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Squirrel 08-09-2010 06:09 PM

It's physically impossible to improve your reaction time. You may be improving your abiltiy to anticipate and react more efficiently to particular moves but it's impossible to improve your inate reaction time; it's god given.

Watch Pernell Whitaker box, you CANNOT be taught to defend like that.

You're conditioning yourself to specific scenarios by reacting in a more efficient and productive manner. You're not increasing the time in which you have to calculate and then react to those actions.


I also believe you're a retard.

Squirrel 08-09-2010 06:19 PM

I'm off to bed now, someone ban this piece of **** while i'm asleep.

Modern Iconoclast 08-09-2010 06:38 PM

Improving reaction time doesn't mean you're [I]increasing[/I] the time you [I]have[/I] to react, you're [I]decreasing[/I] the time it [I]takes[/I] you to react. You honestly cannot be that dumb.

JoshIsNumber3 08-09-2010 09:28 PM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122158]You've just proved my point; thats not reaction time, thats conditioning. Reaction time and reflexes youre born with.[/QUOTE]

False, you can condition your reflexes with behavioral modification, as training would do, and overlearning of stimuli.

benfan 08-10-2010 02:10 AM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18121599]
My sarcasm detector is broken but im gonna assume youre beign serious cause it was an awesome post i have to admit.[/QUOTE]

You would assume right.

You guys are all pussies anyway. You cant be tough until you've comitted to memory the training montages of Rocky I-IV and then Rocky Balboa. We can leave out V for obvious reasons.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 02:59 AM

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;18122331]False, you can condition your reflexes with behavioral modification, as training would do, and overlearning of stimuli.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, last time we spoke you didn't know **** about training whatsoever, so i'm gonna ignore that lolvague post.

[QUOTE]Improving reaction time doesn't mean you're increasing the time you have to react, you're decreasing the time it takes you to react. You honestly cannot be that dumb. [/QUOTE]

Yeah and decreasing that time it takes you to react cannot be changed. You may condition yourself to look for/notice telegraphed behaviours and be better at anticipating movements and angles, which does decrease the time taken to perform an effective defensive or offensive movement, but you're not improving the window in which your sensory neuronal network calculates things. That's god given.

If you practise a martial art of w/e you're honing your senses to that art - particular movements and alike that you become accustomed to. You're not improving how well your brain can computer electric information, you're just adapting to cues and learning through etensive experience.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 03:03 AM

Yeah so I bumped into this guy he was all [B][U]chest and arms[/U][/B] never heard of [U][B]squats in his life[/B][/U] yeah lol you guys get me.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 03:23 AM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122560]I dunno, last time we spoke you didn't know **** about training whatsoever, so i'm gonna ignore that lolvague post.
[/QUOTE]

Red herring much? How is it vague? Through repetition, decreasing the time between intervals, and modifying the salience and magnitude of a stimulus, you can modify and decrease the strength at which reflexive behaviors occur. Furthermore, you can nearly put reflexes on extinction to where responses in the future are less likely to result in automatic behavior.

benfan 08-10-2010 03:51 AM

I think that were gonna see the first ever Mx-lod fight. Someone get an Octagon.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 04:32 AM

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;18122567]Red herring much? How is it vague? Through repetition, decreasing the time between intervals, and modifying the salience and magnitude of a stimulus, you can modify and decrease the strength at which reflexive behaviors occur. Furthermore, you can nearly put reflexes on extinction to where responses in the future are less likely to result in automatic behavior.[/QUOTE]

Links to articles/literature for this? And I don't mean bodybuilding forums or rosstraining etc. Your post seems rather verbose, I get the feeling you're actively trying to make your point more valid through your choice of wording. Infact reading it again man that's a ****ing pretentious post.

