[QUOTE]Actually, there are two Revolutions on The White Album, "Revolution 1" and "Revolution 9". "Revolution 9" is the one with all the weird noises.[/QUOTE]
I know that and was calling both crap. The single version of 1 is fun but the album one sucks.
[QUOTE]It was primarily John's creation.[/QUOTE]
Yet another reason to why Paul was superior in the Beatles.
[QUOTE]From [B]early hard rockers[/B] like "Helter Skelter" and [B]"Back in the U.S.S.R."[/B][/QUOTE]
You're almost there...
[QUOTE][B]The first time I listened to it I actually turned it off before it ended [/B]because I was so creeped out haha.[/QUOTE]
Me too, but that was because it sucked.

[QUOTE=Bron-Yr-Aur]No. The first Beatles song to use the whole backwards masking thing was "Tommorow Never Knows", from Revolver. "Revolution 9" wasn't even the first White Album song to contain clues to Paul's "death", as that was "I'm So Tired", which also featured the technique.[/QUOTE]

I never claimed that R9 was the first Beatle song to contain clues to Paul's "death".

I'm not disputing your word on the other point, but please provide us with a reference on the "Tomorrow" backward masking.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jacaranda]Yet another reason to why Paul was superior in the Beatles.
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You won't get an argument from me there.

IMO, John was the most important Beatle in their early years. I know I'll probably get cursed and shouted down, but from "Sgt. Pepper" in 1967 until their breakup, Paul was clearly their "top gun".

Paul was the best all-around singer/songwriter/instrumentalist of the fab four.

[QUOTE=Music Man]You won't get an argument from me there.

IMO, John was the most important Beatle in their early years. I know I'll probably get cursed and shouted down, but from "Sgt. Pepper" in 1967 until their breakup, Paul was clearly their "top gun".

Paul was the best all-around singer/songwriter/instrumentalist of the fab four.[/QUOTE]

I agree he was the most talented all-around Beatle. I prefer most of John's and George's songs over Paul's though.

[quote=You]I never claimed that R9 was the first Beatle song to contain clues to Paul's "death".[/quote]

I didn't say you did. Consider it a random fun fact.

[quote=You, as well]I'm not disputing your word on the other point, but please provide us with a reference on the "Tomorrow" backward masking.[/quote]

Well, it was the first track to be recorded for the Revolver album , which was in 1966 (a full two years prior to the White Album). It obviously makes abundant usage of backwards masking, which was either discovered by John Lennon or George Martin, as the source of the creation is often disputed. For referencing, read the Beatles [i]Anthology[/i] book, or you can look it up on wikipedia. The rest of what you said about Revolution 9 is right, though I do feel it while it was pretty much John's piece, Yoko had [u]alot[/u] to do with it.

Note: I am not referring to "hidden message" backwards masking such as on "I'm So Tired" and "Stairway to Heaven". I am referring to backwards tape loops usen in musical form.

[QUOTE=LeperMessiah]I agree he was the most talented all-around Beatle. I prefer most of John's and George's songs over Paul's though.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

Paul was definitely more "poppish" on average, though he also wrote a number of their more "rocking" songs---"Helter Skelter", "Back in the USSR" and "Get Back"---just to name a few.

[QUOTE=Bron-Yr-Aur]Note: I am not referring to "hidden message" backwards masking such as on "I'm So Tired" and "Stairway to Heaven". I am referring to backwards tape loops usen in musical form.[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely referring to the "hidden message" variety.

So neither of us is really "wrong", since it appears to be an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Thanks for elaborating a bit on that.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

Actually from 1967 on is the time when I start disliking Paul more and more. That's kinda when he started to take over the band and wanted to do everything himself. And basically when he started breaking up the group.

As for the White Album, if you could break up the discs, I'd put disc 1 near the top of my favorite Beatles albums, and disc 2 at the bottom. It's not that great at all.

EDIT: I'm think "I'm Only Sleeping" used tape reversing before "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Harrison played the guitar solos backwards so they'd sound right when reversed). (Although I don't know which song was recorded first, so I could be wrong.)

Rain also had backward vocals, and that came out before Revolver I think, not too sure.

In the beginning, it wasn't John, it was Lennon/McCartney. At Sgt. Pepper's on, if you count the 'Lennon' songs and the 'McCartney' songs on each album, you'll definitally see Paul's music overbearing in numbers.

ANd I, too, like John and George's music to Paul's.

I also prefer John and George's music to Paul's. I ecspecially like George, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Something, and Here Comes The Sun. How can you go wrong?

