Shai Hulud are TERRIBLE. Seriously.
Those album titles crack me up, though. Looks like they're really trying to come over as intellectuals.

Mjt182, it wasn't directed at you, don't worry.

Ok, good. Thanks.

i didn't bother reading every reply, so i don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.

your genre separation is pretty ****ed up. hoods, hatebreed and clenched fist are, in no way, metalcore. terror is way more metal than those, by far. and terror isn't even close to metalcore.

and if you're going to talk about grindcore, you have to separate it from grind. they're NOT one in the same. some examples of grind: napalm death, anal cunt(even though it was a joke band), cattle decapitation, agoraphobic nosebleed, etc. some examples of grindcore: converge, curl up and die, the red chord, bodies in the gears of the apparatus, ion dissonance, etc.

the rest is pretty accurate. just thought i'd point out those flaws.

[QUOTE=circuits]i didn't bother reading every reply, so i don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.

your genre separation is pretty ****ed up. hoods, hatebreed and clenched fist are, in no way, metalcore. terror is way more metal than those, by far. and terror isn't even close to metalcore.

and if you're going to talk about grindcore, you have to separate it from grind. they're NOT one in the same. some examples of grind: napalm death, anal cunt(even though it was a joke band), cattle decapitation, agoraphobic nosebleed, etc. some examples of grindcore: converge, curl up and die, the red chord, bodies in the gears of the apparatus, ion dissonance, etc.

the rest is pretty accurate. just thought i'd point out those flaws.[/QUOTE]
You have a good point. Grindcore shouldnt really sound like grind, it should sound like hardcore mixed with grind. Which makes sense, a lot of those bands do have grind elements and hardcore elements in them.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Quick review of tonight's All Else Failed / Ed Gein show:

10 kids on the floor by the time AEF played. God, I hate SoCal kids sometimes. I was the only one that knew who they were and sang along, or moved for that matter. I was definitely [I]that[/I] guy. Ed Gein at least got some decent reception. Kids better start listening to them by the time they come back next month with The Minor Times, or else...[/QUOTE]
I have to miss the show here. The Minor Times are a pretty good band from somewhere around here, I never saw them before though.

Shai Hulud rules.

FYI, they're not playing under that name anymore. They're playing under The Warmth of Red Blood.

Just to let you know the venue and time changed for the benefit show changed. Is there a different one that's called the Bloomsfield ave cafe or something?

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Shai Hulud rules.

FYI, they're not playing under that name anymore. They're playing under The Warmth of Red Blood.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, but they havent started playing again yet, they are still searching for a vocalist.

That Shai Halud profile was pretty lame, go into more history and such. My [URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236911]PTW FA[/URL] rules all. I spent a stupidly long amount of time on that.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]That Shai Halud profile was pretty lame, go into more history and such. My [URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236911]PTW FA[/URL] rules all. I spent a stupidly long amount of time on that.[/QUOTE]
Ok lets see if you can find ANY INFO on their history, I doubt you will find any.

There is nothing on their site, I also searched through 20 ****ing pages of google.

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I wish I could find a history for you guys, I looked really hard, I cant find enough info to write my own.
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Umm if you also didnt notice I posted this on the profile

[QUOTE=circuits]i didn't bother reading every reply, so i don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.

your genre separation is pretty ****ed up. hoods, hatebreed and clenched fist are, in no way, metalcore. terror is way more metal than those, by far. and terror isn't even close to metalcore.

and if you're going to talk about grindcore, you have to separate it from grind. they're NOT one in the same. some examples of grind: napalm death, anal cunt(even though it was a joke band), cattle decapitation, agoraphobic nosebleed, etc. some examples of grindcore: converge, curl up and die, the red chord, bodies in the gears of the apparatus, ion dissonance, etc.

the rest is pretty accurate. just thought i'd point out those flaws.[/QUOTE]
They say it is metalcore because of the drop tuning and the tone is metalcorish, but I still agree they are hardcore.

Some people say Hatebreed are hardcore, supposedly metallic hardcore. Then some people think that's the same thing as a metalcore, so whatever you want to think is fine, they're definately more hardcore then metal though.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]They are playing the 30th with Mental. :cool:[/QUOTE]
Mental is playing the show RJ were on. Oh well Miles Between Us are playing so I'm happy.

[QUOTE=ph0bia]You have a good point. Grindcore shouldnt really sound like grind, it should sound like hardcore mixed with grind. Which makes sense, a lot of those bands do have grind elements and hardcore elements in them.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. I think it should sound like punk vs. hardcore punk. Grind made more intense.