I respect you tho Josh casue we go way back and shi. Modern Iconoclast can FO though cause he's a tard.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 04:32 AM

[QUOTE=benfan;18122576]I think that were gonna see the first ever Mx-lod fight. Someone get an Octagon.[/QUOTE]

I was gonna try my hand at MMA bu the doc ruled it out. In fact i'm not allowed any combat sports any more. And he advised against **** like tennis haha.

benfan 08-10-2010 04:48 AM

Well if you cant even play tennis then what the hell can you play. Maybe you should take up Backgammon?

Squirrel 08-10-2010 05:03 AM

Swimming and lifting is what I do mostly.

I play snooker a lot too haha.

benfan 08-10-2010 05:15 AM

I dont understand how you cant play tennis yet you can lift weights?

Squirrel 08-10-2010 05:18 AM

Cause it's an eye injury.

Lifting is ok but anything involving a moving object that could hit me in the eye is a no-no.

Murdererer 08-10-2010 05:25 AM

pwnt

benfan 08-10-2010 05:29 AM

Ahhh i see. Backgammon it is then. Chess isnt a good idea cause a pawn could hit you in the eye.

Godamn Fedex need to hurry up with my delivery so i can go and play some 7 strings i cant afford.

EmbraceRandom 08-10-2010 06:06 AM

What have u ordered?

Blue_Moon 08-10-2010 08:56 AM

ups have a router in the mail for lil' old al, got a tracking no. today ...even though i ordered friday morning >: (

benfan 08-10-2010 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18122678]What have u ordered?[/QUOTE]

Line 6 UX2. Just finished installing all the updates and everything.

Modern Iconoclast 08-10-2010 11:04 AM

"Reaction time (RT) is the elapsed time between the presentation of a sensory stimulus and the subsequent behavioral response. RT is often used in experimental psychology to measure the duration of mental operations, an area of research known as mental chronometry. In psychometric psychology it is considered to be an index of speed of processing. That is, it indicates how fast the thinker can execute the mental operations needed by the task at hand"

Source: Jensen, A. (2006). Clocking the mind: Mental chronometry and individual differences. Amsterdam: Elsevier.

"Reaction time is quickest for young adults and gradually slows down with age. [B]It can be improved with practice[/B], up to a point, and it declines under conditions of fatigue and distractions."

Source: Der, G., & Deary, I. J. (2006). Age and sex differences in reaction time in adulthood: Results from the United Kingdom health and lifestyle survey. Psychology and Aging, 21, 62-73.

You've got to be one of the most retarded people I've seen on the internet, and the internet has vast amounts of stupid.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 11:37 AM

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18122594]Links to articles/literature for this? And I don't mean bodybuilding forums or rosstraining etc. Your post seems rather verbose, I get the feeling you're actively trying to make your point more valid through your choice of wording. Infact reading it again man that's a ****ing pretentious post.

I respect you tho Josh casue we go way back and shi. Modern Iconoclast can FO though cause he's a tard.[/QUOTE]

How is it pretentious that I use the vernacular that I use in the field? Here, I can explain it more simply, basically, you can alter the way reflexes (any uncontrolled behavior in response to a stimulus) act by changing information about the stimulus. These things include the magnitude of the stimulus, such as how bright a light is, how strong a puff of air is, how sharp is a knock on the knee, etc. The duration of the stimulus, how long it occurs, the time between intervals, so are you doing test after test after test or are you allowing time for recovery in between? And the amount of time overall in your behavior modification trials. All of these things are important when it comes to shaping behavior and decreasing the magnitude at which a reflex is present.


