How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?

[QUOTE=Cain]
Is madey still her? Or did she quit with all the heaviness the past few pages have accumulated.[/QUOTE]
Pfft, this was mostly politics, light stuff. Watch me argue philosophy sometime ;)

Ray: Not very.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about race, not very.

I heard more than 1/2 of the south is black, and I think New York is 1/4 black.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]
Meh, I'm a realist, whatever I say to inspire change won't cause it, but at least I'm saying it. If everyone realizes they suck they might try to change it, or they might commit suicide, but I'm fine with either choice.[/QUOTE]

You're helping to change if you can change a person's viewpoints on something, or if you're making a person like Ray or me admit that we don't care about something. These things destroy illusions and help facilitate the desire for change in a certain direction, for good, bad, or neutral. So basically, what you're saying is false. You would only be right if you were trying to change the world, which is impossible for one person to do. But if you set things in motion by changing one person's view on something, then it spreads. Hell, you're connected to everyone in the world by six people, after all. The people you have an effect on have an effect on everyone they know, and so on. So don't think you're not facilitating change by saying something with the intent to spark it.

Suicide is no way out. Dying is no solution. Stalin was the one who said that you kill the man, you kill the problem, but the reason he isn't so revered by humanity is because people like him fail to realize that the problems don't even need to exist in the first place. Hatred, suspicion, greed, these can all be overcome. It just takes a will, for God's sake, and if you haven't got one then I pity you.

Is this conversation over? I'm sorry...that was the last the I felt I had to get out. And don't take it the wrong way, once again.

Dang, you guys are no fun :(

My father's parents were born and raised in the Bayou (and moved to Chicago to find more work and dodge the extreme racism) so every so often we all go down there, and the thing that strikes me the most is that people in the south are NICE. I honestly don't see why the South gets such a bad rap. The people are nice (although I have run into racist idiots there...I have a few stories about that), the food is great, and the women are fine.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]How surprised would you be if I said that I've actually gotten more trouble in NY and Boston than I have in the south?[/QUOTE]

Try not surprised at all. Racism is a system born of ignorance rather than pseudo-scientific delusions of superiority these days, and since white people in the Northeast live as far away as possible from black people, generally speaking (unlike those in the South), the racial stereotypes fill in the collossal amount that they don't actually know about black people for a fact. This is my problem in a nutshell, and as I said I'm working to fix it.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I honestly don't see why the South gets such a bad rap.[/QUOTE]
Probably from it's [stereotypical] stand on racism it's had since the times of slavery.

And because it was where the KKK started out, and where the whole civil rights revolution took place.

"...and the women are fine."


Unfortuneatly not in Fayetteville, NC.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Probably from it's [stereotypical] stand on racism it's had since the times of slavery.

And because it was where the KKK started out, and where the whole civil rights revolution took place.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but Northern rich white liberals are probably the most racist people in the country, and they are even more so because they can't even admit it to themselves.

EDIT: And Vince hasn't responded to my last point. :( Oh well, I guess that was done.

[QUOTE=Cain]Yes, but Northern rich white liberals are probably the most racist people in the country, and they are even more so because they can't even admit it to themselves.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity, where do you live?

[QUOTE=Cain]You're helping to change if you can change a person's viewpoints on something, or if you're making a person like Ray or me admit that we don't care about something. These things destroy illusions and help facilitate the desire for change in a certain direction, for good, bad, or neutral. So basically, what you're saying is false. You would only be right if you were trying to change the world, which is impossible for one person to do. But if you set things in motion by changing one person's view on something, then it spreads. Hell, you're connected to everyone in the world by six people, after all. The people you have an effect on have an effect on everyone they know, and so on. So don't think you're not facilitating change by saying something with the intent to spark it.

Suicide is no way out. Dying is no solution. Stalin was the one who said that you kill the man, you kill the problem, but the reason he isn't so revered by humanity is because people like him fail to realize that the problems don't even need to exist in the first place. Hatred, suspicion, greed, these can all be overcome. It just takes a will, for God's sake, and if you haven't got one then I pity you.

Is this conversation over? I'm sorry...that was the last the I felt I had to get out. And don't take it the wrong way, once again.[/QUOTE]
Nothing is impossible, just miraculous, but I think we're overdue a modern miracle nowadays. I know that my existence causes change to the world, but no more than anyone else's does. I say things not intending to change them, but just to make my opinion known and vocal.

Dying is the only solution. You can never overcome all of those problems because they do need to exist, for without pain there is no pleasure. The only route to an end of pain is through death, though it is also an absence of pleasure.

Is it? I don't care, as long as I'm awake.

So wouldn't that mean death > life?

[QUOTE=Cain]Try not surprised at all. Racism is a system born of ignorance rather than pseudo-scientific delusions of superiority these days, and since white people in the Northeast live as far away as possible from black people, generally speaking (unlike those in the South), the racial stereotypes fill in the collossal amount that they don't actually know about black people for a fact. This is my problem in a nutshell, and as I said I'm working to fix it.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much. I think a lot of people would be surprised at how integrated the south is, for the most part. And I agree with you about how rich white Northeastern people are more racist then the whites in the South. In general, rich white northern people are basically just more of a pain in the a[size=2]ss[/size] to deal with. From my experiences, northerners seem to live to make themselves seem smarter and better than southerners, while southerners tend to not care about what the north thinks.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Out of curiosity, where do you live?[/QUOTE]

According to his profile, he lives in Connecticut.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]From my experiences, northerners seem to live to make themselves seem smarter and better than southerners, while southerners tend to not care about what the north thinks.[/QUOTE]
Like an ego; they feel superior to southerners?

