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Eliminator 03-01-2008 09:51 PM

thats a weird thing to come to

Riva 03-01-2008 09:52 PM

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16055718]I thought he was 'the rapist'[/QUOTE]

No, that was their drummer Dave Holland, who ironically was the drummer on albums such as [I]Point of Entry[/I] and [I]Ram It Down[/I]. Oh, and [I]Screaming For Vengeance[/I].

[QUOTE=LostChild;16055716]Rings a bell. Was in Judas Priest?[/QUOTE]

Yes, and Iced Earth most recently.

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 09:53 PM

[QUOTE=Riva;16055736]No, that was their drummer Dave Holland, who ironically was the drummer on albums such as [I]Point of Entry[/I] and [I]Ram It Down[/I]. Oh, and [I]Screaming For Vengeance[/I].[/QUOTE]

oh ok, I knew it was one of them.

Jaundice 03-01-2008 09:53 PM

Is the irony in the fact that a man referred to as The Rapist would play on albums called Ram It Down and Point of Entry?

*shudders* That was harsh.

Riva 03-01-2008 09:55 PM

He was never referred to as The Rapist until he stood trial a few years back for statutory and attempted rape.

Jaundice 03-01-2008 09:56 PM

I still find the unintentional wordplay ironic.

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 09:57 PM

[QUOTE=LostChild;16055746]Is the irony in the fact that a man referred to as The Rapist would play on albums called Ram It Down and Point of Entry?

*shudders* That was harsh.[/QUOTE]

That's not 'ironic'

That's quite simply 'congruous'

Jaundice 03-01-2008 09:59 PM

I'm youuuur turbboooo loooverr!
:rolleyes:

I like when people pronounce it Pyoolitzer.
Pronounce has "pronoun" in it.

pulseczar 03-01-2008 09:59 PM

congruous is quite a powerful word i haven't heard lately

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 10:00 PM

[QUOTE=Riva;16055760]He was never referred to as The Rapist until he stood trial a few years back for statutory and attempted rape.[/QUOTE]
Was it that long ago?

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 10:03 PM

[QUOTE=LostChild;16055771]I'm youuuur turbboooo loooverr!
:rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]

Yes, but there's no [i]irony[/i] at all

Irony requires some kind of contradiction

Playing on the albums [i]Ram It Down[/i] and [i]Point of Entry[/i] and later rape convictions are quite frankly in accord, as is Rob Halford's homosexuality

Riva 03-01-2008 10:03 PM

Google.com says it was 2004.

Nostalgia 03-01-2008 10:04 PM

This thread is getting fagged up like nobody's business.

Jaundice 03-01-2008 10:05 PM

It's getting to be too late to not ponder random, trivial subjects philosophically.

Riva 03-01-2008 10:05 PM

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16055791]Yes, but there's no [i]irony[/i] at all

Irony requires some kind of contradiction

Playing on the albums [i]Ram It Down[/i] and [i]Point of Entry[/i] and later rape convictions are quite frankly in accord, as is Rob Halford's homosexuality[/QUOTE]

No, irony isn't quite as straight-laced as that.

The irony is that he played on albums with such suggestive titles, only to be found out to be acting in a similar manner to those titles later on. If he had been called "The Rapist" all along, it would have been fitting or "congruous" as you called it.

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 10:06 PM

It kind of is.


Jason: For some reason I though it was last year.

pulseczar 03-01-2008 10:06 PM

it's too late to trivialize

it's toooo laaaaaaaaaaate

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=Riva;16055793]Google.com says it was 2004.[/QUOTE]

All hail Google! All hail Google!

@ other post, How is that ironic?

Jaundice 03-01-2008 10:07 PM

I thought the irony was that it was on those particular recording when the rapist played.

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 10:08 PM

[QUOTE=LostChild;16055800]It's getting to be too late to not ponder random,[B] trivial subjects philosophically.[/B][/QUOTE]
lol what

Jaundice 03-01-2008 10:08 PM

Believe me, you can do it. It's all I ever do.

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 10:10 PM

There is no incongruity between playing suggestive music and then somehow acting on the themes, whether or not he was called 'The Rapist' at the time

Hence no irony

Riva 03-01-2008 10:10 PM

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16055805]All hail Google! All hail Google!

Riva - How is that ironic?[/QUOTE]

Irony is more than simple sarcasm. Irony can be sardonic and mocking as well.

[url]http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF085-The_Tree_of_Irony.gif[/url]

This is the simplest form of irony, the one you are thinking about.

Jaundice 03-01-2008 10:11 PM

But I doubt he had much input on naming albums.

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 10:14 PM

Yes, but I still fail to see the irony

It's an oft-abused term

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 10:15 PM

[QUOTE=LostChild;16055816]Believe me, you can do it. It's all I ever do.[/QUOTE]

and by philosophical, you mean not really?

Jaundice 03-01-2008 10:15 PM

Some what pseudo-philosophically. But still looking at alternate true ways to perceive meaningless things.

Eliminator 03-01-2008 10:16 PM

rofl

gmoneyguy 03-01-2008 10:16 PM

then there is no truth to be had.

1338 h4x0r 03-01-2008 10:17 PM

I like to force everything I see into some kind math or CS context


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