[QUOTE=adbforever;18437473]agreed. to say you can pick and choose your morals is completely assinine. God created your morals and you abide by them.[/QUOTE]

so you believe unless you follow your religion to fundamentalist/literalist degree you're a hypocrite?

you're such a fucking fundie faggot :lol:

when you actually do research into the histories of religion and interpetations/scholarly opinions on holy writings, you'll see there are a lot of grey areas.

the bible for example is largely PURE HYPERBOLE but dumbass literalists like you don't realize this cause it's outside your realm of comprehension (which is incredibly small)

I really don't understand the fixation people have with questioning other's religious tendencies, as long as people of faith don't undermine and inhabit scientific education and advancement and encroach on others personal freedoms and human rights, I personally couldn't care less if they're culturally religious or are moderate with their faith and aren't fundamentalists. Some people need religions in their life as a crutch to get through the day, like you choose to have opiates in your life sam.

There are far far worse contradictions which go unchecked or questioned than some poor sod being ridiculed and labelled as coward because he chooses to believe in one of the abrahamic religions and doesn't believe homosexuals are deviants.

brent just loves labeling people hypocrites.

it gives him a chubby.

I don't understand why people like Brent whine about religious people being moderate, would you prefer they follow their religious texts literally? Because if all religious people did that there probably wouldn't be anyone left on this earth. Obviously they'd prefer nobody be religious but that's not a realistic expectation right now, religion is on the downswing and that's the best we can probably ask for right now.

[QUOTE] as long as people of faith don't undermine and inhabit scientific education [/QUOTE]

stem cell research

i was involved with the church a lot until i was 15 or so. i have been on several mission trips and have read most of the bible/heard sermons on it. i went mostly because my mom forced me to go and i liked youth group cause i had other friends there who didn't take it seriously and we just hung out and fucked around on the trips. my point is that i'm pretty informed about christianity (presbyterian) and i always thought it was retarded.

how credible is something that relies on scare tactics to keep followers? "if you don't believe you go to hell! you better not question this supernatural story that has no proof at all! don't think, just believe blindly!"

religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?

@adb
nice not actually putting forth a rebuttal :thumb:

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437470]i was raised christian but i was always skeptical and felt like it was oppressive and illogical. [B]i just can't force myself to accept some thing that is based on circular logic and has no proof at all.[/B]

god is real because the bible says so. the bible is true because god inspired people to write it. that's ridiculous, i realized that was idiotic as a child. religion is the ultimate logical fallacy. it's for people who can't deal with the fact that when you die there is nothing left and need to make believe there is a man in the sky who lets them live in paradise.

it's childish and illogical. i'm not willing to deceive myself to be happier. religious people are cowards.[/QUOTE]

all of mathematics and therefore science is based on circular logic
just saying

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437485]i was involved with the church a lot until i was 15 or so. i have been on several mission trips and have read most of the bible/heard sermons on it. i went mostly because my mom forced me to go and i liked youth group cause i had other friends there who didn't take it seriously and we just hung out and fucked around on the trips. my point is that i'm pretty informed about christianity (presbyterian) and i always thought it was retarded.

how credible is something that relies on scare tactics to keep followers? "if you don't believe you go to hell! you better not question this supernatural story that has no proof at all! don't think, just believe blindly!"

religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?[/QUOTE]

No-one here is really religious or at best, culturally so like you were in your youth. All your doing it re-iterating what most people here have consciously considered and one time or another.

sounds like you guys are having some pretty deep philosophical discussion in here

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437484]stem cell research[/QUOTE]

extremists

[QUOTE=P13;18437488]@adb
nice not actually putting forth a rebuttal :thumb:



all of mathematics and therefore science is based on circular logic
just saying[/QUOTE]

This is quite a naive view point to take Goran.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437478]Some people need religions in their life as a crutch to get through the day, like you choose to have opiates in your life sam.
.[/QUOTE]

Opiates have a negative effect on my life because of the money I spend and the damage the acetaminophen does to my liver. I'll admit that.

