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moaner 10-25-2005 05:33 PM

Will my 2 pints a day milk habit stop me from becoming a semi-competent singer?

El_Goodo 10-25-2005 08:31 PM

I have a question...

Is there any tricks or anything to being able to sing a sneery sorta voice. I dont know how to describe it except by saying like Liam Gallagher from Oasis. Is that style possible to re-create or is that type of singing best left to Liam.

Jandy 10-26-2005 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]I have a question...

Is there any tricks or anything to being able to sing a sneery sorta voice. I dont know how to describe it except by saying like Liam Gallagher from Oasis. Is that style possible to re-create or is that type of singing best left to Liam.[/QUOTE]

Plug your nose :lol:

I'll leave it to Merk but that guy from Oasis sounds like he sings from his head, nostril area.

Merkaba 10-26-2005 08:03 AM

I think its possible to learn any style , if you learn how to sing first. There's just not alot of stuff that can go on. Now trying to be identical to someone else's tonal quality and "timbre" will drive you insane because you cant do it exactly. But sounding whiney, sneery or whatever else you like is a matter of learning how to sing hard without letting the larynx affect you. Not sure about liam but From what I remember he's just a little nasal and whiney. Not hard to mimic.

El_Goodo 10-26-2005 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I think its possible to learn any style , if you learn how to sing first. There's just not alot of stuff that can go on. Now trying to be identical to someone else's tonal quality and "timbre" will drive you insane because you cant do it exactly. But sounding whiney, sneery or whatever else you like is a matter of learning how to sing hard without letting the larynx affect you. Not sure about liam but From what I remember he's just a little nasal and whiney. Not hard to mimic.[/QUOTE]

I would say he's alot nasally...especially live. Now do you have any links or anything to something that would help me learn to "sing hard without letting the larynx affect me."

Also can the stance that your singing in really hurt your voice? Cause I was reading that Liam's voice was getting hurt from him singing in his trademark stance.

Which can be seen [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/56/Liam_Gallagher_singing.gif/250px-Liam_Gallagher_singing.gif"]here[/URL] and [URL="http://www.musthear.com/new%20gallery/Rock/Artists/Oasis/images/0502_oasis_4.jpg"]here[/URL]. Appareantley he had to stop singing during one of the songs at Glastonbury 2004 because of the pain, and after that he got a vocal teacher to help him out.

Rats! 10-26-2005 09:53 PM

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]I would say he's alot nasally...especially live. Now do you have any links or anything to something that would help me learn to "sing hard without letting the larynx affect me."

Also can the stance that your singing in really hurt your voice? Cause I was reading that Liam's voice was getting hurt from him singing in his trademark stance.

Which can be seen [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/56/Liam_Gallagher_singing.gif/250px-Liam_Gallagher_singing.gif"]here[/URL] and [URL="http://www.musthear.com/new%20gallery/Rock/Artists/Oasis/images/0502_oasis_4.jpg"]here[/URL]. Appareantley he had to stop singing during one of the songs at Glastonbury 2004 because of the pain, and after that he got a vocal teacher to help him out.[/QUOTE]



yea, if you need to position your throat like that to get the sound you want, then you aren't singing correctly.

Merkaba 10-27-2005 05:17 AM

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]Now do you have any links or anything to something that would help me learn to "sing hard without letting the larynx affect me." [/quote]
page one, under "isolation..."

[quote]

Also can the stance that your singing in really hurt your voice? Cause I was reading that Liam's voice was getting hurt from him singing in his trademark stance. [/quote]Stance can really affect your air support, thus making you more prone to sing "throaty", which isnt good over the long run. But if he has to stop because of pain...the way that he sings(and not scream), then he needs a good coach. No way should his singing style result in pain and stopping, unless of course you drink like a fish, eat crap, lose sleep and dont warm up..which I'm SO SURE liam would never do!

