VFX mini ride. sabian sig for Tony Vederosa?

^^^ could be. i googled VFX mini ride and came up with this [url]http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=447005[/url]

there's a picture about half way down. They look kinda similar except the hammering pattern was much less noticeable on the one i saw.

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true, but those are the hats pictured. not the mini-ride.

i wouldnt mind finding a pair of Distortion Hats....just to say i have em :p

^^^ ahh, my bad. it could well be the vfx mini ride then. i cant even remember how it sounded, only that i loved it to bits haha.

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[quote=bobby__johnny;16469830]true, but those are the hats pictured. not the mini-ride.

i wouldnt mind finding a pair of Distortion Hats....just to say i have em :p[/quote]
There's a pair that float around on ebay-Australia every few months. If you're serio I'll keep an eye out for you.

[quote=ant_182;16429168]So if the ZHT's dont cut it, I'm left with 12" Recording hats £156 or so, 12" Remix hats £165 or more [ebay], 10" Recording Hats £130 or more [ebay]. or get 2 splashes. What would be a good combo? Z Custom Bottom and A/A Custom on top?[/quote]
Pair of 10" A Splashes goes well.

[QUOTE=Aaron;16485097]There's a pair that float around on ebay-Australia every few months. If you're serio I'll keep an eye out for you.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/12-sabian-signature-vfx-distortion-top-hihat-cymbal_W0QQitemZ130238170551QQihZ003QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Sabian-VFX-Distortion-12-Hats-Blue-Drum-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ140249403136QQihZ004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

Saw those on ebay US

Cheers bra!

What are some good hats for heavy rock (think Sparta, Hell is For Heroes etc, real heavy drop D stuff)? Preferably Sabian. And I mean dark sounding hats, not bright - really not a fan of bright wherever I can avoid it. I've seen some 14" HHX Power Hats on the Sabian website. They any good?

14" HHX Groove hats :thumb:

mind you my 14" AAX Studio hats are fairly dark sounding. they still cut though

I like my Vault hats. They have a dark washy closed sound but are bright when opened up.

HHX power hats are fap worthy. Buy them or i'll beat you to death.

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;16529476]HHX power hats are fap worthy. Buy them or i'll beat you to death.[/QUOTE]

Ha ha. Aye aye Captain. Won't be for a looooong time though. I don't have that level of disposable cash.

[QUOTE=Aaron;16485099]Pair of 10" A Splashes goes well.[/QUOTE]

Yeh, but what combination would work well? I was thinking Z Custom on the bottom and a lighter cymbal on top

i'm thinking 10" A bottom, 10" K Top.

This same request has probably been made, but I don't feel like searching through 300 pages of this.

I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.

Thanks ahead of time.

[quote=Chrysostom;16528673]What are some good hats for heavy rock (think Sparta, Hell is For Heroes etc, real heavy drop D stuff)? Preferably Sabian. And I mean dark sounding hats, not bright - really not a fan of bright wherever I can avoid it. I've seen some 14" HHX Power Hats on the Sabian website. They any good?[/quote]

14" AA Flat hats.

[QUOTE=Forlorn Hope;16582115]
I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.
[/QUOTE]

well if by nice bell you mean big i doubt you will find anything with quick decay. if your playing in a metal/hardcore band dont waste your time or money with a 14, your just going to beat the crap out of it trying to make it project when it just simply wont and then you end up putting too much abuse on it. I would recommend crashes that are medium-thin in 18' just because they will give you more projection, they wont have as much "decay" as a heavy crash. also when playing at faster speeds they are easier to open up. Thats actually a really good price range for crashes as well, around $200-$230 should get you up to 18's from Sabian AA or AAX as wel as Zildjian A and A customs. I own a 18inch AAX stage crash and I use it for multiple styles of music and i love it. It cuts, its soft when it needs to be, its not ridiculously heavy and its versatile.

As for rides i guess you could say im a bit stumped on a decision here.
I would suggest getting something with a fairly decent amount of wash(for loud music) because once you play live, if your in an unmic'd venue that ride wont sound very good, its going to sound very clanky and not very pingy. try looking into something maybe medium heavy, you get the cut from the cymbal but you also get a good tone out of it. AA medium heavy ride maybe?

Thanks for the suggestions. What would you say the tonal differences are between the AA and AAX, as well as the A and A customs? There aren't very many music shops around here otherwise I would just go try them out.

well with AAX they are definately going to be more bright but also allow you to play them softer and still get a good sound out of them. with AA they are also bright although i dont think as much but they werent designed with the "auto focus" or whatever, which is the light and heavy playing. My experience with the AA medium thin crash was that it was just too much "decay" for me. they designed the bell to be bigger on that cymbal, even though its medium thin, to project more. wasnt really a fan of that one. though i do own an 18inch AA chinese and i love that thing to death. its trashy, loud, and it knows when to shut up.

Ah okay we have some slower sections in our songs so it sounds like the AAX is definitely a possibility. How about the Zildjian equivalents, do you have any experience with those?

ummm zildjian i havent really had much experience with i do own a pair of 14inch sweet hats but that doesnt help you much. i believe the lines are similar though. AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.

I would say A Customs are brighter, and the A's are more traditional?

[QUOTE]AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.[/QUOTE]

thats pretty much how it works.

forlorn, maybe check out some AAXplosion crashes. I play a 16" and it does exactly what you want. opens up very quick with a fairly fast decay and cuts through very well. I would think that the bell on a larger one like 18 or 19" would be pretty nice too.

The bell on the 19" is beautiful.

raw bells are win

[QUOTE]The bell on the 19" is beautiful.[/QUOTE]

The bell on my 16" is pretty decent too. Hasn't really got enough volume to cut through in louder situations, but I would imagine that the 19" will do.

the bell on my 16 is quite nice to use if your playing some more intricate stuff on the hihats or something and want a nice ping but without overpowering anything too much.

Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.

Is it worth it? Keep in mind that at this point I'm still rocking the Solars. UGH.

I have a set of XS20's (hats, crash, ride) and I love em. They have warm overtones with a bright attack that makes them very middle of the road. The hats have a nice shimmer to them. So yeah, I say get them.

[quote=Forlorn Hope;16582115]This same request has probably been made, but I don't feel like searching through 300 pages of this.

I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.

Thanks ahead of time.[/quote]
14" New Beats
17" & 19" A Medium-Thin Crash
22" A Ping

I was going to say 20" A Ping.

My love.

[QUOTE]Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.[/QUOTE]

as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.

i have an 18" XS20 Rock crash. served me well. but was a bit gongy sounding.

made a nice washy ride though.

the medium-thin crashes are pretty good. and i liked the pair of hats i heard. thats about my extent with em.

[quote=an_original_name;16587259]as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.[/quote]

B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal


So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.

i wouldnt say the lathing is the same at all. they're closer in lathing to an AA Metal-X cymbal.

[QUOTE]B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal


So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.[/QUOTE]

20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?

Anyone have any thoughts on the K Custom Crash Rides? I was thinking of replaceing my A Custom Ride with one

[QUOTE=an_original_name;16587477]20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?[/QUOTE]

would you consider playing XS20's over 2002's? i'd think not.

never played 2002's so i cant really say haha. seriously though i get where your coming from.

just out of curiosity, is there is any difference in durability between different alloys?

the 8% bronze will be softer naturally because of the Higher copper content.

likewise, if either alloy isnt tempered (heat treated) properly, both will be brittle and break easily.

to say 1 is better than the other is like saying Birch or Maple is better than the other. it comes down to WAY more than Simple composition