Deathcrush is a good entrance into it though (speaking from experience), and it is top-of-the-line for sure.

[I]Heaven Shall Burn...When We Are Gathered[/I] would be a good entrance methinks, if we're gonna go that route come hell or high water.

[QUOTE=Valhall;15700688]I really doubt throwing him into Burzum or Mayhem immediately will get him into BM.[/QUOTE]
Well, if he doesn't like [I]that[/I] it's obvious he won't like it.

Ehhh, not really and if he were to go for Marduk, Opus Nocturne would be better anyway.

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15700702]Well, if he doesn't like [I]that[/I] it's obvious he won't like it.[/QUOTE]


Truth, that's basic fundamental BM.

I got in through Marduk, so I think it's worth a try. I wouldn't recommend Akitsa, way too much niche appeal to be a good entrance band.

Well La Grande Infamie is probably the best release in five or so years, though I see where you're coming from.

As long as he doesn't start with Panzer Division or some crap like that.

Well I'll be giving some of this stuff a try. I've just been trying to get into some new stuff recently, and I see this is generally one of the more active threads on the forum, but it is a genre I've never really been able to get into in the past. Well that is true for a lot of sub genres of metal. Generally most of the metal stuff I'm into has hardcore roots, like Converge, Rifles At Recess, Darkest Hour etc...

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy;15700725]As long as he doesn't start with Panzer Division or some crap like that.[/QUOTE]

This.

Or Behemoth.

Or BRA's band lol

[QUOTE=Against Miik!;3495889345]Well I'll be giving some of this stuff a try. I've just been trying to get into some new stuff recently, and I see this is generally one of the more active threads on the forum, but it is a genre I've never really been able to get into in the past. Well that is true for a lot of sub genres of metal. Generally most of the metal stuff I'm into has hardcore roots, like Converge, Rifles At Recess, Darkest Hour etc...[/QUOTE]

Yeah well some people don't get hardcore idk

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15700743]Or Behemoth.

Or BRA's band lol[/QUOTE]

That was uncalled for.

[QUOTE=Valhall;15700752]That was uncalled for.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't trying to be mean, I'm just saying you're not the f‪ucking epytome of Black Metal, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry because you're not a good Black Metal starting band. :(

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15700756]I wasn't trying to be mean, I'm just saying you're not the f‪ucking epytome of Black Metal, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry because you're not a good Black Metal starting band. :([/QUOTE]

A comment you make quite often accompianied by a "lol" is not what I classify as not trying to take a jab. Sorry.


///end discussion.

Well, thus far, I have previewed tracks from Mayhem, Dimmu Borgir, and Marduk. I like the epic factor that Dimmu Borgir has. Marduk just feels like a punch in the face. Definitely have to be in the right mood to listen to that. I heard to tracks off of Deathcrush and I wasn't really diggin tbh. The quality just seemed really subpar. Don't mean to commit an BM faux paus there, since I don't really know that much about it, but I couldn't get into it.

But I lol a lot! =(

[QUOTE=Against Miik!;2394834]The quality just seemed really subpar.[/QUOTE]

Again, almost a clause to most "good" black metal: The quality isn't very good when compared to other crisp kind of productions.

Like say, Timbaland.

[QUOTE=Against Miik!;15700777]Well, thus far, I have previewed tracks from Mayhem, Dimmu Borgir, and Marduk. I like the epic factor that Dimmu Borgir has. Marduk just feels like a punch in the face. Definitely have to be in the right mood to listen to that. I heard to tracks off of Deathcrush and I wasn't really diggin tbh. The quality just seemed really subpar. Don't mean to commit an BM faux paus there, since I don't really know that much about it, but I couldn't get into it.[/QUOTE]

I told you all.


Why don't you let me handle the newbies from now on?


AM: Dimmu and Old Man's Child are probably your best bets at this point in time. Everything else will be a bit aggressive for some time; it will take some getting used to.

[size=7]NO BRA BECAUSE WHEN YOU START WITH DUMB BANDS LIKE DIMMU OR OLD MAN'S CHILD YOUR PERCEPTION IS DEEPLY CORRUPTED BY SISSY-PANTSERY AND ALL THAT GAY SH‪IT[/size]

*sigh*

Anyway, FE Born for Burning is OK but not exactly the [I]groove[/I] I was talking about.

I was thinking funk grooves in black metal

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15700743]


Yeah well some people don't get hardcore idk[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't get it's appeal whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Valhall;15700785]I told you all.


Why don't you let me handle the newbies from now on?


AM: Dimmu and Old Man's Child are probably your best bets at this point in time. Everything else will be a bit aggressive for some time; it will take some getting used to.[/QUOTE]


But that's like sugar coating the fact that it isn't Black Metal at all.


[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15700800]

I was thinking funk grooves in black metal[/QUOTE]

Then it wouldn't be black metal anymore. It's be some avant-garde something or other. I don't know.

No, Tojes, the rest of you are so far immersed in black metal that you've forgotten what the more accessible, melodic black/blackened death sounds like to new listeners. It's more enjoyable than true BM. You can't really expect a complete newbie to jump straight into Vlad Tepes or Burzum.

And this was a prime example, and I was correct. You just can't handle the fact that BRA might know how to handle a situation.

To cite a pretty basic example, I was thinkin more like groove in the sense that Pantera has a "groove".

Anyways, it's 3 in morning, and all this stuff is pretty intense for this hour. I guess I have a pretty good starting point, and I will start disecting at a later date. Thanks all.

edit: This track I found called Dawn of a New Age by Satyricon is pretty rockin.

And lets not get into the whole arguement about what is really black metal. Maybe it takes an outside obvserver to say this, but I'm guessing bands like Dimmu Borgir are more black metal than a lot of stuff out there, so if its a stepping stone, then whats the problem?

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy;15700804]Yeah, I don't get it's appeal whatsoever.




But that's like sugar coating the fact that it isn't Black Metal at all.




Then it wouldn't be black metal anymore. It's be some avant-garde something or other. I don't know.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TojesDolan]

Anyway, FE Born for Burning is OK but not exactly the groove I was talking about.

I was thinking funk grooves in black metal[/QUOTE]

But thanks anyway [I]The Return...[/I] is pretty damn amazing nevertheless.

[QUOTE=Valhall;2398745]No, Tojes, the rest of you are so far immersed in black metal that you've forgotten what the more accessible, melodic black/blackened death sounds like to new listeners. It's more enjoyable than true BM.[/QUOTE]

I AM NOT IMMERSED >: [

Are Wolves in the Throne Room worth checking out, thier new album especially?

I dislike them, everyone else loves them.

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy;15700852]I dislike them, everyone else loves them.[/QUOTE]

Well, that only tells me half the story :p

new WITTR was average

can people go more than four or five pages without bringing them up

nein

I like WITTR, faggy vegans or not.

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