people who are devout christians are just more gullible and willing to accept things blindly. if they were born in the middle east they would be muslims. there's nothing special about christianity, it's just another made up belief system to deceive yourself.

why do you believe in christianity and not islam?

i worship myself

cuz islum is for sand ******z retard

[QUOTE=P13;18437523]hey adb do you discard all science and mathematics because the two basic theories that define all of both are used to prove each other?[/QUOTE]

nah

and frankie, your other vice is jackin

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437531]As much as I would like to believe people can get through the day without the crutch of drug addiction or religious beliefs - it's a fact some people need that. I need smoking at this point in time, that's my crutch.

It's just as hypocritical to rely on a drug which have serious health draw backs to induce happiness as it is to base your life principles in an omnipotent god. It's not sound logic for myself to carry on smoking and relieve stress and make me feel happy considering the health implications it has.[/QUOTE]

I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437529]are you seriously trying to compare science to religion as if religion is based on facts and logic?

lol[/QUOTE]

no
I'm saying that belief and acceptance is the same thing in religion and science.

most people don't know how to estimate the value of pi, but if someone said it was about 3.14159 you wouldn't consider yourself a religious fanatic because you believe them with no proof.
It's not exactly the same thing, but fuck, you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard. It just makes you brave (for lack of a better word).

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437540]I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.[/QUOTE]

the biggest problem u have is that ur really dumb

[QUOTE]It's not exactly the same thing[/QUOTE]

then your argument falls flat

gg

[QUOTE]you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard[/QUOTE]

it does

[QUOTE=P13;18437541]no
I'm saying that belief and acceptance is the same thing in religion and science.

most people don't know how to estimate the value of pi, but if someone said it was about 3.14159 you wouldn't consider yourself a religious fanatic because you believe them with no proof.
It's not exactly the same thing, but fuck, you guys make it seem like believing in something with no proof makes you a retard. It just makes you brave (for lack of a better word).[/QUOTE]

brave? it's brave to tell yourself something is real to make you feel like your life has a grand purpose and there is an afterlife when all logic and probability point to it being bullshit? I don't know man, i would say that's more being gullible than being brave

that's like saying it's brave to drive a car off a cliff because you have faith that your car can fly because someone told you a story about flying cars

sam you sound like a person who is from the 19th century

life has purpose even if you're an atheist

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437539]nah

and frankie, your other vice is jackin[/QUOTE]

then by your belief system you should reject all science and mathematics because they are based on circular reasoning

HOLY FUCK YOUR LIFE IS FALLING APART BEFORE YOUR EYES

i can't stand this

nothing would make me happier than a couple of epiphanies to visit these two assholes in the night, conferring an awareness of their intelligence as it relates to the rest of the world

u guys are so dumb that i cant even make u understand how dumb u are

p13 is basically if anglachel wasnt a huge troll and actually formulated answers, they're still horrible

because

you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD

[QUOTE=P13;18437549]sam you sound like a person who is from the 19th century

life has purpose even if you're an atheist[/QUOTE]

haha okay that's true let me rephrase. life doesn't have a grand purpose. it's whatever you want it to be. some people's purpose is to be happy, others is to achieve a goal, etc. what i mean is there is there is no grand plan or designated purpose for all of us

@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437545]then your argument falls flat

gg



it does[/QUOTE]

I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same

[QUOTE=P13;18437549]then by your belief system you should reject all science and mathematics because they are based on circular reasoning

HOLY FUCK YOUR LIFE IS FALLING APART BEFORE YOUR EYES[/QUOTE]

dude, science is based on facts. so is mathematics. there is a thing called the scientific method. sure some of it requires circular logic but overall it is way more credible than religion because the vast majority of it is based on facts where as religion is based on fairy tales

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437555]p13 is basically if anglachel wasnt a huge troll and actually formulated answers, they're still horrible

because

you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD[/QUOTE]

yeah this is what a lot of high schoolers who listen to tool and bill hicks say

[QUOTE=P13;18437557]@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you



I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same[/QUOTE]



you cannot compare science to religion. One deals with the natural realm and can be verified with empirical evidence. Supernatural cannot.

Case closeD

@adb forever
hey did you know that lots of science relies on infinity
did you know that you can't have empirical evidence for infinity
oh fuck well then lets just throw it out

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437558]dude, science is based on facts. so is mathematics. there is a thing called the scientific method. sure some of it requires circular logic but overall it is way more credible than religion because the vast majority of it is based on facts where as religion is based on fairy tales[/QUOTE]

some of it is an understatement

prove to me that 1 comes before 2 and that 6 comes after 5
you do it with induction

then you have to prove induction
well you do it because numbers are well ordered and you can predict what will come after another number

oh well then you have to prove that with induction

and around and around you go

that is the basis of all science, and the foundation of science is circular.