Now I just looked at those pictures. Never ever sing like that. You never want to lift your chin like that...if anything, maybe drop it a tad. I would expect him to run into problems with a crooked neck like that...plus if its cocked to the side more like pic two, youre putting more pressure on one side than the other.

onetrickpony 10-30-2005 03:13 PM

Hi Merk,

Not sure which of your threads to post my question in. Hopefully this one is okay. I've been reading through all of the threads here and slowly starting to work on my singing voice which is terrible.

I spent some time this afternoon trying to match my voice to the open notes on my guitar. I was surprised to find that I could match every string except the low e. Just couldn't get that low. As for the other notes, I compared them to a tuner and they blended in just fine with the guitar. My notes were shakey and sharp most of the time, but I was surprised that I was able to finally feel some connection between my voice and my guitar.

Will spending 30 minutes a night training my voice in this fashion help me improve my singing ability (which I have none of)? I only did this making an AH sound. Should I try this with all the vowel sounds? Ay, E, I, O, Uh?

EDIT - I just had a thought. The B note seems to be the only one that I can pretty music sing at will. The others require me to adjust my voice to match that of the guitar until we're in tune.

Would be it more useful for me to focus on on note a week? Say, spend the next week singing the G (or any) string for 30 or 45 minutes a night - doing all the vowel shapes and any other helpful excersizes and then move onto the next note? Or just learn them all at once?

Thanks for any help.

Merkaba 10-30-2005 10:36 PM

Yes do all vowels.
But don't try to throw darts with your voice. It will make you tense up, probably why you cant find the other notes as easily if youre trying to match the tone and timbre of a guitar string. Just relax as much as possible and play around until you find the notes. It might feel like youre singing deeper than you thought. The typical male voice, once you get around middle C, to the next g youre in head voice territory. Anything below that, it might feel like youre singing deeper than you thought you might. The voice doesnt cover alot of range in a relaxed state. And yes, the low E on a guitar is, well, low. pretty low.

Nergal666 10-30-2005 11:04 PM

hey guys, i have been doing vocals for about three months..
i'm trying to improve my growl. i have been keeping up with these posts, so what I am asking of is to just try and help me identify my weak points..
I recorded this growl straight from computer mic..i'll record some stuff tomorrow through a P.A..i don't know if im using my throat too much or what, i just want a really clean, deep low. an idea would be Kataklysm , or Vital Remains/Deicide.

link:
[url]http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=172AFDF8BTCSF2HMYSE72T0A07[/url]

Dreww 10-31-2005 11:17 AM

[QUOTE=moaner]Will my 2 pints a day milk habit stop me from becoming a semi-competent singer?[/QUOTE]
All I can say is when I stopped drinking milk nonstop like I used to, my singing became much easier.

Rushki Smushki 10-31-2005 02:29 PM

Milk is awesome.

Singing and Milk...not so awesome. Drinking it develops mucus (in the short term, that is) whichs stops the cords vibrating properly.

It's been said before, but:

Because your voice and cord vibration is somewhat restricted by the milk, your tone and range become a little 'tardy. You feel as though you need to push harder to get the sound you want, when really, you just need to drink water to clear your throat out.

There is nothing wrong with milk, but don't use it too hydrate yourself if you're practicing your singing. Drink alot of water, warm up, and keep your throat clear as best as you can.

Especially with screaming, I could never scream properly after eating food or drinking something like milk. I pushed harder thinking I was doing the right thing - Wrong.

Overdoing your cords usually happens when they can't vibrate properly, and this can damage your voice. Bottom Line.

Still drink milk, because you need it - But, balance your singing practice with Water.

'arr :thumb:

siryan 10-31-2005 05:44 PM

kewl so i shouldn't be afraid of milk jus dont drink heaps

also i have a question k is it ok for small amounts of air to be coming out of the nostrils when singing. i can sometimes make the air only come out of the mouth but this is rare

onetrickpony 10-31-2005 11:36 PM

Merk,

I've been working on these excercizes again tonight -- running through vowels with my open guitar notes... and after about 30 minutes of warming up, I was amazed to discover that I can play pretty much any note (excluding those on the low E string) between the first and 5 fret on my guitar and match the pitch within 2 or 3 seconds. I haven't tried any above the 5th fret yet.

