[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]Mess up the lyrics? LOL

Yeah that was pretty good.[/QUOTE]
yeah they are pretty tough lyrics to get down. I didn't really study them and i read off the page for the most part. Thanks for your input I appreciate it!

/gets sarcasm

To not double post, when I scream or growl, i feel like my stomach muscles are working out. Is this pushing from the gut?

Hey does anybody know what's the difference between super head voice and whistle register?

Im trying to develop more of metal voice, lamb of god, kill switch, all that remains, as i lay dying sort of voice. I sort of got it and working on the tips merkaba keps talking about but i still seem to lack volume. and suggestions?:chug:

[QUOTE=JadedBass]Im trying to develop more of metal voice, lamb of god, kill switch, all that remains, as i lay dying sort of voice. I sort of got it and working on the tips merkaba keps talking about but i still seem to lack volume. and suggestions?:chug:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_-_Metal_Vocal_Tutorial.mp3[/url]
copy and paste that and give it a listen. It helped me a lot. You don't really need to be that loud. My scream is usually just over speaking voice level. Let the microphone do the work and pusch from the gut.

Regarding my recording, I was told that my low screams/growls were better than my higher screams. Im pretty much just using the back of my throat to get those. Is there anything I can do or would practice be best? Is water the best thing to drink while doing this, or would something to insulate be better. Like warm milk or something, chocolate milk?

oh and another thing. After screaming for about 3 hours every day for 3 days. I feel like the muscle around my adams apple has had a workout. Is this normal. I remember hearing in merkabas recordings that you pull that grr thing back to scream. And thats what I do. So is it normal for it to feel worked. It doesnt really hurt.

Yeah I know the feeling fuzzyhair. But that usually happens to be when I try to reach notes beyond my vocal range lol, yeah but anyway it usually wears out the next morning when my vocal cords have a rest so I don't think it's serious or anything, just some tired muscles. But still, you shouldn't tire them out everyday, it can eventually screw your voice up.

I'm gunna repeat my question since noone answered lol.

I was trying to reach my highest note while doing glisses and I got to this.

Is this in my whistle register? (my friend says its an F6)

[url]http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21V56I701TSUM1ER00QGLFDCJ2[/url]


and what's the difference between whistle register and superhead voice?

Thanks....

OMG...just did this high note. I think this is my highest ever!

[url]http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0178OPFRZNRKG2BVC5R1PD5XAZ[/url]

[B][/B][QUOTE=fuzzyhair]Regarding my recording, I was told that my low screams/growls were better than my higher screams. Im pretty much just using the back of my throat to get those. Is there anything I can do or would practice be best? Is water the best thing to drink while doing this, or would something to insulate be better. Like warm milk or something, chocolate milk?

oh and another thing. After screaming for about 3 hours every day for 3 days. I feel like the muscle around my adams apple has had a workout. Is this normal. [B]I remember hearing in merkabas recordings that you pull that grr thing back to scream.[/B] And thats what I do. So is it normal for it to feel worked. It doesnt really hurt.[/QUOTE]

Where are these recordings? I'm like you, my high screams are far weaker than my lows.

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]OMG...just did this high note. I think this is my highest ever!

[url]http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0178OPFRZNRKG2BVC5R1PD5XAZ[/url][/QUOTE]
This is definitely whistle. If you want to strengthen it and work with it be sure to do clean voice singing, and to warm down after a workout.

[QUOTE=JadedBass]Im trying to develop more of metal voice, lamb of god, kill switch, all that remains, as i lay dying sort of voice. I sort of got it and working on the tips merkaba keps talking about but i still seem to lack volume. and suggestions?:chug:[/QUOTE]
You must do more normal voice singing. Pure and simple

