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Lord Abortion 02-18-2005 03:28 PM

that your kit on your avatar gur?

Josh 02-18-2005 03:43 PM

he be offline again. its a cool kit though.

ashman 02-18-2005 03:44 PM

[QUOTE=GurS]weaker then FOTD? seriously?

I still got 2 to go - somewhere in time and virtual xi.

though my NOTB is scratched beyond working.[/QUOTE]

I think NPFD has more filler songs then any other. I've started listening to FOTD a lot more lately, I've started to like it more then I did.

ashman 02-18-2005 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]that your kit on your avatar gur?[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's his Kit. *Seen the picture before :naughty: *

shadow_stalker 02-18-2005 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=sack-man]he be offline again. its a cool kit though.[/QUOTE]

it's got mine beat :upset:

MAthiAS 02-18-2005 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=GurS]For me, it's currently POM>Powerslave>BNW>NOTB>S/T>SSOASS>DOD>Killers>NPFTD>X Factor>FOTD[/QUOTE]
Eh, of the ones I own I go:
SSOASS > NOTB > SiT > BNW > Powerslave > DoD > POM
all are great though, so don't think that I think SSOASS is the greatest album of all time and POM is the worst. Its Maiden we're talking about here.

Josh 02-18-2005 03:47 PM

[QUOTE=ashman]Yeah that's his Kit. *Seen the picture before :naughty: *[/QUOTE]
ash where did you spongebob maiden avatar come from?
and IMO FOTD isnt bad, be quick or be dead, from here to eternity, afraid to shoot strangers, judas be my guide IMO are best tracks, the studio version of the title track is weak.

ashman 02-18-2005 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=sack-man]ash where did you spongebob maiden avatar come from?
and IMO FOTD isnt bad, be quick or be dead, from here to eternity, afraid to shoot strangers, judas be my guide IMO are best tracks, the studio version of the title track is weak.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://finnegan19.tripod.com/id5.html[/url]

I just searched Eddy Iron Maiden at Google and that's what I found.

What about wasting love, Chains of Misery and Childhoods End?

Josh 02-18-2005 04:30 PM

meh, i find wasting love good but annoying, chains of misery is average. but childhood's end is good

vashts80 02-18-2005 04:30 PM

Blood Brothers pwns me. I've found a good 5 different tabs, they're all totally different, and the one that seems like it works has no indicators of how many times you play the section. It pisses me off.

ashman 02-18-2005 04:31 PM

Chains of Misery is good for the solo bit; When it slows down and then gets faster... Wasting Love is such a cool song to play though.

shadow_stalker 02-18-2005 04:31 PM

[QUOTE=ashman][url]http://finnegan19.tripod.com/id5.html[/url]

I just searched Eddy Iron Maiden at Google and that's what I found.

What about wasting love, Chains of Misery and Childhoods End?[/QUOTE]

awesome :thumb:

Josh 02-18-2005 04:34 PM

i'm off for sleep now, bye all

ashman 02-18-2005 04:35 PM

[QUOTE=sack-man]i'm off for sleep now, bye all[/QUOTE]

Nighty Night...

ashman 02-18-2005 04:37 PM

[QUOTE=vashts80]Blood Brothers pwns me. I've found a good 5 different tabs, they're all totally different, and the one that seems like it works has no indicators of how many times you play the section. It pisses me off.[/QUOTE]

Play the song and try and follow the tab (without Guitar). It's what I usually do if there aren't any time indicators.

vashts80 02-18-2005 04:40 PM

Nah, I'm on bass...it sounds weird trying to follow 'Arry.

[url]http://www.guitartabs.cc/fetchfile.php?fileid=1437425[/url]

That's the tab I'm trying to play, but it looks weirdly formatted. Pain in the *** to figure it out.