I am completely fascinated by this, considering three days ago I had never matched a single note. Does it seem unusual that I am able to do that after a couple of practices or is it normal progress? Either way, it's more than I was expecting.

With enough practice, should I be able to recall these pitches from memory? Right now I can only hit them when I'm singing to the guitar. At the beginning of the session I struggled to "find" a lot of notes, but at the end, it was much more quick and natural. I was able to find notes in a couple of seconds that I've never properly sang before. It's awesome to feel the notes lock together like that.

Also, here's a weird question since I am completely new to singing. You may not be a guitar player, so I don't know if you can answer this:

When I play a G note, I can match it with my voice, but if I am playing a G chord, it doesn't fit as well. It seems like it would fit... I don't fully grasp this I guess.

Thanks again for your help.

Merkaba 11-02-2005 07:08 AM

[QUOTE=Rushki Smushki]Milk is awesome.

Singing and Milk...not so awesome. Drinking it develops mucus (in the short term, that is) whichs stops the cords vibrating properly.

It's been said before, but:

Because your voice and cord vibration is somewhat restricted by the milk, your tone and range become a little 'tardy. You feel as though you need to push harder to get the sound you want, when really, you just need to drink water to clear your throat out.

There is nothing wrong with milk, but don't use it too hydrate yourself if you're practicing your singing. Drink alot of water, warm up, and keep your throat clear as best as you can.

Especially with screaming, I could never scream properly after eating food or drinking something like milk. I pushed harder thinking I was doing the right thing - Wrong.

Overdoing your cords usually happens when they can't vibrate properly, and this can damage your voice. Bottom Line.

Still drink milk, because you need it - But, balance your singing practice with Water.

'arr :thumb:[/QUOTE]

And why do you need milk? Why does a human need the fat, hormone laden, partially undigestable modified sweat from the glands of a bovine animal? Calcium? Nope. Vitamin D? nope. Name how many other mature animals feel the need to suckle....? Cant do it. And if its not organic, you should also be prepared to take in a heap of pesticides, herbicides, steroids, and antibiotics that also get passed through into the milk. Have fun. And we wonder why we get tumors and cancers.
Dont drink milk. Its bad for you. Balance out your singing with a good diet.
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And its ok to have some air venting through the nostrils. Worry more about how your notes feel coming out of your mouth.

DougJI 11-02-2005 04:23 PM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]And why do you need milk? Why does a human need the fat, hormone laden, partially undigestable modified sweat from the glands of a bovine animal? Calcium? Nope. Vitamin D? nope. Name how many other mature animals feel the need to suckle....? Cant do it. And if its not organic, you should also be prepared to take in a heap of pesticides, herbicides, steroids, and antibiotics that also get passed through into the milk. Have fun. And we wonder why we get tumors and cancers.
Dont drink milk. Its bad for you. Balance out your singing with a good diet.
----------------
And its ok to have some air venting through the nostrils. Worry more about how your notes feel coming out of your mouth.[/QUOTE]

It's not like Dairy is one of the 4 essential food groups.

Oh shi...

Ever hear of osteoporosis?

Merkaba 11-03-2005 05:06 PM

4 essential food groups? right, from the FDA, with their RDA's of things like sugar and SatFat? As if its recommended? The four essential food groups, in the same proportions that are used to fatten up pigs before they are slaughtered. Its not like the government is going to say dont eat dairy or beef. It would be "un American". But we all know that governments institutions have ulterior motives, just like with the whole tobacco industry.

Osteoporosis? :lol: Ever hear of green leafy vegetables? Or fortifiied juices, grains, soy products? Where do you think the cow's get calcium from? The bottom line is that cows make cow milk for THEIR young, with THEIR specific needs of growth hormones and steroids, and ONLY when they're pregnant, unless induced further afterwards by drugs. If milk is so great then why dont you drink horse milk or dog milk or human milk since we're humans? Its an industry, with catchy commercials and marketing and you can fall in line if you want. Its like saying Pizza is good for you because you can get lots of calcium. Eat up.