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair] Is there anything I can do or would practice be best? Is water the best thing to drink while doing this, or would something to insulate be better. Like warm milk or something, chocolate milk? [/quote] [SIZE="4"]AAARRRRRHHHHH!!!!!!!! [/SIZE] [B][SIZE="4"]Blasphamy!!! [/SIZE][/B] :lol: Go here and read the mucus sections. Entertaining(not just from me but other posters) and informative. And if you really think about it...what could insulate your cords? They are in your windpipe! Please read----->[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair]
oh and another thing. After screaming for about 3 hours every day for 3 days. I feel like the muscle around my adams apple has had a workout. Is this normal. I remember hearing in merkabas recordings that you pull that grr thing back to scream. And thats what I do. So is it normal for it to feel worked. It doesnt really hurt.[/QUOTE]
If you work it, it will feel worked. The less proper it is the more your larynx will have to work actually. True voice singing in your normal "tessitura" or truevoice vocal range could be done pretty much all day with no ill affects. Be sure to warm up and warm down. If you've gotten to where you can scream that much its really a matter of just working to get and keep things consitent and crisper, and taking care of the tissues. If you can do ANYTHING for three hours without pain, we can assume your technique is at the least decent. Probabably superior, as far as the rasping goes. If you want more tone and power you've got to do true voice singing. Its my new creed. True Voice Singing, in all your range, with a tad more push than necessary.

Yeah I still have little control over it. Like I can't do any note I want, I just jump between them. Do you know any exercises to strengthen it? thanks

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]Yeah I still have little control over it. Like I can't do any note I want, I just jump between them. Do you know any exercises to strengthen it? thanks[/QUOTE]
well whistle occurs when the cords are closed tight and the air squeeks out...many times, as in your case part of the cords will be closed, for the whistle and another part open, which is why you hear the background airyness.

Anything that strengthens keeping the cords closed under pressure(true voice singing...ahem) while potentially help whistle. But be aware that whistle is acquired alot when the cords are swollen from sickness, mucus or from a long workout. This makes it easier to squeek air through the fat swollen part. But this is the same type of thing that produces notes. The air wears and roughens the spot because the cords arent vibrating.This is why singing with hoarse or painfull or swollen cords is bad because youre still gonna have air shooting through this swollen area. So be careful.

Anyone have any insight on how to use Falsetto? I would like to learn, but i'm completely blind on how to accomplish it.

Hey Merkaba or Surgicalgod, would this be a good purchase.
[URL="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E97HVM/qid=1141180661/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9698421-8710402?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130"]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E97HVM/qid=1141180661/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9698421-8710402?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130[/URL]

Good purchase

I don't have it but they say it's good. I'm leaving screaming for now, I want to work on my range first. Have you tried the Melissa Cross DVD's?

Hey Mer did you get a sec to listen to my sound clip of singing to help with my screaming?

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair][url]http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_-_Metal_Vocal_Tutorial.mp3[/url]
copy and paste that and give it a listen. It helped me a lot. You don't really need to be that loud. My scream is usually just over speaking voice level. Let the microphone do the work and pusch from the gut.[/QUOTE]

At the mention of this I'm going to advise nobody to ever attempt a "gut" scream. It is very damaging to your vocal chords.

Nearly all screams/growls/etc should be done with your "falsetto" voice. It doesn't have to be loud as the post I quoted has stated; just let the microphone do the work.

The "falsetto" voice is basically the little girly voice in the back of your throat. It only uses a small portion of your vocal chords, so it's safer and more efficient to use for aggressive vocal styles.

I have a few specific questions regarding the technique I'm using to get my harsh vocals (growling). I have been using the technique I do for about three months, and I don't practice too frequently. It's really not painful at all until I do it for longer than an hour, when it starts to get pretty uncomfortable. I basically use the technique I hear is most recommended: pushing from the diaphragm.

First, I can't get any length on them. I feel like I'm pushing quite a bit to get only about 7 or so seconds of pure growling. I uploaded a clip of me growling for as long as I can, starting with my lungs almost full.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28CNNBBCR5GFA2OS9XU57T7QFN[/url]

Second, I hate the tone I get when I scream. I rarely ever get any "note" in my growling, and I know how to stop it when I do, but I can't seem to stop a "note" from coming out when I scream. It feels like the "rasp" of the scream is getting more choppy as I open my mouth more and more, and the rasp is almost gone when I open my mouth as wide as I can. I uploaded a clip of me going from a growl into a scream, using the exact same technique but opening my mouth a lot more.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=146LWO2EVNSLI1KM0CTTPDYF3G[/url]

This clip is one of me attempting a scream. You can clearly hear my regular singing voice coming through the scream.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2FB59KKX056IT0DHZRO57UGT44[/url]

This last clip is a bit redundant, but it demonstrates how the rasp gets more and more choppy as I open my mouth more.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=211V4L8RGW0X40Z6I2UOZC9ET7[/url]

If someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong or give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not worried about my normal growling, just the length I can go for and the tone of my screaming. Thanks very much.

