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Captain Dong 01-28-2010 10:51 PM

[QUOTE=adb;17780458]lol wut[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.getonmyhorse.com/[/url]

adb 01-28-2010 10:53 PM

[I][FONT="Book Antiqua"]what would I do w/o you and your lurking ways dong[/FONT][/I]

Anglachel 01-28-2010 10:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVIeJPdMiT4&feature=youtube_gdata&fmt=18


lolol you can hear me laughing in this

[size=1]csb[/size]

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:11 PM

it's so hard to write a 2 page essay. She's letting me use 10pt font and I'm still two lines over, and I have a lot more I could talk about.

Deth 01-28-2010 11:13 PM

lol writing papers

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:15 PM

It's an enjoyable paper. It's for my Popular Music class.

Carl Sagan 01-28-2010 11:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozNo7tEiUgs

good lookin tranny :3

Deth 01-28-2010 11:18 PM

I haven't written a paper in well over 2 years now, I'd be lost

lab reports I'm boss at

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:20 PM

[QUOTE=Deth;17780519]I haven't written a paper in well over 2 years now, I'd be lost

lab reports I'm boss at[/QUOTE]

I don't write essays much anymore, usually I'm writing columns or stories. But honestly, I write the same way for basically everything, I just tone down the swearing depending on the context.

Deth 01-28-2010 11:27 PM

nothing like drinking without reason

PinkFreud 01-28-2010 11:35 PM

I have stopped writing essays, columns and articles because I still work retail at age 22.

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:36 PM

not having a reason to drink is just another reason to drink

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:37 PM

also, Pink Freud sighting.

also, mederator double post

Deth 01-28-2010 11:37 PM

yeah thinking about listening to a Priest album and making it an event

rasputin 01-28-2010 11:37 PM

[QUOTE=Cocaine;17780516]It's an enjoyable paper. It's for my [b]Popular Music[/b] class.[/QUOTE]

rofl wut

Tyler 01-28-2010 11:38 PM

[QUOTE=rasputin;17780543]rofl wut[/QUOTE]

General Elective. Popular Music just means everything from Tin Pan Alley onwards.

Also, I'm in a Media program.

AA-12 01-28-2010 11:39 PM

http://tinychat.com/rmx

chat bros

[QUOTE=Carl Sagan;17780518]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozNo7tEiUgs

good lookin tranny :3[/QUOTE]

shes very cute

[QUOTE=Meatplow;17780486][url]http://hotchickswithfistsintheirmouths.com/[/url]

Why am I getting such an erection?[/QUOTE]

awesome

rasputin 01-28-2010 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=Cocaine;17780546]General Elective. Popular Music just means everything from Tin Pan Alley onwards.

Also, I'm in a Media program.[/QUOTE]

i guess that makes sense.

Carl Sagan 01-28-2010 11:45 PM

[QUOTE=Cocaine;17780546]General Elective. Popular Music just means everything from Tin Pan Alley onwards.

Also, I'm in a Media program.[/QUOTE]

posting on sputnik is already like taking a masterclass in popular music. right?

Moon Flavor 01-28-2010 11:46 PM

[QUOTE=Carl Sagan;17780559]posting on sputnik is already like taking a masterclass in popular music. right?[/QUOTE]

yeah being a sputnik poster and taking that class is like a spanish person taking spanish class

Deth 01-28-2010 11:48 PM

bet tyler is all

[I]The capacity of human intelligence seems to limit the capabilities to expand upon any possible creative aptitudes. Indeed, if one cannot even notice the facets that the ingenuities around him are comprised of, how can he be expected to fashion a beast of his own? This inveterate sense of constraint is a great blow to the veracity of mankind’s abilities. It restrains us and holds our minds to the ground below, averting any possibility of rising above ourselves to something greater; something not fathomed by the conventional mind. This concept of seeking to go beyond one’s self, known as “transcendence”, is essentially a gateway to unlocking pieces of ourselves that can lead to some of the most elaborate and significant creations of our world. For many, this quest to transcend and form creations that were once considered unthinkable and overwhelming consumes life. Certainly it is rare to find such people, but when they are found, creative barriers are destroyed.[/I]