/me goes back to playing Run to the Hills

First Maiden song I can play on bass. R0xx0rz.

ashman 02-18-2005 04:49 PM

That is a different way to what I play it. The way I play it on Bass is just:

------------------------5--------7----
----2---------5------5----5----7------
--2--2-----5------3----------5---------
0-------3----------------------------

It's just that basically all the way through...

vashts80 02-18-2005 04:58 PM

The thing is that on Rio, he strums during most of the 1st slower solo (Where it goes slow -> fast -> slow -> Verse [When you think that we've used all our chances...]) that's what's confusing me with all the tabs. I need to see if there's a tab book for BNW.

GurS 02-18-2005 05:21 PM

I'll give a track-by-track analysis on FOTD and why it's the worst IMO.

BQOBD: Great start, fantastic song.
From Here To Eternity: Ditto.
Afraid To Shoot Strangers: First time I heard it, I thought "Great! Fantastic!". But it gets dull and stale quickly. I believe 'Arry was trying to write a certain style of song... and had many failed attempts on the way. This includes this song IMO, and he's tried it on most of the albums since then, he nearly had it with Dream of Mirrors but he finally found what he was looking for IMO with No More Lies.
Fear Is The Key: Terrible, awful song. It's hideous.
Childhood's End: Decent song
Wasting Love: Dull and schmaltzy IMO. Not very great.
The Fugitive: A great song. I <3 it muchly.
Chains Of Misery: Dull, repetative and not very good. So far below what Maiden are capable off.
The Apparition: Next...
Judas Be My Guide: A good song. Very nice.
Weekend Warrior: If this was a B-side, I'd love it - you could assume it's a joke. But as it's on an alubm, we must assume that this song was written in Earnest. :amaze: It's cheesy, early 90's crap.
Fear Of The Dark: A fantastic song to end the album on... goes about half way to redeeming the album.

In honestly, if they had released the album as BQOBD, From Here To Eternity, Childhood's End, The Fugitive, Judas Be My Guide and FOTD, it'd be great. But the rest of the album drags it way down, and makes it dull and slow, when listening to this album I find myself skipping half the songs on it, just so that I don't fall asleep. Yes, the best songs on this are probably better than the best songs on NPFTD, but the rest are so crap and/or mediocre that it places the album right at the bottom of the album ranking.

My two pence.

thelittledrummerboy 02-18-2005 05:34 PM

Thats a fair good analysis.

And how good is killers n e way? If i bought it would i be dissapointed :confused:

GurS 02-18-2005 05:42 PM

You want me to do a play-by-play analysis of that too? I will.

also: a picture from my band's gig on Tuesday (that's me behind the drum kit)

[url]http://www.totallyjewish.com/lifestyle/circuit/?pic_id=15&page_num=2&set_id=3516&archive=[/url]

thelittledrummerboy 02-18-2005 05:44 PM

Thats a nice kit though, what brand? and what cymbals do u use and what r they ie sizes/types.

Are u guys a cover band or do u play originals. I'm in a cover band but don't have a singer. :upset:

GurS 02-18-2005 05:53 PM

That kit isn't actually mine, it was the places. The cymbals, however, where all mine. Kitwise, at home I have a combination of a pearl forum and a Premier kit. I'm not sure about the snare size or the tom depths, but width wise the toms are: 8", 10", 14" (snare converted into a tom), 12", 13", and my floor toms are 14" and 16". The bass drums are 20" and 22"

Cymbal wise, I don't believe in sticking to one brand, I mix and match to get the best sound possible. As a result:
14" Zyn HiHats
14" Paiste 200 HiHats
18" Pearl CX300 Crash/Ride
18" Sabian AAXPlosion Crash
18" Paiste Signature Power Crash
20" Zyn Ride (used as crash)
20" Sabian Rock Ride
24" Paiste 2002 China

For the gig, kit-wise I used one snare, two rack toms, two floor toms and a double-kick instead of two bass drums. Most places don't have enough mics for me to use my full kit :(

We do our own stuff, though we cover Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter. We also took the words to some song from the 20's called Frankie and Johnny, and put it to some 12 bar blues

the_uber_penguin 02-18-2005 07:48 PM

[QUOTE=GurS]You want me to do a play-by-play analysis of that too? I will.

also: a picture from my band's gig on Tuesday (that's me behind the drum kit)

[url]http://www.totallyjewish.com/lifestyle/circuit/?pic_id=15&page_num=2&set_id=3516&archive=[/url][/QUOTE]

Cool...after you're last avatar I was expecting to see Jannick Gers sitting at the drumkit...