[QUOTE=Toaster]I have a few specific questions regarding the technique I'm using to get my harsh vocals (growling). I have been using the technique I do for about three months, and I don't practice too frequently. It's really not painful at all until I do it for longer than an hour, when it starts to get pretty uncomfortable. I basically use the technique I hear is most recommended: pushing from the diaphragm.

First, I can't get any length on them. I feel like I'm pushing quite a bit to get only about 7 or so seconds of pure growling. I uploaded a clip of me growling for as long as I can, starting with my lungs almost full.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28CNNBBCR5GFA2OS9XU57T7QFN[/url]

Second, I hate the tone I get when I scream. I rarely ever get any "note" in my growling, and I know how to stop it when I do, but I can't seem to stop a "note" from coming out when I scream. It feels like the "rasp" of the scream is getting more choppy as I open my mouth more and more, and the rasp is almost gone when I open my mouth as wide as I can. I uploaded a clip of me going from a growl into a scream, using the exact same technique but opening my mouth a lot more.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=146LWO2EVNSLI1KM0CTTPDYF3G[/url]

This clip is one of me attempting a scream. You can clearly hear my regular singing voice coming through the scream.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2FB59KKX056IT0DHZRO57UGT44[/url]

This last clip is a bit redundant, but it demonstrates how the rasp gets more and more choppy as I open my mouth more.

[url]http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=211V4L8RGW0X40Z6I2UOZC9ET7[/url]

If someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong or give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it. I'm not worried about my normal growling, just the length I can go for and the tone of my screaming. Thanks very much.[/QUOTE]

Well I know the answers to your question. This seems to be just like the dog whisperer. He always ends up just walking the dog. (its a tv show btw.) Mainly it's the best and only thing to do with a dog. So take the dog whispers advice and use it for your growling. Just sing cleanly more often. Warm up more. This will help a tenfold. Also check out the zen of screaming by melissa cross. I think im gonna buy it once I get some $$$.

Just some warning...
The Zen of Screaming is basic vocal technique. There are no real instructions on how to actually scream or growl in it. She's working on The Zen of Screaming Part 2 right now which will be all about screaming. Still it's worth getting because its stuff your going to need anyway to keep your voice after screaming and growling, and it's the basics you need to have down by the time the next DVD is available. Just wanted to warn you in case your expecting step by step screaming instructions. If thats what you need, check out Mark Baxter's MP3 download, the 5 secrets of screaming. It's on [url]www.getsigned.com[/url] which has Melissa's DVD too and I think its a bit cheaper on there.

Head Voice
 

I just don't get it.

I tried everything to access my head voice and I just can't do it and if I can then I can't tell it apart from falsetto.

It's kinda ridculous too, I mean I can zip my chords up to whistle but can't do it halfway to head voice. I tried narrowing vowels and such but I either end up with stretching my chest voice, or falsetto (could be head voice though, I can't tell). Did anyone have this problem? It's just so frustrating.

I think I'm one of those people with really stubborn vocal habits.

I read Merkaba's voice hotline parts: "Vocal Chord Isolation" and "Finding Your Head Voice". And I'm currently doing glisses though I don't get whats the use if I'm starting at falsetto? I'd appreciate any kind of help. Oh and yeah over the years I've developed a pretty good falsetto so that's one more thing against me.

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]I just don't get it.

I tried everything to access my head voice and I just can't do it and if I can then I can't tell it apart from falsetto.

It's kinda ridculous too, I mean I can zip my chords up to whistle but can't do it halfway to head voice. I tried narrowing vowels and such but I either end up with stretching my chest voice, or falsetto (could be head voice though, I can't tell). Did anyone have this problem? It's just so frustrating.

I think I'm one of those people with really stubborn vocal habits.

I read Merkaba's voice hotline parts: "Vocal Chord Isolation" and "Finding Your Head Voice". And I'm currently doing glisses though I don't get whats the use if I'm starting at falsetto? I'd appreciate any kind of help. Oh and yeah over the years I've developed a pretty good falsetto so that's one more thing against me.[/QUOTE]
Post a sample of you starting on the a below middle C and doing a staccato rise. c for a second pause, d for a second...pause e....and so on til youre in falsetto. And with the glisses...you dont have to start in falsetto...you start in deep chest and rise up.....and /or falsetto down to deep chest. The idea is to realize where or if you are losing control at. If you can make a smooth line up or down then youre 99% likely to be going through head. Its not gonna sound or feel smooth if you dont go through head voice to get to the top or bottom ya know? Try the stacatto(broken notes), then post a gliss from low to high and high to low.