in class

Carl Sagan 01-28-2010 11:49 PM

lol

i bet he gets in 800 post protest the hero arguments with his professor

Anglachel 01-28-2010 11:51 PM

I make random paragraphs like that just to throw people off

Tyler 01-29-2010 12:15 AM

i dont talk in class because there's one of those weird guys whor eally likes neil young that's always humming and drumming along to everything and i have to restrain myself from kicking himself in the throat

Jacaranda 01-29-2010 12:16 AM

restrain myself from kicking himself in the throat

Deth 01-29-2010 12:20 AM

daily occurrence for me too tbh

like why we have to go over basic concepts covered probably in high school is beyond me

Tyler 01-29-2010 12:21 AM

this guy just goes on rants about how stuff made after 1975 isn't art

last week he went on a rant aobut sitar solos and the professor was clearly laughing in hsi face the entire time

RouteOne 01-29-2010 12:22 AM

[FONT=&quot]When a distinct group of people have a nation, yet no real goal to work towards which benefits their fellow citizens, land, and future generations, they will inevitably fail because of their disunity. When these people cannot feel the awe of the land which nature has provided them with which they are also responsible for and abuse it, they will fail because of their shared irresponsibility to it. A common people who are scattered and divided on what is important to them and their people will find nothing but conflict and strife, since they are not in agreement with what will best pass on their heritage and culture to the next generation. Humans need a culturally defined identity and goal to succeed as one in order to achieve this long term goal of love for people and land. Cultures and institutions will inevitably fail if the people whom which they are a part of forget their importance or simply do not care about them anymore. This truth activates the inherent human need to feel a connection to one’s land and people is apparent through the art, music, and transcendent view of nature during the romantic period in Europe. Although short lived, this movement sparked in the hearts of men and women a new love for nature, their people and pride in their land. My thesis is that nationalistic thought and romantic views of the world will only strengthen and propel a people forward into peace, unity, and prosperity through the observance of the law man makes for himself and his people through love of his land, descendants and future children. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When considering how romanticism and nationalism are linked, you have to consider their attributes separately from each other. Romanticism was a reaction to the empirical nature of the Enlightenment period to which the thought of the time was that reason and science would be able to, eventually, explain everything about humans, nature, and being. Romanticism stresses the opposite of this, which is that reality is subjective and irrational. Personal expression is central to personal fulfillment and the creation of high things such as art and poetry are regarded as truth. The emotional is favored over the logical, where what you feel is almost more important than what can be objectively explained and themes such as awe in the face of the unexplainable and a deep connection with the land is to be respected. With an emphasis on examining the individual, this lead to the exaltation of the past and the people who defined what it meant to be the masters and heroes of their own realities; creating and expressing themselves through emotion and realizing the divine essence of the natural world. Since nature, local culture, and folk tradition tied into this exaltation of nature, romanticists placed a particular importance on retracing the steps of their own people and aggrandizing their achievements as examples for those to follow.
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[FONT=&quot]Nationalism is the collective cultural identity of a distinct set of people, where the actions of the people are to achieve self-determination and sustainability for their cultural institutions and native population. It is a sense of pride in the common culture that you and your neighbor share and the nation, as opposed to the nation-state, which is made up of like individuals is the most logical form of government since there will be that cultural and local commonality that the people can rely on when figuring out matters of importance. This would foster the idea of the nation and the people’s identification with it on a deep, romantic level that they could easily relate to and feel pride in. The belief in organic societies of native born people who would be bonded together by tradition and individuals expressing themselves fully through their connection with their people, land, and culture would establish nationalism in a sturdy foundation so they could pass their nation down to the future inhabitants of it. With these two ideas examined and defined, one can see how romanticism and nationalism were bound to be linked together by common facets. Both held a high regard for nature and the land people dwelled on, with emphasis on developing organic societies and cultures where communication with the divine through their regional landscapes was a high art. Romantic ideology and thought was a vehicle for nationalism and was largely responsible for its spread in Europe because nationalism could feed off of romantic philosophy and connect it to its own similar aspects. If you have a people that hold local art and nature in a high regard because they buy into romanticism, you will obviously have a population that will be open to the idea of their own brand nationalism since nationalism enhances the romantic feelings that are already in place by contrasting a powerful national identity that the people of the region can relate to and feel a powerful connection with each other and their practices. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nationalism was good for many things; however the romantics mostly focused on how a nation of people can unify their common people under one banner, and cease the chaos that was springing up all over Europe by bringing their splintered people back to their culturally defined homelands. The division in the world, in their minds, was because of common people not having their own nations, or being out of them. For, if you are not unified within your own people, how will you be able to have harmony? Just how will you ever be able to progress your cultures and attain greatness in cultural art, poetry, and exaltation of the nature around you and your common people? Romantics saw nationalism as a solution to the physical and mental Diaspora of their own people. So, what nationalism was ultimately good for, stirring the romantic emotions of a people and their land, also lead to what it was trying to solve, which was the disunity of a certain people. [/FONT]