But religion is based on throwing critical thinking out the window and blindly believing something. Opiates are a high, they don't involve deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it's not.

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437485]
religion basically discourages skepticism and critical thinking, which is what science is based on. it also says that people who don't believe or are of a different religion go straight to hell to be tortured forever. that's not very accepting or kind. assuming god is even real, why would i worship one that is enough of an asshole to send nonbelievers to ETERNAL TORTURE?[/QUOTE]

these are only true of protestant christianity

and lots of things are based on arbitrary beliefs

@2muchket
it's not naive it's fact

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437484]stem cell research[/QUOTE]

Pol Pott and Hitler were atheists. Therefore going on your logic all atheists including myself are anti-Semitic and have genocidal tendencies correct ?

blockhead if the ubermensch is a 10

you're like a 4 or something

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437501]Pol Pott and Hitler were atheists. Therefore going on your logic all atheists including myself are anti-Semitic and have genocidal tendencies correct ?[/QUOTE]

horrible, horrible argument.

atheists have no objective or ABSOLUTE morality. It's subjective.

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437491]No-one here is really religious or at best, culturally so like you were in your youth. All your doing it re-iterating what most people here have consciously considered and one time or another.[/QUOTE]

I was never super religious. i was always agnostic, I was jsut involved with the church because I had friends there and my mom's side of the family expected it of me.

i'm not saying i'm making any shocking points, i'm just sharing my experiences and beliefs

adb ur like a 3.5

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437497]Opiates have a negative effect on my life because of the money I spend and the damage the acetaminophen does to my liver. I'll admit that.

But religion is based on throwing critical thinking out the window and blindly believing something. Opiates are a high, they don't involve deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it's not.[/QUOTE]

Getting a Euphoric feeling from doing mundane tasks isn't deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it isn't ? Really ?

[QUOTE=P13;18437499]these are only true of protestant christianity

and lots of things are based on arbitrary beliefs

@2muchket
it's not naive it's fact[/QUOTE]

all christianity says you have to blindly believe in fairy tales from 2000 years ago. it's incredibly stupid

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437509]all christianity says you have to blindly believe in fairy tales from 2000 years ago. it's incredibly stupid[/QUOTE]

actually no it doesn't
that's why extra-scriptural theology exists

super blockhead do you believe in the higgs boson

[QUOTE=NEEDTOPOST;18437506]adb ur like a 3.5[/QUOTE]

agreed. I'm p above average

[QUOTE=2muchket!;18437507]Getting a Euphoric feeling from doing mundane tasks isn't deceiving yourself into thinking life is something it isn't ? Really ?[/QUOTE]

i'm aware that it's a drug and that's why it makes me feel like that. i understand the way opiates work. the only similarity is that both opiates and religion make people happy. i'm not blindly believing in something with no proof. using opiates isn't based on a logical fallacy

[QUOTE=adbforever;18437515]agreed. I'm p above average[/QUOTE]

average is 5 sorry i forgot to tell you what is obvious to people of average intelligence

[QUOTE=P13;18437511]actually no it doesn't
that's why extra-scriptural theology exists[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: it all expects you to believe in something with no proof and discourages skepticism. it uses scare tactics to keep people committed. it's retarded

hey adb do you discard all science and mathematics because the two basic theories that define all of both are used to prove each other?

[QUOTE=super_blockhead;18437521]it uses scare tactics to keep people committed. it's retarded[/QUOTE]
sounds pretty smart to me

i wonder if it works...


oh wait it works really well

are you seriously trying to compare science to religion as if religion is based on facts and logic?

lol

As much as I would like to believe people can get through the day without the crutch of drug addiction or religious beliefs - it's a fact some people need that. I need smoking at this point in time, that's my crutch.

It's just as hypocritical to rely on a drug which have serious health draw backs to induce happiness as it is to base your life principles in an omnipotent god. It's not sound logic for myself to carry on smoking and relieve stress and make me feel happy considering the health implications it has. And don't give me the whole bullshit argument that opiates don't have any drawbacks you've said dope sickness is shitty yourself.