[QUOTE=The JoZ]But there is nothing on the books that says it's illegal [b]because God said so[/b][/QUOTE]

no, you missed my point. i am not saying that it is a law because God said it. it is a law that is influanced by God and the bible

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]how didn't they? God said not to kill, what is a law of the land. killing is illagal,

lowsound[/QUOTE]


Whether or not a deity specified for a certain people to not kill is irrelevent. Since the beginning of time people haven't 'just killed.' Sure, primitive peoples acted on self-interest or survival, therefore killed. But they did not randomly kill others. They just don't do it. With certain circumstances of course we kill. but when put ina suitable environment there is no need to kill--it goes against human nature.

In a complex society such as that the law of the land is understood. There is no need to kill and having people claim that God said not to seems a bit redundant when they weren't going to anyway.

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]are you cracked out?

lowsound[/QUOTE]

It could pretty easily be argued that this is a religious debate, not a political one. ;)

[QUOTE=e p]Whether or not a deity specified for a certain people to not kill is irrelevent. Since the beginning of time people haven't 'just killed.' Sure, primitive peoples acted on self-interest or survival, therefore killed. But they did not randomly kill others. They just don't do it. With certain circumstances of course we kill. but when put ina suitable environment there is no need to kill--it goes against human nature.

In a complex society such as that the law of the land is understood. There is no need to kill and having people claim that God said not to seems a bit redundant when they weren't going to anyway.[/QUOTE]

it is human nature because that is the way that God created us. he gave us those laws (in genisis) becasue this is what was happening. that is why he brought on the flood.

lowsound

[QUOTE=Noushi]It could pretty easily be argued that this is a religious debate, not a political one. ;)[/QUOTE]

i think that it has turned into that. though it still has politics thrown in

lowsound

This is still about politics but now its more of the religous influences of politics.

[QUOTE=wwjd388]This is still about politics but now its more of the religous influences of politics.[/QUOTE]

thats what i was looking for.

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]no, you missed my point. i am not saying that it is a law because God said it. it is a law that is influanced by God and the bible

lowsound[/QUOTE]

Well, I can't, and wasn't, trying to argue that.

My point was that even though people might have been influenced by the Bible, they didn't come right out and say "You should pass this legislation/run your government this way/behave this way because God said so".

la la la

It's good wholesome debating fun no matter how you look at it...

I think it's reasonable to say that the laws of a modern country are influenced by previous moral and ethical codes. However, I believe that ethics and morals have progressed beyond religion. The simplest argument I have for this is that different religions agree on basic precepts and concepts when it comes to morality. This common set of ethics transcends the religions. It is this underlying set of ethics that the laws are truly based on, not the religious statement of them.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Well, I can't, and wasn't, trying to argue that.

My point was that even though people might have been influenced by the Bible, they didn't come right out and say "You should pass this legislation/run your government this way/behave this way because God said so".[/QUOTE]

to me it looked like you were trying to argue that they wernt influanced at all

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]it is human nature because that is the way that God created us. he gave us those laws (in genisis) becasue this is what was happening. that is why he brought on the flood.

lowsound[/QUOTE]


No we already had those laws regardless of what he said. It is human nature--with the exceptions of the mentally disturbed/some odd cases, people don't go around killing except for survival. Nowadays killing has turned into something horribly easy to do, but Im talking about then. Back then it was Prehistory (before writing, mind you). People didnt and still do not need religious laws governing them. Say Im an athiest and I dont follow any religious laws whatsoever. Immediately Im going to go around and kill and rape? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Noushi]It's good wholesome debating fun no matter how you look at it...

I think it's reasonable to say that the laws of a modern country are influenced by previous moral and ethical codes. However, I believe that ethics and morals have progressed beyond religion. The simplest argument I have for this is that different religions agree on basic precepts and concepts when it comes to morality. This common set of ethics transcends the religions. It is this underlying set of ethics that the laws are truly based on, not the religious statement of them.[/QUOTE]

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lowsound

is all this religious culture politics crap over yet?

same here, it seems like u denied God's influence on the law but it seems ive misinterpreted. correct they didnt specificly sight God in the consititution but the Biblical influence is very evident.

also, this isnt crap. its important to know where we get our laws and standards

man this debate looks like it could go on for a while


*sits back and enjoys the melody of it*

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]to me it looked like you were trying to argue that they wernt influanced at all

lowsound[/QUOTE]

Nope :thumb:

[QUOTE=ridethelightning]is all this religious culture politics crap over yet?[/QUOTE]

i think that its mostly over

lowsound

yeah it might. but its a pretty diverse issue, enjoy

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Nope :thumb:[/QUOTE]

good. think that this is over?

lowsound

Well, that was quite a few pages munched back... I'm impressed.

So why don't we talk about bass or something? I mean this is a bass forum.

I would of joined in, but it was too much reading.

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch]Well, that was quite a few pages munched back... I'm impressed.[/QUOTE]

that was perhaps that best debate that i have had in a long time, perhaps ever. i had like 60-70 posts in it, no clear winner eather, i like

lowsound

lol yeah this is one of the few DEBATES on here that ive actually joined in on... its my topic tho

darn, im out b4 im in...

darn, im out b4 im in...

[QUOTE=rybass]So why don't we talk about bass or something? I mean this is a bass forum.[/QUOTE]

this is a casual thread, anything goes

lowsound

I'm don't want to start another debate but a few weeks ago we were talking about god and then a debate started of if he god created man or if it was evolution?

anyone here believe in the evolution theory?

I would of joined except 1. im lazy and 2. my finger ****in hurts and i cant type fast enough to keep up really

[QUOTE=wwjd388]lol yeah this is one of the few DEBATES on here that ive actually joined in on... its my topic tho[/QUOTE]

ya too bad you didn't get in before. you seemed like you were kinda on my side. it was me vs everyone

lowsound

[QUOTE=Lay_Down_The_Groove]I'm don't want to start another debate but a few weeks ago we were talking about god and then a debate started of if he god created man or if it was evolution?

anyone here believe in the evolution theory?[/QUOTE]

guess what i think, tho i am not getting invloved in this. i need to study for history final tomorrow

lowsound

eh i'm not religious

Can I get you guysssss opinion on a song thing?

Actually I can't understand why people can't believe both.

I believe in a higher being. So what's to say that evolution isn't created by His will to further develop his creatures?

If God is omnipotent, then surely evolution would have been created by him too. This is what I feel.

i am out for the night, thanks for the debate all.

lowsound

later lowsound

there is a 3rd theory i forget what it is called but it combines the god/evolution theory

george ****in' clinton