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TJ/question: do you post frequently on the bass guitar section of musicianforums.com? because there's a wintermute there, i just noticed



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Someone beat me to that one. On Musicianforums.com I am known as Xybex. I have a funky spinning avatar which you might have seen.

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Someone's after me lucky charms :)

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]When have athiest or islamic beliefs been put into a democracy?[/QUOTE]

athest (some not all) believe in abortion, i wasn't saying islamic in the US i have yet to hear of that on a federal level, but look at some of the europien countries, they are influanced by islam more so than we are by christianity

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]leviticus 20:13
"the penitly for homosexual acts is death to both parties"

no since that is found in the old testiment, things have change a bit, you can be forgiven for the sinful act of homosexuality. this comes from a list of sexual sins that starts at leviticus 20:1. also this was to show you that it is considered a sin in all parts of the bible, not just the new testiment (i think thats what you are refering to)

lowsound[/QUOTE]
leviticus is the joke of the bible.
the majorty of christians ignore this part of the bible. and im saying the bible says women are inferior to men or at least the yshould be in the church , we out grew one bias whens the next one coming?

The bible seems like such an epic story... who here has actually read the whole bible?

[QUOTE=Wintermute]Someone's after me lucky charms :)[/QUOTE]

get those back.

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]athest (some not all) believe in abortion, i wasn't saying islamic in the US i have yet to hear of that on a federal level, but look at some of the europien countries, they are influanced by islam more so than we are by christianity

lowsound[/QUOTE]
atheist* european* influenced* sorry bad grammar bugs me :thumb:

on a different page....
anyone who can find me the pice written by dana wilson for clarinet about a girl being thrown into a volcano , written for randall paul gets rep. i need the title

Yeah man I'm just talking about American politics. Other countries have different Constitutions/Bill of Rights' so I'm not going to touch that stuff.

[QUOTE=Left Shoe]leviticus is the joke of the bible.
the majorty of christians ignore this part of the bible. and im saying the bible says women are inferior to men or at least the yshould be in the church , we out grew one bias whens the next one coming?[/QUOTE]

you can't ignor something and clame to believe in it. i don't ignor this part at all. according to the bible women should be inferior to men in the church yes, and i believe that. according to the bible men are to be in a posistion of athority when it comes to these things. and i have almost read the whole bible, i am about 2/3 of the way through. the only reason that i havn't before is because i wasn't very commited to christ and God before the summer, thats when i started to read it.

lowsound

[QUOTE=BassVirtuoso]Yeah man I'm just talking about American politics. Other countries have different Constitutions/Bill of Rights' so I'm not going to touch that stuff.[/QUOTE]

thats cool, as seeing as i am from canada i am probily getting some of our stuff mixed in with yours.

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]you can't ignor something and clame to believe in it. i don't ignor this part at all. according to the bible women should be inferior to men in the church yes, and i believe that. according to the bible men are to be in a posistion of athority when it comes to these things. and i have almost read the whole bible, i am about 2/3 of the way through. the only reason that i havn't before is because i wasn't very commited to christ and God before the summer, thats when i started to read it.

lowsound[/QUOTE]
hmm its become a new fad to beleive in god, i cant beleive you let some book written by dead men tell you your feelings on the social status of women.

[QUOTE=Left Shoe]hmm its become a new fad to beleive in god, i cant beleive you let some book written by dead men tell you your feelings on the social status of women.[/QUOTE]

hey i wouldn't unless i hadn't expearanced God for myself. i am only saying that they shouldn't be in power in the church, i am ok if they are in power in other stuff

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]you can't ignor something and clame to believe in it. i don't ignor this part at all. according to the bible women should be inferior to men in the church yes, and i believe that.

lowsound[/QUOTE]

Why do you believe that? What grounds are given?

I read the bible years ago, front to back, after an argument with a Jehovah's Witness. It never really did much for me though... :lol:

^Those are the reasons I simply can't accept Christianity.

[QUOTE=Noushi]Why do you believe that? What grounds are given?

I read the bible years ago, front to back, after an argument with a Jehovah's Witness. It never really did much for me though... :lol:[/QUOTE]

i believe it because i believe that i have experanced God first hand and the things that he can do for a person.

lowsound

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back from supper!

Holy shart, the casual thread turned into a debate while I was gone!

Does anyone here read on a regular basis?? If so, I'm curious as to what you're reading...

I'm looking for some good reads...

[QUOTE=janyeno]Does anyone here read on a regular basis?? If so, I'm curious as to what you're reading...

I'm looking for some good reads...[/QUOTE]

Check it out, you're reading my reply right now... :lol:

i read the bible ever night, thats a good read.

lowsound

There's one reason why religion should not influence politics, that nobody seems to bring up.

Everybody doesn't believe the same way.

While you might follow the Bible to a T, I might interpret it, and do so differently than you. While you might believe abortions are wrong, I do not. Etc.

