mathematics is a sweet song.

TI also has some sweet songs.

his recent stuff is definitely mediocre, but black on both sides is a near-classic.... automatic jump from mediocrity.

i also really used to dig him when i was all into islam and stuff... oh well. i dont see him descending to common levels at least.

i guess just why do we need Mos Def when we already have Talib

I haven't gotten into Talib outside of Reflection Eternal.

The Roots would be good if they had an MC.

yeah kweli is way better as a whole and delivers a similar (near identical) message... but instead of islam sprinkles, it's pretty christian. i really didn't like ear drum that much, tbh... but at least it was solid.

[QUOTE=Rams;16917221]The Roots would be good if they had an MC.[/QUOTE]

eh... black thought is probably one of the most underrated mcs around... but different strokes.

Madlib tore it up on that album.

I don't understand how Madlib can release so much and still be so consistent.

Also, I'd say Talib is good.. but really a perpetual guest. similar to Mos Def and Common.

they surely can not hold an album entirely by themselves. but when they drop a verse on a Monch track or something it usually is dope as ****.

i think both had their time in the late 90's/early 2000's... i just wish they would have been consistent. kweli's delivery/ style seems like it's changed dramatically since reflection/eternal. the production on ear drum is spot on; it's just kweli that didn't do it for me.

i can definitely see the guest comment though, especially now being past their respective primes.

best pharoahe monch album if ive never heard him before?

internal affairs

edit: scratch that... both are awesome (desire is more recent)

[QUOTE=big80smullet;16917244]best pharoahe monch album if ive never heard him before?[/QUOTE]

Organized Konfusion self-titled album.

[QUOTE=kingsoby1;16917223]eh... black thought is probably one of the most underrated mcs around... but different strokes.[/QUOTE]

He's really generic and doesn't have a lot of emotion in his voice. For the new Roots sound I keep thinking someone like Akir would work well, and then his boring voice comes over and is meh.

Organized Konfusion - Stress

my only 5/5 hip-hop album.

yeah, I agree (with Rams)

I haven't heard Equinox yet though, is it as "bad" as I've heard?

[QUOTE=kingsoby1;16917243]i think both had their time in the late 90's/early 2000's... i just wish they would have been consistent. kweli's delivery/ style seems like it's changed dramatically since reflection/eternal. the production on ear drum is spot on; it's just kweli that didn't do it for me.

i can definitely see the guest comment though, especially now being past their respective primes.[/QUOTE]

i just remember how stoked i was when i heard him tear it up on Jaylib.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;16917259]yeah, I agree (with Rams)

I haven't heard Equinox yet though, is it as "bad" as I've heard?[/QUOTE]

no, just overstuffed and lots of filler. its basically OK trying to make a concept album.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;16917255]Organized Konfusion - Stress

my only 5/5 hip-hop album.[/QUOTE]

k im getting this. hopefully i like it

haven't listened to OK yet tbh... will have to check that out. jaylib was definitely tight; at least we still have madlib, black milk, and a few others to keep progressing production.

im surprised you only have one 5/5 hiphop album.

i only have 15 5/5s.

OK is better than Monch's solo career to be honest.

There are a lot of good beat makers today.

there are a lot of good beat makers, but not a lot of progressive beat makers.

yeah, understandable, i have like 10 5s or less, but am more into hiphop than anything else... deltron, el-p, and the roots round out my 5-rated hiphop.

omg KANYE!

6/5

[QUOTE=kingsoby1;16917303]there are a lot of good beat makers, but not a lot of progressive beat makers.[/QUOTE]

"Progressive" sounds like an euphemism for "bad"

what

What the hell differentiates a "good" beat maker from a "progressive" one?

Of the ones I've heard, I'd go OK - Desire - Stress - Internal Affairs in that order.

edit: wow there was a lot of posts in the last 5 minutes

Goes:

OK > Stress > Internal Affairs > Desire for me

but the margin between each is minimal

the Stress > the Desire

lol.

Stress > Desire = Internal Affairs = OK > The Equinox

even Monch's mixtapes are incredible