Do it! It's got articulation, alittle wash and alot of nice tone.

Im not sure that its practical to sift through over 200 pages here so ill ask as to what you guys might suggest for :

Hats
Ride
Crash

Need them to be versatile and i have a budget of about $300 US

A nice pair of hats will set you back around 300 man, but
Hats: K Session or K Hybrid
Crash: A Custom
Ride: K Session or K Heavy Dry

O i totally understand man, just looking for decent stuff, i dont need super high end as it really is just a random hobby of mine, my main interest is guitar, so im really just looking for cymbals that are better then the pulse ones my set came with, i was thinking sabian b8's??

Yeah, I'd check out some Paiste cymbals, I heard they're pretty good low end cymbals

Wuhans for sure. Pick them by hand and you'll be set.

Yep Wuhan's are fantastic for the price. Insanely fantastic infact.

Alright, I got a cymbal here, and I'm getting it off my mate. It's had it's stamps removed but he tells me it's a Sabian and it's hand hammered, but he's not sure what model. Very thick, very loud, apparentely. Here are some pics:

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Rynn/DSC00064.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Rynn/DSC00066.jpg[/IMG]

Anyone know what model it is? Aaron thinks it could be a Power crash. Oh yeah, it's a crash and is 16".

I'd say its a HH Rock Crash

Lookin to get a new crash

My current set up is a paragon set (14" hats/ 16" crash/ 22" ride) and a crappy 12" wuhan splash lol. I love my cymbals, but I am not crazy about my crash sometimes, but it depends on the type of music im playing, mostly when im playing metal. I was definately looking into some zildjians, to expand my brand horizons. I was definately looking into the K/K custom series, but any suggestions?

K's really are meant for the exact opposite of metal, jazz. i'd look into the AAX metal cymbals
Edit: on the other hand, I'd suggest trying the K's out though, you may love them

any other opinions?

im still set on a zildjian

Well, Z customs maybe, if you really want a metal sound, or A customs

A Customs, but i would still check out the Ks, and stay away from the Zs

zs suck. go with a or a customs.

yeah, Z's do suck, go with A customs

Ok, a random question. I purchased an 18'' Meinl Classic China Cymbal. It sounds terrible. Is there a certain way to play a china cymbal, or a certain way to mount it on the stand. Or is it just a terrible cymbal in general!

I'd play it inverted, with the "Bottom" side, the side without the type of cymbal labeled on it, up. The "bell" of the china facing down, that's how I've always played 'em. I've heard a uninverted china before and I hated it

Yeah most drummers play China's inverted, I believe that's how they're meant to be played.

It's hard with Wuhan though, cause the bell actually like sticks out so far, so when you mount it inverted it's really wobbly and hard to put the wingnut down without scratched the inside of the bell.. anyone got a solution?

umm, on top of the tama roadpro stands, the nut that's on the stand is no bigger in diameter than the felt, that should fit into the bell quite nicely

ive learned enough from these forums in a year enough to stay away from anything zildjian with a "z" in the label.

so a customs sound like a good option too. thnx guys =)

jred you shouldve played the china before you bought it.

[QUOTE=Jred250;13786493]Ok, a random question. I purchased an 18'' Meinl Classic China Cymbal. It sounds terrible. Is there a certain way to play a china cymbal, or a certain way to mount it on the stand. Or is it just a terrible cymbal in general![/QUOTE]

You'll learn to love it. First time you hear a china, you think it sounds crap, but once it's used correctly and mixed in with the rest of your drumming, it'll be fantastic. :)

Hi
Im probably gonna buy a kit that comes with paiste 201 bronze cymbals. are these good? thanks

[QUOTE=Jeff;13788310]jred you shouldve played the china before you bought it.[/QUOTE]

I was actually in a pub in my local town, and there was a Megadeth Tribute band playing. I noticed that his china sounded awesome so I wen't up and took a look, it was the Meinl Classic 18'' China. I listened to it on Meinl's website just to double check, and it sounded alike the one I had heard in the pub so I purchased one off e-bay. Brand new for £91 (I am told this is a good price) Thanks for the advice everyone. I have noticed alot of bands on TV tend to have there china cymbal either mounted on there right, with a rather steep angle on it. Or... They have a boom stand sticking out at a right angle and mount it in the upside-down stand. I may try this with mine.

Edit: This Is the way I play it, and how it is now mounted. This seems to get the best sound out of the China. Just to let you guys know, It may be worth trying yours like that (If you have one)

[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/LarsAgi007/ward43140.jpg[/IMG]

Also, I have just got myself a bargain! I have just paid £149 for...

[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/LarsAgi007/15d2_1.jpg[/IMG]

They are as follows:

Meinl Classic: 20'' Flat Ride (Normally approx £140)
Meinl Classic: 17'' Medium Crash (Normally approx £110)
Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats (Normally Approx £140)

That approx prices were how much the cymbals above were in two of my local drum stores. So for £149 I think they are pretty much a bargain. My current hats I am using are Zildjian ZBT's, Would you say these Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats Will create a better sound? As I am either selling the Meinl Hats or Zildjian Hats, for the obvious reason of needing only 1 pair of hats!
I am going to pay the guy for the cymbals on the 29th December (Payday) So if the Meinls are better I can sell my zildjians nearer to the time.

So My kit's cymbal specs (Options) are now:

Meinl Classic: 20'' Flat Ride
Meinl Classic: 14'' Medium Crash
Meinl Classic: 17'' Medium Crash
Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats
Meinl Classic: 10'' Splash
Meinl Classic: 12'' Splash
Meinl Classic: 18'' China
Paiste 101: 12'' Splash
Paiste 101: 14'' Crash
Paiste 101: 16'' Crash
Paiste 101: 18'' Crash/Ride
Zildjian ZBT: 14'' Hi-Hats
Stagg: 8'' Mini Splash
Stagg: 10'' Mini China

So when I get my new cymbals through, its a case of seeing which are my favourites, what cymbals I need and where. And then sell any unwanted/Un-Needed cymbals on E-Bay!

That boom stand wont hold the china like that.

I had one collapse on me once.

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;13789869]That boom stand wont hold the china like that.

I had one collapse on me once.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is one of my lower line boom stands. I am going to need 7 more Boom Stands to mount my new cymbals on. I have a connection who does me quality gear at a good price. I asked him how much he can do me 7 Solid Boom stands for. He said:

7 Mapex pro Boom Stands £120
7 Stagg Boom Stands £60 (They are thicker than the Mapex)

I think I will go with the Mapex though. Obviously thickness isn't everything. Look at a section of your boom stand, and compare it to a section of a coke can. The can may be thicker, the boom stand is alot stronger.

If they're the stagg 1000 series, i use them. Go with them.

thin hi hats, like, from medium to thin.

Any suggestions. Only ones i can find are istanbul med's

Anyone have any experience with Sabian AA 20" Crash/Ride ?? Does it sound like the Zildjian K 20" Crash/Ride?