(and you'll all be suprised I don't look just like Pingu:

[url]www.freewebs.com/suicidalducklings/gallery.htm[/url]

That's me on the guitar)

You don't know how hard it is to try and cover Blood Brothers with one guitarist/vocalist, one bassist, and a punk rock drummer.

vashts80 02-18-2005 08:51 PM

Blaze's solo stuff rocks. That is all. (NP: Blaze - Stealing Time)

Facsimile 02-19-2005 03:55 AM

[QUOTE=thelittledrummerboy]And how good is killers n e way? If i bought it would i be dissapointed :confused:[/QUOTE]
Well, it's easiest to compare it to Iron Maiden:
When it's good, it's better than the stuff on Iron Maiden, but when it isn't good then it's worse than the stuff on Iron Maiden. Where Iron Maiden is an album of consistancy, Killers is an album of highs and lows.
In my opinion, of course.

GurS 02-19-2005 08:55 AM

2nded.

Ok, i'll do this.

Ides Of March: Killer opening. Oh yeh. :cool: No more needs to be said. (It's an instrumental btw)
Wrathchild: You've heard this song before, trust me.
Murders In The Rue Morgue: This is an ok song, above average, but not great by any standards. You could say it's 'good'.
Another Life: I didn't like this one too much, still don't. The best version of this song is the Ruskin video on Early Days.
Ghengis Khan: Often said to be the best of the four Maiden instrumentals. IMO joint with Losfer Words.
Innocent Exile: Tricky bass opening, an OK song, nothin special. Rather bland.
Killers: Joint best song on the album. This song is fuggin FANTASTIC. This is, as Facsimile said, probably better than any song on Iron Maiden (with the POSSIBLE exception of Strange World and Running Free).
Prodigal Son: A nice little 12-string accoustic song, in the vain of Strange World or Remember Tomorrow, except in a major key.
Purgatory & Twilight Zone: I'm doing these two songs together for a reason. These two songs are very much unlike any other Maiden song in the whole back catalogue. This is, probably, due to the fact that they were singles, and unlike Sanctuary and Running Free, you get a feeling that they had to be cut down to fit the time frame, unlike the singles from the S/T, which were probably written as that length. Purgatory is a great song, and fits the confines of time really well, really benefits from being short and punch, and is one of the best songs on the album. In contrast, Twilight Zone should have been fleshed out, as it is it seems pretty lacklustre and doesn't quite push the right buttons, which it may have been able to do had it been written out more substantially.
Drifter: Joint best song on the album. It has many parallels with the song Iron Maiden, and could well be a follow up. I love this song, especially the bit wtih harmonics. A great way to end the album.

My two pence.

ashman 02-19-2005 10:17 AM

I think we should get Gur to do that with every album...

vashts80 02-19-2005 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=ashman]I think we should get Gur to do that with every album...[/QUOTE]

123.

ashman 02-19-2005 10:34 AM

I didn't know that Prodigal son was a 12 string song...


The fans want you to do it Gur :thumb:

GurS 02-19-2005 11:38 AM

lol

I think I probably will end up doing so :p

GurS 02-19-2005 01:19 PM

So, I was going to do that thing for BNW, when I realised that on the new Musicianforums CD review website, there was no review of BNW :o So I wrote one. Go check it out.

YDload 02-19-2005 03:09 PM

You have to do these album reviews in order GurS. Do a summary of NOTB next!