[QUOTE=P13;18437557]@sam
yeah but how is making up your own purpose better than believing that there is a grand purpose. there is no reason to rip on religious people for believing because religion doesn't do it for you



I'm saying it's not exactly the same because supernatural experiences are much less prevalent than, you know, numbers.
but lots of people claim to have them and it strengthens their faith. And in these cases the belief in the accuracy of pi and the belief in god is the same[/QUOTE]

I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437540]I'm a drug addict. I admit that. I'm not deceiving myself.

Religious people deceive themselves into believing there is a purpose to life.

Drugs and religions both make people happy, but drugs aren't based on blindly believing something with no proof, which is the main problem i have with religion.[/QUOTE]

People of faith don't see it as a deception though, going back to my original point merely picking apart people just because they don't choose to toe the same line as we do and actively have faith in some religious being or teachings doesn't make sense to me. Some people need this faith as a comfort blanket to go about their day to day business, and despite how irrational it may seem to me, no matter how puzzled I am at the lack of scepticism shown by otherwise rational intelligent people, I'm pretty much fine with it, again as long as it's proponents don't inhibit the areas I've mentioned already.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

dogs can fly through outer space though....

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

I'm not christian in belief, I am culturally. I am culturally because I am part of a christian culture.
It isn't any more credible, I'm saying that this almighty "credibility" you always hark back to isn't actually tangible or important

I can deduce that dogs can't fly through space because of the biological limitations that they share with us. And I can use this logic because I realize that there is something transcendental about logic that can't be explained with logic.

[QUOTE=P13;18437561]@adb forever
hey did you know that lots of science relies on infinity
did you know that you can't have empirical evidence for infinity
oh fuck well then lets just throw it out



some of it is an understatement

prove to me that 1 comes before 2 and that 6 comes after 5
you do it with induction

then you have to prove induction
well you do it because numbers are well ordered and you can predict what will come after another number

oh well then you have to prove that with induction

and around and around you go

that is the basis of all science, and the foundation of science is circular.[/QUOTE]

one coming before two is common sense. one is just a concept for what we already know. if you see one rock to your right and two on the left you know that there are more on the left side. the numbers are just used to refer to what we already know.

one coming before two is no where near the leap of faith that believing there is an omnipotent deity who created everyone and established all these ethical guidelines and that there is a vast history of the heavens and earth that no one can prove

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437563]I'm ripping on religious people because they have terrible logic and act like they have all the answers. Why are you christian instead of muslim? I bet the reason is because your parents raised you christian. You're probably the same denomination as they are too. What makes christianity any more credible than any other religion? Why don't you believe that dogs can fly through outer space? there's just as much evidence.[/QUOTE]

Why should you, or do you care if it doesn't affect you, which I assume it doesn't. Do you work at an abortion clinic and find yourself subjected to ridicule ?

p13 and subsequently all religious people's arguments in a nutshell:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4tDAM.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437567]one coming before two is common sense. one is just a concept for what we already know. if you see one rock to your right and two on the left you know that there are more on the left side. the numbers are just used to refer to what we already know.

one coming before two is no where near the leap of faith that believing there is an omnipotent deity who created everyone and established all these ethical guidelines and that there is a vast history of the heavens and earth that no one can prove[/QUOTE]

common sense doesn't mean shit

you can't prove that natural numbers go up by increments of 1 without induction
and induction can't be proved without natural numbers going up by increments of one

I'm not talking about magnitude, I'm talking about order.

abd tell me why 2 + 2 = 4

[QUOTE=P13;18437566]I'm not christian in belief, I am culturally. I am culturally because I am part of a christian culture.
It isn't any more credible, I'm saying that this almighty "credibility" you always hark back to isn't actually tangible or important

I can deduce that dogs can't fly through space because of the biological limitations that they share with us. And I can use this logic because I realize that there is something transcendental about logic that can't be explained with logic.[/QUOTE]

what do you mean you are "culturally" christian? you don't believe the bible or in god?

why would anyone believe in a god when there is no evidence at all? that's like me believing that spider-man is real because he has a long history and i really want him to be real. if it makes me happier to believe that spider-man is real is that not stupid?

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@sam
I'm culturally christian in that I celebrate Easter and the other holidays, and that's about it. Being culturally christian doesn't entail much.
and no I believe in God but not the God of Abraham that comes in and fucks with shit all the time.

people believe in god because it makes them feel good, that's good enough for most peope

adb tell me why 2 x 2 = 4