Yeah i need a new ride hella bad, trying to find something for cheap and it's kinda catch 22

need a job but need a car to get to work type deal

[QUOTE=fivelivesdeadandgone;17484306]i'm good with very heavy persuasion, but never anything extreme. people should be constantly challenged. if they aren't then they become complacent with what's going on.[/QUOTE]

well i mean its not like im saying i condone strapping someone down and [I]forcing[/I] them to do what you think is right. im just saying, sometimes very strong encouragement is needed. sometimes you have to push someone, sometimes you have to yell, sometimes you have to do some extreme things. you cant just be a passive pansy and expect anything to change. if youve done all that you can to make them realize what theyre doing to themselves, and they still think its what they want to do, then whatever, theres nothing else you can do. no use trying to catch the wind.

this thread is getting deep yo

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484351]well i mean its not like im saying i condone strapping someone down and [I]forcing[/I] them to do what you think is right. im just saying, sometimes very strong encouragement is needed. sometimes you have to push someone, sometimes you have to yell, sometimes you have to do some extreme things. you cant just be a passive pansy and expect anything to change. if youve done all that you can to make them realize what theyre doing to themselves, and they still think its what they want to do, then whatever, theres nothing else you can do. no use trying to catch the wind.[/QUOTE]

yeah, that's how i feel. if someone can't take a group of people yelling at them and pointing out flaws in their life, they'll never survive anyway.

Its Nepenthe's fault, dude types large but good posts which gets the convos going. tis good

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484328]not much right now, about to go to a meeting in a couple hours tho where i might run into gothic ex and find out for sure whether i should move on and find somebody else

sup with u bro[/QUOTE]

nm just picked up my new deck after my old one got reversed over by me

exactly

[QUOTE=mathjic;17484358]nm just picked up my new deck after my old one got reversed over by me[/QUOTE]

I don't skate and once had to buy my buddy a new deck after trying to skate and broke his in half. I felt really bad...

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484351]well i mean its not like im saying i condone strapping someone down and [I]forcing[/I] them to do what you think is right. im just saying, sometimes very strong encouragement is needed. sometimes you have to push someone, sometimes you have to yell, sometimes you have to do some extreme things. you cant just be a passive pansy and expect anything to change. if youve done all that you can to make them realize what theyre doing to themselves, and they still think its what they want to do, then whatever, theres nothing else you can do. no use trying to catch the wind.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I've been saying all along, interestingly enough.

[QUOTE=sean2332;17484362]I don't skate and once had to buy my buddy a new deck after trying to skate and broke his in half. I felt really bad...[/QUOTE]

yeah I've really gotten back into it over the last year or so, I mean I dont hit up the skate parks or nothin but I use it to get from home to the train station instead of using my car

What I miss the most are my drums, dumbest thing I ever did was sell them

not really. you were saying that it was immature for him to push his brother and ****. with people like that, that is the only way to get through to them. ive had to literally tackle handfuls of my (old) friends to the ground and scream at them directly in their faces about how their ****ing up their lives and whatnot. and occasionally it worked.

I know if someone did that to me I'd have to bust a cap

I screw my life up daily, I don't like people reminding me i suck haha

I wish I had a brother

i dont

I believe in encouragement, and even strong encouragement if neccessary. All I've been saying is that it's wrong to hold people down and physically force them to do things. Whether you're physically making some one quit drugs or trying to have sex with them.

It's fair game to push some one around a little bit over something as serious as addiction, I just think it's a bit much to hold somebody captive in a room because of an argument that primarily concerned beligerance.