The only way a theocracy works is if everyone is the exact same religion, and the exact same denomination. Here in the US, and in many other first world countries, we don't have that kind of control over the people. You're free to worship, or not worship, as you wish. You can be Catholic, or Jewish, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or whatever, and it's perfectly ok. Because we have such a diverse society of belief systems, the best, and only way, to run the government is to be as secular as possible. I'm not saying remove God from it...but you cannot legislate based on the way they believe, because everyone believes a little differently.

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch]Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back from supper!

Holy shart, the casual thread turned into a debate while I was gone![/QUOTE]

and a good one at that.

lowsound

I particularly enjoy reading about history of 20th Century invention and expansion; Railways by C. Hamilton Ellis is a good book about the very beginning of railways and their expansion into the 20th Century (mind you, I got the book when I was 7, so about 10 years ago...)

Whattaya like to read?

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]and a good one at that.

lowsound[/QUOTE]

Agreed, I just read thru it all.

im reading about how evil don campbell is

[QUOTE=janyeno]Does anyone here read on a regular basis?? If so, I'm curious as to what you're reading...

I'm looking for some good reads...[/QUOTE]

What kind of books do you usually read? I don't read that much anymore, mostly due to lack of new books, but I could probably throw you a couple suggestions.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]There's one reason why religion should not influence politics, that nobody seems to bring up.

Everybody doesn't believe the same way.

While you might follow the Bible to a T, I might interpret it, and do so differently than you. While you might believe abortions are wrong, I do not. Etc.

The only way a theocracy works is if everyone is the exact same religion, and the exact same denomination. Here in the US, and in many other first world countries, we don't have that kind of control over the people. You're free to worship, or not worship, as you wish. You can be Catholic, or Jewish, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or whatever, and it's perfectly ok. Because we have such a diverse society of belief systems, the best, and only way, to run the government is to be as secular as possible. I'm not saying remove God from it...but you cannot legislate based on the way they believe, because everyone believes a little differently.[/QUOTE]


And JoZ, that's an excellent point man, very good addition.

(I'm catholic) <_< | >_>

[QUOTE=The JoZ]There's one reason why religion should not influence politics, that nobody seems to bring up.

Everybody doesn't believe the same way.

While you might follow the Bible to a T, I might interpret it, and do so differently than you. While you might believe abortions are wrong, I do not. Etc.

The only way a theocracy works is if everyone is the exact same religion, and the exact same denomination. Here in the US, and in many other first world countries, we don't have that kind of control over the people. You're free to worship, or not worship, as you wish. You can be Catholic, or Jewish, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or whatever, and it's perfectly ok. Because we have such a diverse society of belief systems, the best, and only way, to run the government is to be as secular as possible. I'm not saying remove God from it...but you cannot legislate based on the way they believe, because everyone believes a little differently.[/QUOTE]

very true, but since a mojority of the people that are elected are religous and since the differance between most of these "christians" is minute, it is only true that their beliefs influance what laws are passed. if you don't like it you don't have to vote for that person and thats as much as you can really do, i don't like that one bit, but its just the way that things work.

i hear davincies inquest is good

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch]And JoZ, that's an excellent point man, very good addition.

(I'm catholic) <_< | >_>[/QUOTE]

i asked him to come join.

lowsound

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[QUOTE=ridethelightning]i hear davincies inquest is good[/QUOTE]

:lol: canadian tv makes my laugh

lowsound

[QUOTE=Noushi]What kind of books do you usually read? I don't read that much anymore, mostly due to lack of new books, but I could probably throw you a couple suggestions.[/QUOTE]

I'll read anything thats the slightest bit interesting...

I really liked books like johnny got his gun, brave new world, lord of the flies, and I'm actually trying to read lord of the rings(some of the singing is hard to stomach)...

woops

davinci code*

for LOTR once you get passed the first book its smoth sailing. also anything by tom clancy is good. my fav is rainbow 6 verw good read.

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]i asked him to come join.

lowsound[/QUOTE]

EGGcellent. :D

Now I'll have reading material.

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]very true, but since a mojority of the people that are elected are religous and since the differance between most of these "christians" is minute, it is only true that their beliefs influance what laws are passed. if you don't like it you don't have to vote for that person and thats as much as you can really do, i don't like that one bit, but its just the way that things work.[/QUOTE]

Uh, no, these difference are not minute.

I believe abortion should be legal. There are lots of conservative Christians who want it outlawed. If abortion were outlawed it would have a huge, negative impact on the country, as we plunge back into an age of back-alley abortions, more sexual problems. I imagine the infant mortality rate would rise, because women who would've had an abortion would give birth only to leave the baby to die.

Gay rights is a huge issue to gay people. There are plenty of conservative Christians who think they're all already destined for hell, and they are second class citizens. If they were denied rights because of their orientation, well, the slippery slope doesn't look pretty after that.