[QUOTE=magicbus]

EDIT: I'm think "I'm Only Sleeping" used tape reversing before "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Harrison played the guitar solos backwards so they'd sound right when reversed). (Although I don't know which song was recorded first, so I could be wrong.)[/QUOTE]

I might be mistaken, but I coulda sworn it says in the Anthology that they recorded "I'm Only Sleeping" before "Tomorrow Never Knows." But yes, backward guitar tracks were used on both songs.

[QUOTE=morrison357]I also prefer John and George's music to Paul's. I ecspecially like George, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Something, and Here Comes The Sun. How can you go wrong?[/QUOTE]

Buy [I]All Things Must Pass[/I] if you haven't already.

Pure genious.

[QUOTE=Up The Irons]Buy [I]All Things Must Pass[/I] if you haven't already.

Pure genious.[/QUOTE]

I still haven't bought that. Damn I hate being broke. First three things I'm getting when I have some disposable income:

All Things Must Pass
Pink Floyd- that 1968 dvd with Syd Barrett (catchy name eh?)
The Who- Live at the Isle of Wright

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]White Album is my second favorite....it has my favorite songs on there, but like most people say, it has a lot of substandard filler, so it loses out to Abbey Road, which is strong all the way through.[/QUOTE]
i can see why people love it, but i can't see why people hate it.

in my opinion, however, it is one of my least favorites.
it has some very great songs on it, of course, but it lacks the focused feeling of it being an "album".
it just seems more like 2 Beatles mix CD's, with as many songs as possible crammed in there, rather than the more perfected feel of Sgt. Pepper, Revolver, Abbey Road, etc.

i'd compare it to making a collage of every single picture you can find, be the pictures amazing, good, average, or bad, rather than making a collage of a few pictures, but each fitting with the others perfectly.

[quote]I might be mistaken, but I coulda sworn it says in the Anthology that they recorded "I'm Only Sleeping" before "Tomorrow Never Knows." But yes, backward guitar tracks were used on both songs.[/quote]

You might be correct, I haven't read Anthology in a while, but the recent guitar world issue which interviews Geoff Emerick states that Tommorow Never Knows was recorded first for the album as does some random documentary I can't remember the name of that interviews Paul McCartney and George Martin. As for Rain, I'm pretty sure it was released before Revolver as a single, but not recorded first.

To me the White Album sounds very un-sincere in a lot of parts. As if they were really trying to make a catchy memorable album that everyone would love....but for half the songs they forgot to actually put their heart, soul, and even brains into the song. Definitely one of my least favourite Beatles albums. It does have some great songs but it should have been a single album.

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Listen to Here Comes The Sun by The Beatles Tribute Band : [url]http://www.napster.com/player/tracks/15243926[/url]

not too bad..the beatles cant be topped

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]In the beginning, it wasn't John, it was Lennon/McCartney. At Sgt. Pepper's on, if you count the 'Lennon' songs and the 'McCartney' songs on each album, you'll definitally see Paul's music overbearing in numbers.[/QUOTE]

I don't recall anyone stating that it was all or mostly John in the beginning. But from the time John formed the Quarrymen in 1957 through the Revolver album in 1966, he was generally considered the leader of the group.

McCartney's musical contribution was enormous in all phases of their existence, but John was the acknowledged leader of the band before 1967.

[QUOTE=magicbus]As for the White Album, if you could break up the discs, I'd put disc 1 near the top of my favorite Beatles albums, and disc 2 at the bottom. It's not that great at all.[/QUOTE]

George Martin didn't want to release it as a double album, but the Fab Four insisted.

I'm not going to second-guess their judgement, since the album has been certified 19x platinum by the RIAA.

[QUOTE=Music Man]George Martin didn't want to release it as a double album, but the Fab Four insisted.

I'm not going to second-guess their judgement, since the album has been certified 19x platinum by the RIAA.[/QUOTE]
if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.

[QUOTE=sr800bkBassist]if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.[/QUOTE]

Opinions, opinions. Afterthoughts are irrelevant.

They made their decision, and at 19x platinum---one of the largest selling albums in history---who's to really say whether it was a "mistake"?

It may not have been the first double album in rock history, but for years it was the biggest selling and most influential. It popularized the concept of releasing double albums, and numerous other bands followed their lead.

Just another example of the enormous influence wielded by the four lads from Liverpool.

[QUOTE=Music Man]Opinions, opinions. Afterthoughts are irrelevant.

They made their decision, and at 19x platinum---one of the largest selling albums in history---who's to really say whether it was a "mistake"?