RouteOne 01-29-2010 12:23 AM

[FONT=&quot]Johann Gottlieb Fichte commented on what nationalism could solve, and what it was good for in his describing what it means to find “heaven on Earth” by using one of nationalism’s aspects of securing a self-determined nation through being productive, and extending your temporal life into eternity by working toward a better future for your nation by cultivating one that will enhance your children’s lives: “What man of noble mind is there who does not earnestly wish to relive his own life in a new and better way in his children and his children’s children, and to continue to live on this Earth, ennobled and perfected in their lives, long after he is dead?” (Breckman 114-115.) Here, Fichte points out that if you are to have a strong nation which regards nationalism as a virtue, you must make your children’s future better than what your temporal life has been. This is building over yourself so that you can plants the seeds of greatness and cultivate a brighter future for your descendants so that they too may construct a proud and powerful nation. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Security, as Fichte rightly points out, is closely linked, if not dependent on a nationalistic spirit of the people inside of a nation. “The aim of the state I positive law, internal peace, and a condition of affairs in which everyone may by diligence earn his daily bread and satisfy the needs of his material existence…All this is only a means, a condition, and a framework for what love of Fatherland really wants, viz., that the eternal and the divine blossom in the world and never cease to become more pure…That is why this love of fatherland must itself govern the state and be the supreme, final, and absolute authority. ” (Breckman 117-118). To have a serious commitment to the “fatherland” is to recognize that the people, culture and environs that make up the nation are to dictate the law, and create peace, prosperity and justice for those who are of the unified people under the banner of nationalism. Peace through commonality in culture, prosperity by diligence for the future for your children and nation, justice in agreement to the natural law of man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fichte goes on to examine how s self determined people of common heritage free of foreign control is a desirable thing to strive for, since the cultural law that noble men have made for themselves and their people is something that can and will make their nation great and prosperous: “The noble minded man’s belief in the eternal continuance of his influence…and on the characteristic of the people as indicated in the hidden law…without admixture of, or corruption by, any alien element which does not belong to the totality of the function of the law.” (Breckman 116). Here, we see how important it is to follow the natural law of a specific people to cultivate their self-determined societies of common heritage. If a people has a foreign power has a powerful influence on the native inhabitance, the commonality and unity of the people will disintegrate and be replaced by a law not relatable to the people under the influence. This further stresses the goal of having a people have a sense of pride and continuality of the temporal into the eternal by having their own govern their own. Without this, you will not have a nationalism that will benefit future generations; you will have a splintered people who cannot agree on much, or at all. This is what nationalism is trying to avoid, the goal is to use nationalism as a rallying flag for a people, not for others who wish to overtake it who share little to nothing in common with the people of that region.
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[FONT=&quot]Through this staunch position of local rule by a common people, who have this nationalistic spirit encouraged by romantic thought, that we realize the ultimate goal of these philosophies: “His belief and his struggle to plant what is permanent, his conception in which he comprehends his own life as an eternal life, is the bond which unites first his own nation, and then, through his nation, the whole human race, in a most intimate fashion with himself, and brings all their needs within this widened sympathy until the end of time. This is his love for his people, respecting, trusting, and rejoicing in it, and feeling honored by descent from it.” (Breckman 116-117). The key to happiness in the aspect of a people is to harbor deep feelings of duty to progress their people, culture and ways into eternity. We may be mortal, but our actions and memories may live on into greatness by what we do with ourselves during our short stints on this rock. Our