occasions.Do you think Slipknot gives 2 ****s about having dumb fans?


[QUOTE=Paranoidd]I got a promo of "pulse of the maggots" about a month before the album came out, and I had an opposite experience...my jaw hit the floor alright, but it was more like "what is this crap?"

If they're going to release promos, don't use the weakest track on the album :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You said it yourself, people were gonna by the thing anyway.Besides, Pulse of the Maggots is closer to old Slipknot than the rest of the cd is.Do you think putting Vermilion pt.2 or Circle as a promo would have been a wiser move?Obvously not.

Slipknot first started wearing masks just for fun, even when they were just starting out. It isn't really a big dumb goth thing, it was just a profitable comment for them to make at the time. A thing a lot of people have to understand is that producers greatly influence the sound of a band. MFKR is much different from the s/t and Iowa. Chances are that they figured that the best way to make heavy music and sell records at the same time was to go "hardcore". Young people don't want to hear real musicianship these days. If you put Steve Vai in front of nearly any 15 year old, he'll tell you to bug off and give him some Linkin Park or Good Charolette. Slipknot's entry into mainstream was heavy, blistering "noise". And I love it. It's nuts and it's angry and I can't help but like it. I like soft jazz, too. Not every Slipknot fan is retarded. I like all kinds of music, including "real metal". Mick may not be the greatest guitarist ever, but I'll tell you this, if Malmsteen were in Slipknot, he'd sound nearly identical to Mick because the producers would never give him the choice to make "good" music.

Slipknot would put really melodic stuff together if it would sell to their fanbase, but it wouldn't, so they won't. For all I know, 50 cent likes can shred like Randy Rhoads. But he'd never let anyone know because his fanbase wouldn't allow it. Think about it: If Slipknot put a real solo in one of their songs, most maggots would call it crap and not buy their stuff. Slipknot can say they are anti-image all they want, and say that they don't care about selling albums, but if that were true, then they wouldn't charge so much for merch and make so many t-shirts. They want to sell ablums and make money-- nearly every band does.

Recently they've been able to grow and write music that makes sense, but the sad truth is that they won't sell to their fanbase without sacrificing musicianship. Linkin Park has sold 25 million albums, and I can garuntee that I could hire people out of music stores to play their concerts. Real music just doesn't sell to the younger crowd anymore.


And by the way, spouting "Slipknot sux" in a Slipknot topic in now way at all puts you in a position above them. At least one person had the common sense to list reasons for his dislike of the band, and I commend him for it. But still, you shouldn't post anti-Slipknot messages in a pro-Slipknot thread. It's like going to church and telling people why Jesus is bad. You're just asking for trouble. And if by chance I said something really dumb, my bad. I'm tired, and I had a difficult day.

hmm..your`e right, but in many songs Sid do many things with his turnetables but you cant hear it so well..it lays in the background , but on Spit It Out he has a very cool (thats what i mean) solo thing :D ... i do agree that craig does nearly nothing...

Many people missunderstands the name "maggots" they think slipknot doesent care about their fans (that is very wrong) all members in slipknot cares very,very much for all their fans and they said that without their fans they wouldnt be what they are today...

(i dont say you people do)

craig does alot you just dont kno where his parts are

Then whats the point of having him?

Slipknot's terrible. Except for Duality, that's quite allright.

Duality is one of their worst songs.

Have you heard MFKR?

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]Then whats the point of having him?[/QUOTE]

Until Volume 3, I had the same attitude. Craig was always seen headbanging, and not even moving his hands...so it's not like he was doing something whilst headbanging.

He got a keyboard for Volume 3, and actually uses it. Jordan Rudess, he's not, but at least he serves more of a purpose now than before.

Sid, on the other hand...he does even less than Craig from what I hear...

[quote]Slipknot's terrible. Except for Duality, that's quite allright.[/quote]

This is the kind of thing we're talking about. Going into pro-band threads to bash them. I don't particularly like Iron Maiden, but I'm not going into that thread and telling them how I don't like them, now do I?

sid AND craig do something in almost every song, and the ones the dont, they just headbang but so what?

slipn=knot has got to be one of the gayest bands i have ever listened to

Which masks do you like better, the old ones or the new ones? i personally like the old ones better.

It all depends on the lighting, the mood, the photography....
Some new ones, like Mick's and Joey's, albeit similiar, just look better.

[QUOTE=rjdxjpp]slipn=knot has got to be one of the gayest bands i have ever listened to[/QUOTE]


No.


[quote]Which masks do you like better, the old ones or the new ones? i personally like the old ones better.[/quote]

I like all of the new ones, except Sid's. I think it looks too generic...I liked his Iowa one alot though.

Hey, I don't know if you guys know yet, I didn't look through to find out, but Slipknot has a video for Vermilion out. Just thought i'd let you know in case you ddn't.

[QUOTE=MuDvAyNe3B]sid AND craig do something in almost every song, and the ones the dont, they just headbang but so what?[/QUOTE]

So...whats the point of having them there if they just jump around?

[QUOTE]Which masks do you like better, the old ones or the new ones? i personally like the old ones better.[/QUOTE]

i like mick and paul's new ones, but i like cory's and james old ones more.

i didnt like either of shawn or sid's masks, and chris and craig are basically the same. i like joeys new one too

[QUOTE=MuDvAyNe3B] i like cory's and james old ones more.

i didnt like either of shawn or sid's masks, and chris and craig are basically the same. i like joeys new one too[/QUOTE]

I agree. :thumb: Cory's old one was much better, and Joey's new one is incredible as well

Slipknot are a very good band and Joey is a wicked awsome drummer.
But i think with like 5 guitarist they could of come up with better guitaring.
(Sic) and Wait and Bleed are both very good songs.

Five?

Try two.

the old masks were definetly better in most cases. Corey's new mask just looks stupid. I was reading some interview and Joey said that they were supposed to looked aged or something, but I don't see that. Oh, and I think Clown should die. He is a pointless member, and a dumbass.

Hey, anyone know how to play Snap on drums? :confused:
email me if ya do@ [email]metalmulisharocks2000@yahoo.com[/email]

[QUOTE=xXMurder_DollxX]the old masks were definetly better in most cases. Corey's new mask just looks stupid. I was reading some interview and Joey said that they were supposed to looked aged or something, but I don't see that. Oh, and I think Clown should die. He is a pointless member, and a dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah!

[QUOTE=xXMurder_DollxX]the old masks were definetly better in most cases. Corey's new mask just looks stupid. I was reading some interview and Joey said that they were supposed to looked aged or something, but I don't see that. Oh, and I think Clown should die. He is a pointless member, and a dumbass.[/QUOTE]

You have a Kittie avatar.All the members are pointless.They can barely hold up their instruments much less play them.Therefore, shut up.

[QUOTE]Five?

Try two.[/QUOTE]

well theres 2 guitarists in the band but i know that Joey and Corey play guitar, and Paul played guitar for a real long time before he started bass. So they could have given some input to mick and james. idk if anyone else in the band plays guitar

They don't have five guitar players, they have two. Just because other guys in the band know how to play doesn't mean that they count as players in the band.

Mick and James surely play better than anyone else in the band.

So they have have two guitarists, done.