Don't vote for the person? Yes, that's a good way to voice my opinion, but my point is that politicians should not be allowed to campaign based on that sort of thing. If the neo-con Christian goes out and tells all the Bible-beating southerners and midwesterners what they want to hear, they won't even consider anything else he's doing, and they'll vote for him. People with strong convictions often, though not always, follow pretty blindly. If they think you're doing something Godly, they could give a crap less what else you do. I'm not like that. I want my elected officials to help run the state (the state being the broader State, not my specific state) and provide for its people. Welfare, protection, etc. We have the liberty to worship as we will, and politicians should respect that and shut the hell up when it comes to trying to mix legislation with religion

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Uh, no, these difference are not minute.

I believe abortion should be legal. There are lots of conservative Christians who want it outlawed. If abortion were outlawed it would have a huge, negative impact on the country, as we plunge back into an age of back-alley abortions, more sexual problems. I imagine the infant mortality rate would rise, because women who would've had an abortion would give birth only to leave the baby to die.[/quote]
i wouldn't mind seeing abortion made illage once again, tho i know that it wont happen. why? i believe that life starts are conception. i don't want to be blunt but the people that get pregnent are mostly (not counting rape in this) at fault for what has happened to them. its there choice to go out and have sex, they should realise that there could be consicquenses to this. if they just carry out the baby yo full term and give it up for adoption, that benifits the child and it benifits a family that might not be able to have children of their own.

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Gay rights is a huge issue to gay people. There are plenty of conservative Christians who think they're all already destined for hell, and they are second class citizens. If they were denied rights because of their orientation, well, the slippery slope doesn't look pretty after that.[/quote]

if you read my previous posts regarding this, you will see that the only problem that i have with it is the name marrage. and if these so called "christians" really believed the bible they would see the same thing.

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Don't vote for the person? Yes, that's a good way to voice my opinion, but my point is that politicians should not be allowed to campaign based on that sort of thing. If the neo-con Christian goes out and tells all the Bible-beating southerners and midwesterners what they want to hear, they won't even consider anything else he's doing, and they'll vote for him. People with strong convictions often, though not always, follow pretty blindly. If they think you're doing something Godly, they could give a crap less what else you do. I'm not like that. I want my elected officials to help run the state (the state being the broader State, not my specific state) and provide for its people. Welfare, protection, etc. We have the liberty to worship as we will, and politicians should respect that and shut the hell up when it comes to trying to mix legislation with religion[/QUOTE]

good point except that religion in a socety where you have the freedom to pratices religion is always going to get mixed into politics no matter how hard you try to take it out.

lowsound

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Uh, no, these difference are not minute.

I believe abortion should be legal. There are lots of conservative Christians who want it outlawed. If abortion were outlawed it would have a huge, negative impact on the country, as we plunge back into an age of back-alley abortions, more sexual problems. I imagine the infant mortality rate would rise, because women who would've had an abortion would give birth only to leave the baby to die.

Gay rights is a huge issue to gay people. There are plenty of conservative Christians who think they're all already destined for hell, and they are second class citizens. If they were denied rights because of their orientation, well, the slippery slope doesn't look pretty after that.

Don't vote for the person? Yes, that's a good way to voice my opinion, but my point is that politicians should not be allowed to campaign based on that sort of thing. If the neo-con Christian goes out and tells all the Bible-beating southerners and midwesterners what they want to hear, they won't even consider anything else he's doing, and they'll vote for him. People with strong convictions often, though not always, follow pretty blindly. If they think you're doing something Godly, they could give a crap less what else you do. I'm not like that. I want my elected officials to help run the state (the state being the broader State, not my specific state) and provide for its people. Welfare, protection, etc. We have the liberty to worship as we will, and politicians should respect that and shut the hell up when it comes to trying to mix legislation with religion[/QUOTE]


Whoa! That's exactly waht I always tell people! They're always surprised when I say I'm Christian, "But...you aren't a bible thumper! You don't try and shove your morality on us...you're....so....liberal!"

I believe utterly in the separation of church and state.

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass]i wouldn't mind seeing abortion made illage once again, tho i know that it wont happen. why? i believe that life starts are conception. i don't want to be blunt but the people that get pregnent are mostly (not counting rape in this) at fault for what has happened to them. its there choice to go out and have sex, they should realise that there could be consicquenses to this. if they just carry out the baby yo full term and give it up for adoption, that benifits the child and it benifits a family that might not be able to have children of their own.


lowsound[/QUOTE]

Gonna have to disagree with you here. I personally would never get an abortion. I would carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption. However, I think the right to choice is imperative to what our society stands for. Whether or not you acknowledge it, our government is full of men. I don't want some old white dude legislating what I can or can't do with my body. It's not his business, it's an invasion of the right to privacy, and it's downright unconstitutional. I can believe whatever I want about abortion, but fundamentally it's the right to choose that I support.

[QUOTE=super deluxe]Whoa! That's exactly waht I always tell people! They're always surprised when I say I'm Christian, "But...you aren't a bible thumper! You don't try and shove your morality on us...you're....so....liberal!"

I believe utterly in the separation of church and state.[/QUOTE]

look at my post above yours.

lowsound