nation and our people depend on us, now and forever, to honor this sacred oath to protect and stand in awe of nature, of our heritage, our culture and the future of it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But, what about those who wish to not live under a united people and those who wish to destroy cultural institutions that work simply because they dislike them on trivial grounds? Adam Heinrich Müller spoke on what happens when individuals think that they can remove themselves from a nation or state, and believe that they can simply cast aside a unified identity and make something new and better in a short period of time: “Do not all the unhappy errors of the French Revolution meet (1) in the delusion that the individual can actually step out of the social bond and from outside topple and destroy what is unacceptable to him; that the individual can protest against the work of millennia…which he can turn and where he can presage new directions for the great body of the state, make something wholly new from the old body and, instead of the old, imperfect but proven constitution prescribe a new one that is perfect, at least for the next fourteen days?” (Breckman 123). If the nation or state is not perfect, we should not go too far and think that we can make perfect everything that is wrong with it by totally dismantling it and throwing out nationalism. The individual needs to see that his place is with his people, his environment, and his culture, and realize that he is a part of something bigger than himself that is sacred and high. Individuality can exist in that everyone is different and we have our own strengths and weaknesses, however when you cultivate a cult-like individualism that favors nothing but the whims of narcissistic individuals who cannot see anything more important outside of themselves, there will be nothing but catering to them and the nation will suffer through lack of unity.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]What happens when a people are not united under nationalism and love of their people and land? You get Germany and Italy before they are unified in the 19th century. Both regions were rife with conflict, division, and splintered peoples because they were not of a nationalistic mindset. You had endless, small provinces that warred with each other, confusion of law and territory, and no sort of uniform goal that they would work together for; it was chaos. Through a the shared opposition to the French, a common language, culture, and heritage, Germany united to become a strong nation under a united nationalistic front inspired by great people like Fichte. Italy also experienced much of the same motivation to unite, which was mainly do to a large portion of Italy being controlled by Austria and the Habsburgs. Both Germany and Italy’s unification through their own kinds of nationalism proved thinkers such as Fichte and Müller right in their assessments of what nationalism and a people united in a common cultural identity can do when they have a goal. Whether it is throwing out a foreign element from controlling a native population, or ending unnecessary struggles between splintered people with no guidance or sense of belonging, nationalism works when administered correctly, and at the right time. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nationalism is the answer to any problem that has to do with a splintered people that need to come together once again to end conflict and confusion. This is needed in order to achieve an agreed upon goal so that their nation can become strong and pass the reins on to the next generation that you have worked so hard to assure that their nation and lives are better than what you experienced. If a people choose not to assure the future of their own special cultures and heritage, their people will inevitable either die out, be taken over by foreign elements or have a population who is caught in an apathetic daze about who they are or where they are going, with little bond or loyalty to each other. Nationalism solves those problems in that it provides a vehicle for a people of common origins and heritage to build a self-determined future of agreed upon customs, law, and goals to which they should build towards. This assures a healthy society of agreement and an environment where productive, proud children can be raised in knowing that they will have a strong nation and identity to live and work in one day free of foreign influence. Nationalism is what bonds humans together and propels them to success. If not nationalism, then, what? [/FONT]

Carl Sagan 01-29-2010 12:23 AM

well he's wrong everything made after 1973 isn't art


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