[QUOTE=circuits]
your genre separation is pretty ****ed up. hoods, hatebreed and clenched fist are, in no way, metalcore. terror is way more metal than those, by far. and terror isn't even close to metalcore.

and if you're going to talk about grindcore, you have to separate it from grind. they're NOT one in the same. some examples of grind: napalm death, anal cunt(even though it was a joke band), [B]cattle decapitation[/B], agoraphobic nosebleed, etc. some examples of grindcore: converge, curl up and die, the red chord, bodies in the gears of the apparatus, ion dissonance, etc.
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Cattle Decapitation are death/gore metal. Although they do have (had) some grind folk. Rob Astor is on drums, and Gabe Serbian used to play guitar up until the new album.

I see it as, grind is true grind, while grindcore is basically grind with hardcore influences.

Grindcore has longer songs. I guess daughters and all the other bands like them would be considered grindcore.

wait is ph0bia=gotkookie?

haha, I think so.

Oh yeah I final listened to Casey Jones/Traitor today. It's really good. Traitor sounded alot better than their demo. Casey Jones was good, but to short.

Just three songs each right?

Yeah.

Arnt they releasing another full lenght in early 2005?

Yup :)

does anybody here like Thirty3? they're pretty cool.

Sk8SkaNJ, where abouts in NJ do you live?

Never heard of them.

Basking Ridge in Somerset County.

ok, well, i havent read the whole thing, and i wont either, i just read the first page, but i saw what you said about "grindcore", and i think there is actually grind and grindcore, and there is a difference between them... im not sure if im right, thats why i want someone to follow up on this, but i believe grind is bands such as Locust, but grindcore is just like grind but with breakdowns... and i know we have grindcore bands here, because it will be grind vocals, guitar, and drums, and next thing you know they bust into a breakdown... so will someone follow up on that?

hile the term Grindcore has often been used somewhat interchangeably with death metal, the two started out as very different, albeit similarly extreme, forms of music, despite becoming more alike over the years. When it first appeared in the mid-'80s, grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Grindcore's jaw-dropping aggression was so over the top that pointing to its roots in thrash metal and hardcore punk hardly gives an idea of what it actually sounds like. Indisputably, the band that invented grindcore was Napalm Death, whose 1987 debut album Scum is also perhaps the most representative example of the style. In Napalm Death's hands, grindcore was actually rather arty, a sonic metaphor for the bleakness, violence, and decay of modern society; the group's lyrics were additionally packed with angry social commentary. More extreme in the lyrical department was Carcass, the only other band to really epitomize the original grindcore sound; their gruesome, gory rants were literally taken from anatomical textbooks for maximum shock (and gonzo comedy) factor. However, grindcore's original form was inherently limiting, and its intensity could easily turn into self-parody; on Napalm Death's second album, they had already begun to experiment with industrial textures, a fusion that would prove popular not only with bands who loved the jackhammer rhythms a drum machine could provide, but also with slower, moodier bands like Godflesh (itself a Napalm Death offshoot). Grindcore's blistering intensity was assimilated not only into underground heavy metal, but also into avant-garde and experimental music circles; Japanese noise bands like the Boredoms and Merzbow found it inspiring, and jazz musician John Zorn formed the grindcore-inspired group Painkiller (which featured former Napalm Death drummer Mick Harris). Although pure grindcore was a distinctly British phenomenon, the early albums by the Florida band Death -- which ratcheted up the aggression and morbidity of prime Slayer -- had a raw, crude, assaultive quality that made them extremely similar. Apart from adopting the low, demonic growl of the grindcore vocal style almost wholesale, American death metal bands with relatively limited technical ability who played at fast tempos often resembled grindcore outfits with song structures. In fact, by the '90s, Napalm Death's sound was virtually impossible to separate from either death metal or grindcore, and Carcass had become a full-fledged, even melodic, death metal band. One of the very few bands to stick with grindcore's original form was A.C. (aka Anal Cunt), which primarily employed it to a snottily humorous effect.

From [url]http://www.allmusic.com/[/url]

ok, that was really long, i only read the first sentence, and yeah, i know what death metal isnt, and when i talk about the "grindcore" bands around here, i knew they werent death metal, but yea, i just want a simple im wrong or im right... lol, thanks

Allmusic.com's description things blow. They have the Adolescents under "punk metal." The last time someone seriously described something as "punk metal" to me, they sounded stupid. Partly because they were talking about 311.

Yeah allmusic doesn't seem very reliable. It's good for some things though.