Kurtz 02-19-2005 03:14 PM

[QUOTE=thelittledrummerboy] If i bought it would i be dissapointed :confused:[/QUOTE]
Hell no.

GurS 02-19-2005 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=YDload]You have to do these album reviews in order GurS. Do a summary of NOTB next![/QUOTE]

I do them in order of requests... so I guess I'll do NOTB next. But first, everyone go give me postiveness on my BNW review on sputnikmusic.com

OK

Invaders: A great start to the album, high octane adrenaline all the way. One of the greatest way to start an album, from any album EVER (my mum jumped when it started first time I put on my stereo at home).
Children Of The ****ed: This song is fuggin fantastic. A nice soft intro, over which a semi-majestic solo is played over, followed by lush, coaxing vocals give way to a heavy distorted chorus - you can almost hear thousands of fans screaming along with "Children Of The ****ed" - I swear, if they do this song on the upcoming tour I'm gonna cream my pants.
The Prisoner: Nice drum intro (if a little typical of the 80's), this is an upbeat little tune that is a good way to get people who aren't into Maiden, into Maiden. Another chorus to die for.
22 Accacia Avenue: The second song in the Charlotte The Harlot Quartology. This song is great when you're not listening to it... but somehow, when you listen to it, it's not as good as you think it is. So, many people will say it's a great track, but then when they listen to it, they'll say it's not that great, but five minutes later they'll say that it is. I dunno why, but that's how it is. So, I'm gonna say it's great, but it's probably not that great :confused:
Numer Of The Beast: Well, this song is a classic. The opening spoken verse is a mantra of Metal, and when the guitar intro comes in... shivers in my spine, what can I say. H's solo in this is one of my favourite Maiden solo, and even 'Arry's got a mini-solo.
Run To The Hills: Every Maiden Noob's favourite song. Famous for it's power house chorus and for the speed - 'Arry's blurring fingers on the video is an icon of bass playing. And I don't know a single Maiden fan who can't help but play air-drums for the chorus - you know, the BUH-duh-buh-DUH-buh-duh-BUH-duh-buh-DUH-buh-duh... you know!
Gangland: Not many people like this. I do. The drum intro is incredible, the whole intro is great... when the vocals come in, it movies from semi-jazzy to metal. I like it, but musically, it's perhaps not as great as the rest of it.
Total Eclipse: Criminally, one of the most underrated songs in Maiden's back catalogue. It's great - the start is slow and heavy, the chorus ("sunlight has gone...) is REALLY heavy, nice and gruff, the fast bit just plain rawks and the outro-verse is really majestic. Fan-fuggin-tastic. Oh yeh. :cool:
Hallowed Be Thy Name: You guys all know this song. The slow intro, then it speeds up, then the whole going-up-then-down-in-steps bit, and then "YEAH, YEAH, YEAH! HALLOWED BE THEY NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME". It's great, but ya'll know it and love it so well, that I think it don't need to much more analisys, do you? If you need any more proof that it's great, just remember, it is the no2 Rock & Metal song of ALL TIME (stairway to heaven beat it by 1 vote). That should be all the proof needed.

All in all, a pleasure to listen to. The best way to get into Maiden, without a doubt.

My two pence

GurS 02-19-2005 03:30 PM

Oh, and the "Excellence of Execution" rawks too... second best wrestler EVER (after the late, great Davey Boy Smith)

MAthiAS 02-19-2005 04:56 PM

Nice review there man. Especially the Hallowed Be Thy Name one :D

shadow_stalker 02-19-2005 04:58 PM

how long does it take to write them reviews?

ps good review

GurS 02-19-2005 05:01 PM

about 5-6 minutes solid.

if you liked that, please PLEASE go to [url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com[/url] and give my BNW review good feedback (by saying it was helpful)

thanks in advance.

and thanks for the feed back on the in-thread mini-reviews.

MAthiAS 02-19-2005 05:27 PM

excellent review of BNW man. I agree with pretty much everything you said, except I prefer Ghost of the Navigator to The Nomad.


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