What happens to bodybuilders that take steroids for a while? They get tumors, heart problems, digestive problems, etc. Now when the average joe gets the same we think it's something else. Many times it is. But think about how many people have a glass or two a few times a week of a beverage that first of all is full of the cows natural growth hormones, one of which is ten times more potent than HGH, plus the steroids that are pumped into the cow to keep it healthy and strong while its being kept pregnant all the time in order to make milk, plus the pesticides and herbicides from the food intake, plus the antibiotics that are given the animal becuase its immune system is compromised due to all the impregnation and udder irritation from the constant milking. Combine that with a steak or hamburger plate. And we wonder why we get colon cancer and tumors??? I'm not a member of peta. And like I said, Every blue moon I'll have dairy or beef, but you WILL be ingesting these by products. End of discussion.

Hey, drink/eat up all you want. All I do is supply info. Most people dont warm up, work out, and warm down either. So it wouldnt be the first time something I wrote didnt get heeded. Thats not why I'm here. But if you want to argue about nutrition I guarantee you It wont work in here.

nickname009 11-03-2005 06:34 PM

Full-voiced mid/low screams
 
Merkaba,
I've been doing falsetto screams for the past couple of weeks and they're no problem but now I'm having trouble with full-voiced mid/low screams. There are two types that I'm looking to emulate/learn the technique:

the first is brian fair from shadows fall, he uses his chest voice (i believe) and basically just yells out his notes and pushes, adding the rasp and whatnot. But for some reason, whenever he does it, it's SO THICK and LOW sounding compared to mine. sample:

[URL="http://www.myspace.com/shadowsfall"]http://www.myspace.com/shadowsfall[/URL]


The second is matt heafy from trivium, at first I thought his screams were like burps cause they honestly sound like that at times. I've seen them live and his voice is exactly like the recordings, his screaming is actually quieter than his singing (live).

[URL="http://www.myspace.com/trivium"]http://www.myspace.com/trivium[/URL]

I can attempt the shadows fall type but I don't get it as low or thick or raspy as brian's and also at the end my throat feels slight pain and my normal talking voice changes (usually doesn't when i do falsetto). I attempted matt's screams but was nowhere close. Could you tell me what I should be doing/feeling or anything else to help get these types of screams more comfortable and accurate? Is it just that my cords are weak and I need to make'em stronger to get past the slight pain/voice change? Or am I doing it wrong and 'scraping' my throat too much?
Thanks in advance!

zoom11219 11-04-2005 05:47 PM

Screaming...
 
Hello,
I am really new to this..
I have a question..i really want to learn how to scream... They searching for screamers in my school band.. can some1 help..
i tried to read those other topics..but i dont understand them...im really a beginner and dont really know a lot about singing...
Can some1 help me?
thank you..

DougJI 11-04-2005 09:54 PM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]4 essential food groups? right, from the FDA, with their RDA's of things like sugar and SatFat? As if its recommended? The four essential food groups, in the same proportions that are used to fatten up pigs before they are slaughtered. Its not like the government is going to say dont eat dairy or beef. It would be "un American". But we all know that governments institutions have ulterior motives, just like with the whole tobacco industry.

Osteoporosis? :lol: Ever hear of green leafy vegetables? Or fortifiied juices, grains, soy products? Where do you think the cow's get calcium from? The bottom line is that cows make cow milk for THEIR young, with THEIR specific needs of growth hormones and steroids, and ONLY when they're pregnant, unless induced further afterwards by drugs. If milk is so great then why dont you drink horse milk or dog milk or human milk since we're humans? Its an industry, with catchy commercials and marketing and you can fall in line if you want. Its like saying Pizza is good for you because you can get lots of calcium. Eat up.

