then of course you change to lateralus and all of a sudden the band figured out how to write a decent song again. undertow was great.

but then in true tool fashion they **** it up again with 10,000 days, which, while not as terrible as aenima, still sucks ****

Strange noises in the swamp tonight.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17409602]Eulogy is easily one of my favorite Tool songs.

Hopefully they play Aenima, that song always kills.

I'll be happy with whatever they choose to play, but some songs would be great to see them play.[/QUOTE]

do you like that song because it makes you feel better knowing a band can be successful writing incredibly un musical music?

[QUOTE=gaslight;17409605]Strange noises in the swamp tonight.[/QUOTE]

i live in a swamp btw

i heard wolves howling all last night ****ing annoying

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409606]do you like that song because it makes you feel better knowing a band can be successful writing incredibly un musical music?[/QUOTE]

Nail on the head.

I prowl the local swamp by night.

that must be irritating, you have some sturdy footwear i hope?

Just my swamp-dwelling monster hooves.

[quote=Raayl;17409603]then of course you change to lateralus and all of a sudden the band figured out how to write a decent song again. undertow was great.

but then in true tool fashion they **** it up again with 10,000 days, which, while not as terrible as aenima, still sucks ****[/quote]

[i]10,000 Days[/i] was a great album. It had a lot of experimenting from everybody in the band and some badass riffage ("The Pot" and "Jambi" come to mind). It was a very heartfelt album from a different side of Tool.

I still like [i]Aenima[/i] and [i]Lateralus[/i] better.

if by heartfelt and different you mean pile of ****ing **** then yeah def

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17409618][i]10,000 Days[/i] was a great album. It had a lot of experimenting from everybody in the band and some badass riffage ("The Pot" and "Jambi" come to mind). It was a very heartfelt album from a different side of Tool.

I still like [i]Aenima[/i] and [i]Lateralus[/i] better.[/QUOTE]

Lateralus is easily their best album, but I really like all of them. I loved 10,000 Days when I first heard it, but I liked it less the more that I listened to it. I still like it a lot, though.

[img]http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090802.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409606]do you like that song because it makes you feel better knowing a band can be successful writing incredibly un musical music?[/QUOTE]

I don't particularly like that song, or Tool at all besides Opiate and some of Undertow, but I don't see what's so unmusical about it. Boring, yes, unmusical though? It's most certainly a song.

And you accuse me of coming into threads and being a downer just for the sake of it...

Nice comic^^ by the way

[QUOTE=honeydutchautopsy;17409820]I don't particularly like that song, or Tool at all besides Opiate and some of Undertow, but I don't see what's so unmusical about it. Boring, yes, unmusical though? It's most certainly a song.

And you accuse me of coming into threads and being a downer just for the sake of it...

Nice comic^^ by the way[/QUOTE]

tool sucks this certainly isnt a new opinion of mine

and i say its unmusical because it is. there isn't anything particularly compelling about the structure arrangement or writing. it's all very bland and boring. no colors. just mute tones and terrible vocal phrasing over un-necessarily complex drumming.

i dont roll with that

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409843]tool sucks this certainly isnt a new opinion of mine

and i say its unmusical because it is. there isn't anything particularly compelling about the structure arrangement or writing. it's all very bland and boring. no colors. just mute tones and terrible vocal phrasing over un-necessarily complex drumming.

i dont roll with that[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with your opinion that tool sucks that has nothing to do with my question.

When someone says unmusical, I think "not music". It most certainly is music. Just because it's boring or uncompelling doesn't mean it's not music.

I wouldn't normally argue over Tool, but the thing is a lot of the music I listen to is based in complexity and abstraction. A song that can hold a structure as far from normal as possible and/or seem completely random while having some underlying organization that you must struggle to discern is really my favorite type of song. It gives the music an undeniable individuality, and if the artist can couple that with some semblance of melody (which is not always necessary) or more importantly raw emotion, it becomes a classic in my mind.

To be honest the reason I don't like Tool is, besides the lack of color and energy in their songs, is that for how hard they try to seem abstract to the average listener, they really aren't complex at all. I'm finding it hard to explain this accurately.

It's not that all music I listen to must be complex, but if what they're going for is abstract, they really have a LONG ways to go.

I know you'll disagree with me obviously since we've had similar arguments about the place of structure and listenability in music, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.

[QUOTE=honeydutchautopsy;17409864]I don't disagree with your opinion that tool sucks that has nothing to do with my question.

When someone says unmusical, I think "not music". It most certainly is music. Just because it's boring or uncompelling doesn't mean it's not music.

I wouldn't normally argue over Tool, but the thing is a lot of the music I listen to is based in complexity and abstraction. A song that can hold a structure as far from normal as possible and/or seem completely random while having some underlying organization that you must struggle to discern is really my favorite type of song. It gives the music an undeniable individuality, and if the artist can couple that with some semblance of melody (which is not always necessary) or more importantly raw emotion, it becomes a classic in my mind.

To be honest the reason I don't like Tool is, besides the lack of color and energy in their songs, is that for how hard they try to seem abstract to the average listener, they really aren't complex at all. I'm finding it hard to explain this accurately.

It's not that all music I listen to must be complex, but if what they're going for is abstract, they really have a LONG ways to go.