I'm sick so I can't do the "A3 --> infinity" thing rightnow lol. The phelgm will make it harder to sing and I don't want to do any damage.

Here's the gliss though Up to down and down to up. It's a weird siren lol.

[url]http://s59.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39V7VLY7M1AQI1Q19IRB4BNMMP[/url]


By the way I always switch to falsetto aroun G4-A4 I think, from what I last remember.

Your gliss....It didnt sound bad at all. But you should do it slower. Just to practice. It will teach you better breath support over time. Remember you dont want to blow out the candle. Plus, on the rising one, You jumped right at your bridge into falsetto. You probably could easily get two more notes in head. If you listen you can hear yourself kinda speed up into it a tad. Its typical. But that area right there you should try to hold onto. Just go slower. Its that feeling that will help make you stronger and be able to support higher tension in the cords. You can be right there at that bridge and make it head voice instead of jumping into falsetto so early. Take a listen

this thread seems to be JUST what i was looking for...

ok, I used to be able to sing before I was visited by the "hairy fairy". I used to sing stuff at school etc, but after I hit puberty i kinda stopped and never picked it back up...

well, now I'm in a band and I think I'm the only one who could possibly sing, so I made a ****ty little sample and decided to come here looking for a critique...

[URL="http://media.putfile.com/12341234"]http://media.putfile.com/12341234[/URL]

ok, thats me singing Catch 22's 12341234, please excuse....
1. the ****ty guitar, im a bassist
2. the ****ty quality, it was a quick run through with a computer mic...
3. some rather ****ty pronunciation, i know it sounds like i say "soap in your eyes" at the end.....

basically what im looking for here is an idea of how pleasing my voice is, its kinda raspy, but thats kinda the sound im going for, what im more concerned about its key and pitch etc.

now to me, it sounds pretty good, i think i might go a [I]little[/I] off key on the "whine whine whine" part, but im not entirely sure. ive judged myself to be a pretty poor judge of my own work (hahaha, i just realized how ironic that is...)

anyways, any help is appreciated, thanks in advance

[QUOTE]basically what im looking for here is an idea of how pleasing my voice is, its kinda raspy, but thats kinda the sound im going for, what im more concerned about its key and pitch etc.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah the tone is good and sing in tune. I've never heard the original so I can't compare. If it makes you feel better, you're alot better than most of the people I've heard in the same genre.

[QUOTE]You probably could easily get two more notes in head[/QUOTE]

If it's not too much, could you tell me where (what second) I'm in head voice cause I never knew I can get to head voice lol. Yeah I'll record everything tomorrow, cause now everybody thinks I'm weird. I'm always making siren noises and creaking doors :) .

Again, thanks alot Merkaba you're great!

This is an A3-F5 recording. I think I switched to falsetto at around G4, I can pull it off when I pull up chest voice but I didn't want to strain. I've heard that baritones (me) go into head voice at about G4? So I'm not really accessing my headvoice at any point right? Are you supposed to feel the vibrations in your head? cause I never feel that.

Here's the link:
[url]http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3W3KRSJ71TVJG0BEVXU26H3HTN[/url]

I can get to Ab5 in falsetto, then I start whistle at A5 then the highest I ever got was a C#7, I have little control over it tough, so I skip notes and the ones I do aren't that much clear.

Btw, don't mind the light raspiness in some notes, I was just doing "Secrets Of Screaming" by Mark Baxter. I really recommend it to everyone here. It does incredible improvement in just 20 minutes time. You can buy an mp3 download from [url]www.getsigned.com[/url].

[QUOTE=Surgicalgod]


If it's not too much, could you tell me where (what second) I'm in head voice cause I never knew I can get to head voice lol. Yeah I'll record everything tomorrow, cause now everybody thinks I'm weird. I'm always making siren noises and creaking doors :) .

Again, thanks alot Merkaba you're great![/QUOTE]
Right at 12 seconds. If I'm not mistaken you might have skipped over your head voice. Quite common though.

If you cant access head, just pick notes around middle C and try to sing them one at a time, on the AH vowel. Try to say them as you sing them. Think about saying them as if you were just talking them. This can sometimes get you into the act of true voice, which is what you use when you talk of course.