What happens to bodybuilders that take steroids for a while? They get tumors, heart problems, digestive problems, etc. Now when the average joe gets the same we think it's something else. Many times it is. But think about how many people have a glass or two a few times a week of a beverage that first of all is full of the cows natural growth hormones, one of which is ten times more potent than HGH, plus the steroids that are pumped into the cow to keep it healthy and strong while its being kept pregnant all the time in order to make milk, plus the pesticides and herbicides from the food intake, plus the antibiotics that are given the animal becuase its immune system is compromised due to all the impregnation and udder irritation from the constant milking. Combine that with a steak or hamburger plate. And we wonder why we get colon cancer and tumors??? I'm not a member of peta. And like I said, Every blue moon I'll have dairy or beef, but you WILL be ingesting these by products. End of discussion.

Hey, drink/eat up all you want. All I do is supply info. Most people dont warm up, work out, and warm down either. So it wouldnt be the first time something I wrote didnt get heeded. Thats not why I'm here. But if you want to argue about nutrition I guarantee you It wont work in here.[/QUOTE]

I'm fat, so my opinion about nutrition shouldn't matter anyways.

Merkaba 11-05-2005 05:02 AM

[QUOTE=zoom11219]Hello,
I am really new to this..
I have a question..i really want to learn how to scream... They searching for screamers in my school band.. can some1 help..
i tried to read those other topics..but i dont understand them...im really a beginner and dont really know a lot about singing...
Can some1 help me?
thank you..[/QUOTE]

No need in rushing. If youre a totally newbie, learn to sing or take lessons. If you cant do it "naturally" then be careful. It will take some time to learn and get a good feel of technique and how much you can push yourself. You may not be the guy for the job. But if you really want to be a singer/screamer then consider if you start now, later you will be prime. I dont know what your scope of time is, but if you just want a few paragraphs that will magically have you wailing at the top of your lungs, its not gonna happen. But hey, give it a go, you'll never know if you dont.

UsefulIdi0t 11-05-2005 06:01 AM

So my dad told me that he was listening to NPR a few weeks ago and there was this opera singer who could scream( im assuming a falsetto type scream) very well. She was being interviewed and the guy who interviewed her was able to scream like her by the time it was over. I guess she teaches people how to do it properly, but she taught him on air and I really wanted to hear this but I cant find it anywhere. Did anyone hear this or know about her? Sorry that I dont have anymore info on her.

Screamin_Demon_Auz 11-05-2005 11:15 AM

Im not sure who it is, but my guess would be melissa cross.

[url]www.melissacross.com[/url]

zoom11219 11-05-2005 08:23 PM

well...
I do sing tho...idk if that helps...
i just need to know how do i scream like underoathish/senses fail..
like i heard that u have to damage ur vocal cords or something...can u give me some tips..thx

panthersfan16 11-05-2005 08:54 PM

Hey Merk, I've noticed after about 2 hours or so at the gym, my voice is not only clearer, but stronger and richer in tone. I was just wondering why this happens, because if I could sing like that all the time, I'd get a lot more respect from my bandmates. It's also a lot easier to scream, they sound more dry and angry, and I can do it like that for a few hours without straining or hurting my voice. In case it helps, I warmup for about ten minutes, lift for an hour or so, and cardio for 20-30 minutes. I don't always do cardio but it doesn't seem to matter. Thanks


and to Zoom: Damaging your vocal cords isn't worth it...you wont be able to talk correctly and it will not improve the sound. These guys didn't make it big trying to replicate another singer to a tee. You are better off developing your own voice and learning how to achieve the sound you want through practice and technique

eski 11-06-2005 10:50 PM

"well...
I do sing tho...idk if that helps...
i just need to know how do i scream like underoathish/senses fail..
like i heard that u have to damage ur vocal cords or something...can u give me some tips..thx"

You certainly do not have to damage your vocal cords!!!! Read the hundreds of posts about screaming on this board, there lies basically everything you need to know