It may not have been the first double album in rock history, but for years it was the biggest selling and most influential. It popularized the concept of releasing double albums, and numerous other bands followed their lead.

Just another example of the enormous influence wielded by the four lads from Liverpool.[/QUOTE]
well, afterthoughts aren't really irrelevant when it's coming from the people who made it.

and besides, it's to be expected from John, with his usual bitter outlook on everything Beatles.

[QUOTE=sr800bkBassist]well, afterthoughts aren't really irrelevant when it's coming from the people who made it.

and besides, it's to be expected from John, with his usual bitter outlook on everything Beatles.[/QUOTE]

Oh, but they are irrelevant when they come from only one member of the group, John Lennon, who was burned out on drugs at the time. Not to mention his childish infatuation with Yoko Ono.

At about that same point in time, it was John who stated that the Plastic Ono Band was the "greatest" band he had ever been associated with.

Yeah, right. Sure, John.

It's a shame what bitterness will do to some people.

[QUOTE=sr800bkBassist]if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.[/QUOTE]

I remember watching a George Harrison interview in which he says, "Yeah, I think now it would have been better now released in two discs: [I]The White Album[/I] and [I]The Whiter Album[/I]."

Or something along those lines.

[QUOTE]Buy All Things Must Pass if you haven't already.

Pure genious.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'll have to pick it up next time I'm at the record store, because I've heard other great things about it. Thanks fot the recommendation. :)

Yeah it's one of my favorite albums of all time.

The extended editions extra songs really suck though or the alt. versions I think they are.

I like the acoustic versions, but the extras at the end of disc 2 are kinda meh.

But still, [I]All Things Must Pass[/I] is a fantastic album. The first disc is close to perfect.

[QUOTE=Music Man]Oh, but they are irrelevant when they come from only one member of the group, John Lennon, who was burned out on drugs at the time. Not to mention his childish infatuation with Yoko Ono.

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There's no doubting that if the White Album had not been a double album, that it would have been a much more solid and quality album. There are just too many unecessary filler songs.

Umm what did his infatuation with Yoko have to do with his opinion of the White Album?

Jeeze...people don't really know alot about the White Album. Some guy's claiming Revolution 9 was the first song with backwards masking, although Lennon himself says that Rain was which was released a while before the white album. And that it was Lennon's idea to speed up Revolution.

And to Jacaranda saying that Revolution #9 being mostly John's creation a reason why Paul was better. I believe Wild Honey Pie was mainly Paul McCartney song. People can listen to Revolution #9 for the interesting factor, Wild Honey Pie should have never been released.

But still on the topic of the white album, why not make a fantasy list of what you would have chosen to be on a single disc? A best of the white album I guess you could call it. Mine would be (in no particular order).

Dear Prudence
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Julia
Everybody's Got Something to hide...
Yer blues
Helter Skelter
Cry Baby Cry
Long, Long, Long

I think that would have made for one pretty solid album. Although I enjoy the album as it is.

That's a pretty solid list. I can't really think of anything I'd change on it actually.

[QUOTE=LeperMessiah]That's a pretty solid list. I can't really think of anything I'd change on it actually.[/QUOTE]

Damn I'm good...Bron-Yr-Aur commented on my top 10 beatles song list saying that I made his list song by song.

well it'd have to fit on an LP (45 minutes I think was the max)....

Add Sexy Sadie to that list, and you got a deal.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]well it'd have to fit on an LP (45 minutes I think was the max)....

Add Sexy Sadie to that list, and you got a deal.[/QUOTE]

I hesitated over whether or not to add that song, it was a heartbreaking decision.

Add unto that list Sexy Sadie, Savoy Truffle, Glass Onion, and Martha My Dear.

Savoy Truffle is such a great song.

I would add Rocky Racoon, remove I'm So Tired.

[QUOTE=Bron-Yr-Aur]Add unto that list Sexy Sadie, Savoy Truffle, Glass Onion, and Martha My Dear.[/QUOTE]

Savoy Truffle annoys me. And by the time people are done adding songs were gonna have the white album minus wild honey pie, and revolution 9. Glass Onion is a cool track because of it's lyrical content, and Martha My Dear is just catchy filler.

Wow, I think I might beat you up.

Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Marth My Dear
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Piggies
Rocky Racoon
Julia
Yer Blues
Mother Nature's Son
Sexy Sadie

That's my White Album. I just took the three songs off the second disc I liked, took off a few from the first that aren't my favorite, and I have 45 minutes.