[QUOTE=Illmatic]According to his profile, he lives in Connecticut.[/QUOTE]
Ah.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]So wouldn't that mean death > life?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion. Keep in mind it's not that radical of an idea. Many religions teach us to look forward to death.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Like an ego; they feel superior to southerners?[/QUOTE]

They certainly want to seem that way.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]Out of curiosity, where do you live?[/QUOTE]

Connecticut, the most segregated state in the U.S. I first realized I had a race problem when I shrunk in fear from the gigantic, taller stronger black kids shipped out to my school from failing schools from the inner city of Hartford and asked myself "Why do they WANT to be so stupid? They act like they think growing up to be an illiterate crack dealer is preferable to doing well in school and getting a good job." That was when I first realized that I was stereotyping without the slightest idea of what might actually cause them to act like "idiots" such as, for instance, the environment they grew up in and the pressures put on them by the nation's inherently racist system. I was stereotyping because I knew nothing about them as actual people. Since then I'm taking a lot of classes on race relations in the U.S., which are discussion based and will hopefully educate me about what's actually going on.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]They certainly want to seem that way.[/QUOTE]
It might have to do with stereotypes.

You know, southerners being trashy and uneducated, and racist, while people in the Northeast are surrounded by colleges and have more privileges.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]They certainly want to seem that way.[/QUOTE]



I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]In my opinion. Keep in mind it's not that radical of an idea. Many religions teach us to look forward to death.[/QUOTE]
That life is just the beginning.

[QUOTE=cjborton]I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.[/QUOTE]

This is the Northeast we're talking about here. Minnesota is in the conservative part of the North. I live in a North where being liberal seems to mean that even if the liberal knows as little about a given issue as a similarly uneducated conservative, the fact that they're liberal automatically means that they are on the side of progress and righteousness and so gives them liscense to incessantly open their ultimately ignorant mouths to voice their "opinions." I pride myself on not being one of these "liberals." I'm a real one.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]That life is just the beginning.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of how they teach it, the point is that after death your lot improves because life is so bad, it is easy to accept.

[QUOTE=Efilnikufesin]It might have to do with stereotypes.

You know, southerners being trashy and uneducated, and racist, while people in the Northeast are surrounded by colleges and have more privileges.[/QUOTE]

The north is full of white trash. My 500,000-dollars-per-house town is still filled with it. Very often Northerners have no call to be stereotyping, since the North is just a more populated, commercialized version of a group of people with all the same stupid hang-ups.

[QUOTE=Cain]Connecticut, the most segregated state in the U.S. I first realized I had a race problem when I shrunk in fear from the gigantic, taller stronger black kids shipped out to my school from failing schools from the inner city of Hartford and asked myself "Why do they WANT to be so stupid? They act like they think growing up to be an illiterate crack dealer is preferable to doing well in school and getting a good job." That was when I first realized that I was stereotyping without the slightest idea of what might actually cause them to act like "idiots" such as, for instance, the environment they grew up in and the pressures put on them by the nation's inherently racist system. I was stereotyping because I knew nothing about them as actual people. Since then I'm taking a lot of classes on race relations in the U.S., which are discussion based and will hopefully educate me about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah, there's a lot of pressure on black people to act "black" (I get a lot of flack from black friends, however jokingly, because I'm half-white). Because school is generally considered a "white" instituition (which was hammered into our predecessors' brains as a symbol of black power), a black guy who takes interest in it is considered "whiter" and one who rejects it is thus rejecting The Man. And that is compounded with the fact that a lot of us grow up in bad situations and the emphasis is to scrape enough money by to survive rather than getting an education.

[QUOTE=cj]I lived in Minnesota for 18 years and never once felt, saw or heard of any animosity towards the south. You may have experience from a different area of the north, but I can say this is probably not true generally speaking.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the Northeast United States (MA, CT, NY, and PA, with less important states scattered among them). I've found that the Midwest (which is what Minnesota is considered a part of) is like the South in that it's generally a very pleasant place.

I mean, I spent the last ten years of my life growing up in Massachusetts, which is the most pretentious, eggheaded part of the country.

[QUOTE=Cain]The north is full of white trash. My 500,000-dollars-per-house town is still filled with it. Very often Northerners have no call to be stereotyping, since the North is just a more populated, commercialized version of a group of people with all the same stupid hang-ups.[/QUOTE]
White trash is everywhere.

If any of you come to Southern California, and go to Riverside, you will probably never see more white trash in one town anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Well, yeah, there's a lot of pressure on black people to act "black" (I get a lot of flack from black friends, however jokingly, because I'm half-white). Because school is generally considered a "white" instituition (which was hammered into our predecessors' brains as a symbol of black power), a black guy who takes interest in it is considered "whiter" and one who rejects it is thus rejecting The Man. And that is compounded with the fact that a lot of us grow up in bad situations and the emphasis is to scrape enough money by to survive rather than getting an education.
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Thank you for that. I copy-pasted it, just because it made such a deep impression. (Really).

Have you seen the movie "Bamboozled?"

[QUOTE=Cain]Thank you for that. I copy-pasted it, just because it made such a deep impression. (Really).[/QUOTE]

I'm geniunely flattered. Although one thing I'd like to change is to change "rejecting The Man" to "resisting The Man"...I think "resisting" works better there.

[QUOTE=Cain]Have you seen the movie "Bamboozled?"[/QUOTE]

I love "Bamboozled".

So when I went to Cornell for my visit, they were throwing a riot against minority admissions, that was comforting heh :) (This being an Ivy league institution in New York)