I live with mine, he's kinda a tool most of the time. He's 9 years older and tries to act like my dad cuz I don't talk to mine, it's annoying

id be willing to bet your screw ups arent as bad as theirs were (@sean). had one friend who became addicted to heroin, and eventually got this girl pregnant. long story short, she wasnt getting an abortion, he wasnt listening to us about getting off h, i had to beat the **** out of him to make him realize that now it wasnt just going to be his own life he was ****ing up bc he was now responsible for 2 people.

i know its not like an *** kicking is therapeutic or anything, but sometimes people just need that kind of a wake up call. its like theyre walking around half awake until something like that happens, and wakes them up. i know this for a fact, because i was the same way. my wake up call was totalling a car and waking up in the hospital. people that are no longer in control of their lives need some sort of [B]bang[/B] like that to realize whats going on.

i like when people force me to do drugs and have sex with them

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484393]id be willing to bet your screw ups arent as bad as theirs were (@sean). had one friend who became addicted to heroin, and eventually got this girl pregnant. long story short, she wasnt getting an abortion, he wasnt listening to us about getting off h, i had to beat the **** out of him to make him realize that now it wasnt just going to be his own life he was ****ing up bc he was now responsible for 2 people.

i know its not like an *** kicking is therapeutic or anything, but sometimes people just need that kind of a wake up call. its like theyre walking around half awake until something like that happens, and wakes them up. i know this for a fact, because i was the same way. my wake up call was totalling a car and waking up in the hospital. people that are no longer in control of their lives need some sort of [B]bang[/B] like that to realize whats going on.[/QUOTE]
That's really , really, really mean. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484389]I believe in encouragement, and even strong encouragement if neccessary. All I've been saying is that it's wrong to hold people down and physically force them to do things. Whether you're physically making some one quit drugs or trying to have sex with them.

It's fair game to push some one around a little bit over something as serious as addiction, I just think it's a bit much to hold somebody captive in a room because of an argument that primarily concerned beligerance.[/QUOTE]

belligerence can be just as deadly as addiction tbh. everybody has their own poison that causes them to **** up their lives, some may not be as extreme as others, but they all get the job done one way or the other.

[QUOTE]That's really , really, really mean. Just saying.[/QUOTE]

again bro, you havent been in the situation. something had to be done, and thats the only thing hed respond to. the wrong thing to do would be to let that child and that girl have to deal with a heroin addicted, prison-regular father/babys dad.

theyre actually engaged now. and hes clean. so id like to say what i did was a very good thing.

[QUOTE=fivelivesdeadandgone;17484397]i like when people force me to do drugs and have sex with them[/QUOTE]

that's the american dream. And yeah I don't **** up THAT badly, just dumb irrresponsible stuff

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484407]belligerence can be just as deadly as addiction tbh. everybody has their own poison that causes them to **** up their lives, some may not be as extreme as others, but they all get the job done one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
If some one ****ed up their life, having a ****ed up life is punishment enough

I wouldn't brutalize them to draw their attention to it.

[QUOTE=mathjic;17484383]I wish I had a brother[/QUOTE]

I hate my brother. I know a lot of people say these things and don't realise how strong those words are, but I mean it.
I don't have a will but if I'd make one, I'd leave him out of it.
About half a year ago, I've thrown some stuff away that used to be important to me because I got it from my brother. May sound stupid, but I valued stupid, simple little items. Since then, he's proven time and time again that I was right.
He's like the antagonist of everything that I stand for.
And he doesn't even ****ing care when he makes my mom cry.

I'd want to move out of the house, but he needs to move out as well. I don't know how she'd handle it on her own with him, since I'm usually the middle person in the fights that calms things down.

oh ****, sorry to hear ceminon. Being one of the older fellas around here I've come to realise that family IS important as ****. If u have a chance to reconcile dude, jump on it tbh

[QUOTE=fivelivesdeadandgone;17484385]i dont[/QUOTE]

why

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484411]If some one ****ed up their life, having a ****ed up life is punishment enough

I wouldn't brutalize them to draw their attention to it.[/QUOTE]

read my edit

Holy sh*t work sucks @$$ tonite!

Whats crackin round here?

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17484411]If some one ****ed up their life, having a ****ed up life is punishment enough

I wouldn't brutalize them to draw their attention to it.[/QUOTE]

it's either that or ignore it for some people

and it wasn't just his life anymore

you're missing some deep covos bro

did you get your ipod belt buckle Dimmu?

[QUOTE=Nepenthe;17484419]read my edit[/QUOTE]
If i had been there and witnessed this entire situation go down, I could give an opinion.

To me it seems a bit forceful and inconsiderate, but then again I wasn't there.

Fair enough ?