[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I'm doing fine, RCA, thanks.

I just ate a late dinner, and 24 is on in fifteen minutes, so things are going okay.

Hopefully tonight's show doesn't suck. Last week's was amazing, but this season has a tendency to have a good-bad-good-bad-good-bad, etc. order. So we'll see.[/QUOTE]

yea i hope its good

[QUOTE=RippingCorpseAttack]Tonight will be the first time I watch this season's 24.

How is this season as compared to the last two?[/QUOTE]
Great.

Way better than last season. A bit better/almost as good than the one before.

[QUOTE=RippingCorpseAttack]Tonight will be the first time I watch this season's 24.

How is this season as compared to the last two?[/QUOTE]
Now it has many stories going down through the whole day.
I think it's the kidnapping, an internet virus and something else...can't recall, really.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Now it has many stories going down through the whole day.
I think it's the kidnapping, an internet virus and something else...can't recall, really.[/QUOTE]
All of the little stories within it have a connection with the main plot; a terrorist attack.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I always found Plato funny. I know, in seriousness, that his writing is good and effective and incisive and everything, but on the face of it it always seems to be really blunt writing "trick" to get people to agree with him. So you get exchanges like;

Guy: Socrates, it seems to me that there is no such thing as right and wrong and we should all be free to kill each other, and.. *learned discourse*
Socrates: Ah, but if this is so, then the sky must move like this, and the certainty of reality...etc etc..is that not so?
Guy: Yes, Socrates.
Socrates: And then..*three-page monologue*..yes?
Guy: Certainly it is so, Socrates.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

The sad thing is that that is sooooo true, especially the *three-page monologue* part.

To thing that my profs at uni want us to use the Socratic method when we teach.

Example:

Teacher: Today we will try to understand what we mean by the concepts of right and wrong. Bartender, what are examples of conduct you consider wrong or immoral?

Student: Lying is wrong.

Teacher: But what if you were living in Nazi Germany in 1940 and you were harboring a certain Jewish man named Nathan Cohen, who was wanted by the Nazis? If asked by a Nazi if you knew teh whereabouts of Mr. Cohen, wouldn't it be acceptable... even obligatory, to lie?

Student: I suppose so, yes.

Teacher: So could you rephrase what you meant when you said lying was immoral?

Student: I think what I meant is that it is usually wrong to lie, but it is true that there are times when lying is acceptable, because the overall effects of the lie are good. Mr. Cohen would have been spared, and my lie would have saved his life.

Teacher: So are you saying it is okay to lie as long as the consequences of the lie are positive?

Student: [about to say something]

Teacher: Wait, let's explore a hypothetical situation: I am a business tycoon who makes millions of dollars sselling diamonds to investors. I sell only to very rich people who can afford to lose the money they invest in my diamonds. I tell them that my diamonds are worth $10,000 each (sorry, I dunno the conversion to pounds), but they are fake and only worth $1,000. Rather than keeping the profits myself, I give it to the poor, helping them obtain the food and shelter they need to live. If you look at the obvious consequences of my business, the rich get slightly poor and the needy get aided immensely. You may conclude, then, that my business has a positive effect on society, and yet because my business is based on fraud, I find it immoral. Do you agree?

Student: Yes, I find it immoral. I suppose I was wrong in saying that whenever a lie has generally good results it is morally acceptable. In your diamond example, unlike the Nazi example, the lie was directed at innocent people and the harm done to them was significant. I want to change my earlier statement that a lie is acceptable whenever it has good results. Instead, I want to say that you should never lie to people if it will cause them significant harm.

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Man, I don't think I could think on my feet like that :(

Well, I'm off to watch 24.

:wave:

So lying has good and bad results, no matter the situation?

Hey everyone.

I like the new title. :lol: Makes me feel "upper-class".

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's an effective style though, you introduce common criticisms, then systematically destroy them and give your interpretation which is in turn easier to palate since you have shown the other side to be so wrong :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it is a good style, once you get past the apparent ineptness of the style. Philosophical texts don't often introduce (advanced) objections to the author's view within their own text; usually they're attended to in Objections and Replies following the publishing of the text. So with philosophers being relatively few and far between, a dialogue was a good method of getting around the awkwardness of that.

NP Conflict - The Arrest

So much information in just 1:17 :-/

[QUOTE=RippingCorpseAttack]Well, I'm off to watch 24.

:wave:[/QUOTE]
Lates.

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]story[/QUOTE]
My honors class is like that too. Luckily I'm pretty established as having no morals and so it's fairly easy to answer those sort of things...the best way to go is just to be offensive and not worry about it :)

I just came back from a school award ceremony for high GPA's. Last time I checked, I had a 4.2 or around that.

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]:lol:

The sad thing is that that is sooooo true, especially the *three-page monologue* part.

To thing that my profs at uni want us to use the Socratic method when we teach.

*example*

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Man, I don't think I could think on my feet like that :([/QUOTE]

My tutor (technically temporary tutor, but I hope he stays, because he > my actual tutor) for core modules (Marco) has a much more conversational style. He does much the same thing, but you never feel like Meno at the end :)

Plus he's Sicilian, and far too laid back for his own good.

[QUOTE=Woodstock]I just came back from a school award ceremony for high GPA's. Last time I checked, I had a 4.2 or around that.[/QUOTE]
Holy crap that's high.

I'm only getting a 3.2 or something.

[QUOTE=Bartender]Plus he's Sicilian[/QUOTE]
Does he have connections to the Mafia back in the Old Country?

He won't say :( He's another lecturer/tutor of mine who makes great use of anecdotes though, so he rules.

On a related note, my great aunt, lives in Florida, is an Italian New Yorker, and she also tells great stories (sometimes with those links to the Mafia).

wow no one around anymore eh?

i found out a cool little anecdote about my last name

When my ancestors came over from Italy they had to change their last name to Augustine instead of DeAugustino...i forget if the A i capitalized or not

Why did they have to change it?

When my great grandfather came over from Poland, he changed his last name from Vrach (or something along that line) to Rock.

[QUOTE=Bartender]Why did they have to change it?[/QUOTE]Could've been anything from trying to fit in to the person on Ellis Island just didn't know how to spell it.

I think it was changed so it was a little shorter or it was like what hippo said

btw anyone watch The Contender tonight?

Speaking of Italy. I was on a really strange Salvia trip on Friday where I was at a marketplace in Italy and a fat Italian lady was yelling at me to get do something..but I couldn't understand her because she was speaking Italian. But I understood I needed a bundle of papers. When I came out of the trip I was grabbing for the TV guide on the coffee table in front of me, because I thought it was the bundle of papers or something.

My home town has the italian connection. :)

My girlfriend is part of it.

i like rackin some salvia from time to time

ATTN: 24 is pretty good so far.

I'm in the Mexican Mafia.


Represent.

[QUOTE=halfdeadhippo]When my great grandfather came over from Poland, he changed his last name from Vrach (or something along that line) to Rock.[/QUOTE]
Same here.

When my grandfather came from Russia to America, he had to change his name from __________stein to just plain Stein.

Sort of weird, because Stein sounds more German than Russian.

My last name means from Cyprus.*

*uninteresting fact I learmed doing my genealogy report