I know you'll disagree with me obviously since we've had similar arguments about the place of structure and listenability in music, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.[/QUOTE]

I understand your point I don't disagree with you based on personal taste. I'm sure most people laugh at the kind of music which I find to be "quality" as well. Who cares. Pick a side, have an opinion. nbd.

but yes i agree tool make a consistent effort to be mathy and experimental when they just dont have the correct aptitude to do such. they work best when they're dark, cryptic, and simple. like the song sober. nice and easy, simple, dark.

Lateralus worked well, too. It all "came together" nicely. Seriously awesome album.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409881]I understand your point I don't disagree with you based on personal taste. I'm sure most people laugh at the kind of music which I find to be "quality" as well. Who cares. Pick a side, have an opinion. nbd.

but yes i agree tool make a consistent effort to be mathy and experimental when they just dont have the correct aptitude to do such. they work best when they're dark, cryptic, and simple. like the song sober. nice and easy, simple, dark.

Lateralus worked well, too. It all "came together" nicely. Seriously awesome album.[/QUOTE]

I hate Lateralus. Reeks of try-to-hard, more boring than even Aenima (and this is a druggy saying this so don't pull the psychedelic card bass forumers).



[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMDcG3zAEI[/url]

^Check it, this is one of my favorite songs ever. This album was created on the more or less entirely original concept that the guitar is the rhythm section and the drums are the lead. On album, everything is played beat for beat exactly the same. The drums are ridiculously busy and that often puts people off; making them think that this is music that's just tech for the sake of tech. In reality it's just the sound it's trying give off. Really lazy and goofy sounding guitar playing with this frantic **** over it just sounds like drums falling down stairs...perfectly in time. Juxtaposition at it's finest imo. And once you get into it (which takes a bit) you'll realize that it really does have a nice melody and hooks and catches like any other song

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWUmw2ITaFA[/url]

deathstars! it's like the industrial lady gaga. i love fun senseless simplistic music. and that vocalist basically ****s me with words. he makes being gay look like a whole lot of fun.

or i guess you could call deathstars the industrial linkin park. stupidly simplistic and incredibly melodic/musical

i need a melody and a harmony or something man. GIMME SOMETHING.

lmao people take music too seriously i love bands like rammstein and deathstars that get off taking a big **** all over bands like tool who pretend they matter

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409915]or i guess you could call deathstars the industrial linkin park. stupidly simplistic and incredibly melodic/musical

i need a melody and a harmony or something man. GIMME SOMETHING.[/QUOTE]

Ugh... see I can like music with a simple melody, but something about music like that. I dunno how it is I judge it to be honest. I like **** like weezer, sufjan stevens, pinback... basic vocal-driven happy music. But stuff like that just pisses me off to no end. I dunno. Maybe it's partially that backbeat. It definitely has something to do with the annoying *** singer's fake stupid voice. Just the melody in general and the progression...it just has this feeling of overdone-ness to it.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBDJA4BDJg[/url]

^try this on for size. It's MUCH more user-friendly than the last one I posted but it still has a certain complexity to it. The song structure isn't simplistic but the average person wouldn't notice. It has melody out the ***....may not be your style but still

edit: I dunno about that last post dude, I think bands like Rammstein and Deathstars actually are trying to play it off like they're serious to appease their fanbase... it's part of the image

lmao the singers voice isnt fake if you classify that as "fake" then any vocal every recorded is fake

who cares its for fun. its like people who criticize rammstein for being stupid as if that wasn't the point when the majority of their songs literally translate to such poignant philosophical topics as "MEAT!" or "I WANT!"

like how serious am i being when i write songs with verses that read "dancing and drooling, opening up - like the world ever wanted to see your cu[SIZE="2"]n[/SIZE]t"

[QUOTE=honeydutchautopsy;17409947]Ugh... see I can like music with a simple melody, but something about music like that. I dunno how it is I judge it to be honest. I like **** like weezer, sufjan stevens, pinback... basic vocal-driven happy music. But stuff like that just pisses me off to no end. I dunno. Maybe it's partially that backbeat. It definitely has something to do with the annoying *** singer's fake stupid voice. Just the melody in general and the progression...it just has this feeling of overdone-ness to it.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBDJA4BDJg[/url]

^try this on for size. It's MUCH more user-friendly than the last one I posted but it still has a certain complexity to it. The song structure isn't simplistic but the average person wouldn't notice. It has melody out the ***....may not be your style but still

edit: I dunno about that last post dude, I think bands like Rammstein and Deathstars actually are trying to play it off like they're serious to appease their fanbase... it's part of the image[/QUOTE]

thats a little too college boy frat party for me sorry

now maybe if you dressed them up like vampires did the whole thing washed in distortion and added a 10 minute ebm rave breakdown i might like it

[QUOTE=Raayl;17409958]thats a little too college boy frat party for me sorry

now maybe if you dressed them up like vampires did the whole thing washed in distortion and added a 10 minute ebm rave breakdown i might like it[/QUOTE]

ahh yes we are two very different people

edit: have you ever been to a frat party? all i hear soulja boy and lil wayne bullshit tbh

When's Facebook coming to the Xbox?

[QUOTE=Mr. Pickle;17409992]When's Facebook coming to the Xbox?[/QUOTE]

when you go to www.thepounder.org and download the xbox facebook app...

...

o hai thar

W0rd, Cas?

57 minutes until my shift is over. Yay.

EDIT: 56