Merkaba 11-08-2005 12:59 AM

[QUOTE=panthersfan16]Hey Merk, I've noticed after about 2 hours or so at the gym, my voice is not only clearer, but stronger and richer in tone. I was just wondering why this happens, because if I could sing like that all the time, I'd get a lot more respect from my bandmates. It's also a lot easier to scream, they sound more dry and angry, and I can do it like that for a few hours without straining or hurting my voice. In case it helps, I warmup for about ten minutes, lift for an hour or so, and cardio for 20-30 minutes. I don't always do cardio but it doesn't seem to matter. Thanks


and to Zoom: Damaging your vocal cords isn't worth it...you wont be able to talk correctly and it will not improve the sound. These guys didn't make it big trying to replicate another singer to a tee. You are better off developing your own voice and learning how to achieve the sound you want through practice and technique[/QUOTE]
I spoke about this in my warm up thread or somewhere before a few times. Its simple. Your whole body is more limber and more circulated, this will include your cords. More blood circulated through them and thus more hydration and energy, making them and the false cords way more flexible and "alive". This is also why I recommend a vocal warmup of at least thirty minutes if its possible. And why I say nutrition and fitness will make a big difference. Its pretty simple. After a while your cords stay closer to this feel, just like the rest of your body gets in better shape and stays closer to a point of readiness.

Nergal666 11-08-2005 10:10 AM

Has anyone got a recording of themselves doing the throaty type scream/growl that Zao, Black Dahlia Murder, or Haste The Day, etc do?
**** sounds weird but I like it...I heard they use alot of their throat for it, not really sure what they're doing..they all sound exactly the same though..

ZAO: [url]www.purevolume.com/zao[/url]
Haste The Day: [url]www.myspace.com/hastetheday[/url]
or Black Dahlia Murder: [url]www.myspace.com/blackdahliamurder[/url]

tatsu 11-09-2005 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=Nergal666]Has anyone got a recording of themselves doing the throaty type scream/growl that Zao, Black Dahlia Murder, or Haste The Day, etc do?
**** sounds weird but I like it...I heard they use alot of their throat for it, not really sure what they're doing..they all sound exactly the same though..

ZAO: [url]www.purevolume.com/zao[/url]
Haste The Day: [url]www.myspace.com/hastetheday[/url]
or Black Dahlia Murder: [url]www.myspace.com/blackdahliamurder[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, I don't have a recording of it, but I'm pretty sure it's just a lot of air rushing through your throat, with next to no scratch. I'm sorry, I'm no good at explaining. I love Zao. Umm... when you were young, did you ever try honking like a goose? Where all you did was push tons of air through your throat? That's kind of the idea, though it may be a little different is some respects. I can somewhat do this, but it sounds awful from me, and I can't get enough air to go verse after verse like Zao, but I can do it... I don't know, experiment, try all you can, it just takes practice, and you can do almost anything!

Merkaba 11-11-2005 02:17 AM

Its all the same. Have you read much of the links at the begining of this thread?

Peg Dizzler 11-11-2005 06:57 AM

Hey Merk, whatsup? I got "The Rock N Roll Singer's Survival Guide" recently. Great book! I'll discuss some of that later though, since I know you have the book. I'll probably be back on like monday or something.

Anyway, I just wanted to say I got that "how to scream" thread closed! :D

Merkaba 11-11-2005 09:00 AM

Hehe...I'm forever at your mercy now, Thanks!

brainproof 11-12-2005 09:27 PM

just a tip to any aspiring singers who cant sing for crap:

your probally still in school, and you dont want to take vocal lessons because they are costly and your very shy about your voice, you dont want to try and sing in front of someone who sings for their life. i know i didn't. My friends got me to join choir because they needed more people. At the beginning of the school year, i could not sing at ALL. i was far below average. I could not match a note, not that i was tone def, i could tune a guitar, but i couldn;t find the note in my throat. If you take choir, you will be in a beginning choir around a lot of people who are just as bad as you, so you can sing so quietly no one will here you. You will be forced to practice at least every week day for almost an hour.

now, just into second quarter, i can sing along with songs, staying fairly on key. by no means am a good singer... yet. but ive only been singing for a couple months. matching notes is no longer a problem. if you can sing a choir style, then you can just manipulate the way you hit the notes into a rock or whatever style.

the best part about it is its free, and you have to practice atleast 5/7 days a week.

i stringly suggest taking a choir class if you want to sing, or become a better singer and dont have money for one on one vocal lessons.