[url]http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/reprint/26/9/2443[/url]

Here is one of the most recent definitive papers on the subject. Dr. Hawkins is an incredible scientist and researcher, I had the privilege of meeting him at a behavioral sciences convention last year.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 11:51 AM

I will read these tomorrow morning.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 11:54 AM

Josh that is, Modern Iconoclast can FO. His ban will be sorted soon enough anyway.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 12:00 PM

Basically, the snail has a reflexive behavior in it's "foot" where when it measures pressure from an outside source, the snail contracts away from the source. Overtime, with enough stimuli trials (flooding), the snail began to contract less and less as its behavior had stabilized and its brain internalized the regularity of the contact. Eventually, the snail stopped contracting at all and you could just touch it and nothing would happen. This supports the idea that some of our reflexes, while automatic, can be shaped and modified in their intensity and regularity in their behavior. However, not all reflexes are equal when it comes to extinction. There are easier things to control, such as jumping at a loud sound, not responding to tickling, bumping on the knee, etc., than say something like not blinking when air is in your eye.

Interestingly enough, this isn't the main focus of the article, I believe that particular article goes into detail about how the reflex mechanism of the aplysia snail has two routes of information transfer. One goes to the brain, the other is a feedback loop between the sensory input organs of the snail and the motor functions of the snail, this ensures that the snails reflex can act quicker than the brain can process the stimuli and choose to respond accordingly.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 12:07 PM

This is kind of gutting cause I was content with the fact that once i'd finished my masters I wouldn't have to read another journal again.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 12:12 PM

Some of the academic journals can be brutal. It sucks for when you think you can hammer out a paper in a few days, you just have to find the references and you realize there's no way you can deconstruct those things quickly enough and have a viable paper.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 12:14 PM

All four of my master's assignments had about 50-60 references in them. Of which I read 3 in their entirety.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 12:17 PM

Academic writing is a strange thing, for sure. There are more interesting ways to get the information across, but the journal style is just the most efficient clear cut way to do so. It's formula is genius, I have to say.

Squirrel 08-10-2010 12:46 PM

josh you are a massive nerdatron.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 12:54 PM

serious, only nerds go to grad school

Squirrel 08-10-2010 12:58 PM

There were only two nerdatrons on my Masters course. They both dropped out too.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 01:02 PM

That probably won't happen with me, but I'm going for my PhD. It's daunting to wave good bye to 6 years

Squirrel 08-10-2010 01:04 PM

Couldn't bare to do one, I couldn't stand nerding out for that long.

JoshIsNumber3 08-10-2010 01:08 PM

I've done it for like 20 years straight, I can keep it up 6 more.

The_Mop 08-10-2010 01:50 PM

Very reassuring, guys, considering I'm gonna be starting my master's next year (kinda - only real difference between BEng and MEng students is that the disseration is harder. Gah.)...

what were you going at newcastle, squig?

Squirrel 08-10-2010 01:58 PM

I did my undergrad at Newcastle but did my Post Grad in York. I did a PGCE and hated every minute of it.

You're doing engineering right? aren't Masters for them like, standard? like isnt it regarded as "odd" if you dont do the four years and choose to graduate after 3?

The_Mop 08-10-2010 03:01 PM

Not really, but I get the impression that the masters courses are sorta better 'advertised' so to speak, a lot of prospectuses pretty much mention them alongside BEng courses, whereas I know a lot of other courses sorta consider it extra and don't really mention it until you're on the course.

But as far as it goes for standards, well, I'm possibly the only person doing EE (electronic engineering) MEng. A few more are doing EEE (electrical and electronic engineering) MEng but the vast majority are doing BEng of either. In short, no, I don't think it's considered odd to do the BEng...

The way it works is that 1st and 2nd year are the same for both bachelors and masters, and 3rd year is effectively the same course layout (but modules are chosen by student), but MEng disserations are a bit harder. You have to get over 55% by the end of year 2 to be allowed to stay on or upgrade to the masters course, luckily I managed to get 59%...

I get the impression my marked was bumped up considerably though, maybe because I'm the only guy on MEng EE :P

Blue_Moon 08-10-2010 03:51 PM

i did art in school instead of engineering

and music instead of chemistry

The_Mop 08-10-2010 04:34 PM

Heh, I did music GCSE. The teacher was nothing short of a complete wanker, and the only way I managed to get an A*, I believe, is that I didn't listen to a word he said. Completely ridiculous.


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