Screamin_Demon_Auz 11-13-2005 12:59 PM

[url]http://www.melissacross.com/news_detail.php?articleID=12[/url]

That may be what your dad was talking about UsefulIdi0t

Peg Dizzler 11-14-2005 05:45 AM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Hehe...I'm forever at your mercy now, Thanks![/QUOTE]

Now that I think of it, I think I got it deleted. So we sacrificed a few posts to get rid of that horrible excuse for a vocal thread. :D
P.S. what kind of scream would [insert stupid MTV band here] fall into?? :p

Anyway, I've been readin that rock n' roll survival guide book a bit, and I read the part about different exercises, and how pushups and things of the sort tighten your vocal cords. I remember you mentioning that as well awhile ago. So are pushups good to do, or not? Also, what is the proper way to lift heavy things? Besides keeping my back straight and using my knees, of course. I life a bit of heavy stuff at work, so should I purposely try holding my breath as I life something? The book wasn't exactly clear on that subject, I think.

Merkaba 11-14-2005 06:34 AM

hehe...yea...thanks again then!

I dont really worry much about working out and stuff. I mean its important to keep it in mind. I mean you've got to breath. The basics like inhale on the negatives and exhale during the exertions are key to getting a good air supply for your workout. I would just try to avoid a lot of audible grunting. Your cords are always gonna tighten a bit and close up when you strain, its part of their purpose. I think if you take care of your voice it wont make enough of a difference. Plus I sing on the way to and from the gym...so it just doesn't concern me at all. But you dont want to bust a vein or pass out in the gym worrying about your cords. So dont hold your breath or alter it.

Peg Dizzler 11-14-2005 01:00 PM

Yeah I get what mean. I mean I don't really grunt or make noises alot when lifting or working out, haha. I was just wondering if there was any right or wrong way to doing it at all, besides simply not trying to tighten the cords and not make noise.

Another question though:
I've finally become un-lazy and I've started working on vocals again, ever since I got this book. For a few months there I was hardly working on anything vocally each day, because I wanted to wait until I got a book or a teacher or something so I could work on proper technique, incase I might have been doing something wrong.

Anyway; I've still been working my upper register alot, and my chest voice too. I have not, however, done much stuff with rasp or any screaming lately. When I do though, it feels scratchy. I remember it feeling like that before, but after awhile I think it went away the more I did it. Now I know scratchiness is a bad sign though. I guess that's why some vocalists think that "rock vocals" and rasp is bad for your voice, haha (I encountered some teachers like that, in my search for a vocal teacher). Anyway, I'm just wondering if there's any warmups I should be doing before using rasp, or if I should just slowly use more and more as I warm up, or any other remedy. Or is it feeling scratchy because my throat isn't "used to it" as much, like it's weaker now that I haven't been using rasp? Any help on this would be great.

Merkaba 11-14-2005 02:44 PM

Well is it your throat or you cords? I would say your throat probably. If its your throat you know its probably coming from the sudden extra air blasting it now. That you'll probably get used to, tissue wise and it should be ok after a while. If its your cords you will feel it when you do medium pushed buzzes, like a good slow E. As far as warming up to rasp....i just usually just try to ease into it a little at a time over the course of about ten minutes. But depends on how raspy a song is youre gonna jump into. Just take it easy and pay attention and you should be alright.

Peg Dizzler 11-14-2005 05:20 PM

Definitely my throat.

And yeah that does make sense. I suppose I should try easing into it more, and doing it everyday too. Then I probably won't notice it. Thanks! :)

Merkaba 11-15-2005 04:12 PM

I'd say so too. No problemo


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