[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Nothing important was ever done by people who never bothered to think large scale. Innovation and change is erected by those who step out of the boundries of society. Nike would care if all Americans banded together, but if they all take your stance and delude themselves into thinking they can't make a difference so there is no reason to bother, then Nike does not care about the few who do step over their bounds, and who actually believe in their cause, rather than throw up a transparent front.[/QUOTE]

Jake's revelation: If you care so much about changing the world, why do you spend so much time on mx? Just a thought...People that think big scale, big enough to change the world devote their lives to getting something done.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Which is what I said in my last post, only a bit more specific.[/QUOTE]


Yup, something I didn't see till I posted it.

Vince, you are taking this out of proportion since he is/was talking on it on a whole different scale then you are thinking of...

Getting people to boycott Nike is not an easy task, and not every one sees it the way as you are describing. And also in Ray's post, the key word is "some", he never said the whole country...

[QUOTE=Vince]Nothing important was ever done by people who never bothered to think large scale. Innovation and change is erected by those who step out of the boundries of society. Nike would care if all Americans banded together, but if they all take your stance and delude themselves into thinking they can't make a difference so there is no reason to bother, then Nike does not care about the few who do step over their bounds, and who actually believe in their cause, rather than throw up a transparent front.
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The problem isn't that I've "deluded myself", it's that I genuinely don't care about the issue enough to take action. Which leads to...

[QUOTE=Vince]something about being selfish[/QUOTE]

It probably is, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

If trying to improve the lives of my family, my friends, fellow American blacks, and myself over trying to save the world is "selfish", then call me the most selfish man in the world for all I care.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Which is of course selfish, though no one is ever willing to admit it.[/QUOTE]

In that set of mind, it is impossible to not be selfish.


Human nature demands that not only do put ourselves ahead of others, but that we put people that we are familair with above those we do not know. To break away from this preset in every action we take is not only impossible but foolish to attempt.

I'm going to tell a joke ITT now.

A lady goes to the doctor's office and tells the doctor that she can't get her husband to have sex with her anymore. So, the doctor gives her some pills and says to give her husband one each night in his dinner whenever she wants to have sex.

That night she gave him one and they had a decent night of sex. The next night she decided to try 4 pills and she had even better sex. Well, the next night she tried 8 pills and the sex was wonderful. So the next night she decided to dump the whole bottle in his dinner.

The next day her son showed up at the doctor's office and and said,"Doctor, Doctor, what did you do to my Daddy? My mom's dead, my sister's pregnant, my butt hurts, and my dad's going around saying, 'Here kitty, kitty, kitty!'"

/lame

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Which is of course selfish, though no one is ever willing to admit it.[/QUOTE]


Yes, it is selfish.

But you must take into consideration, people do this to keep their own little world stable. Maintaining your own little world around you with the people you personally know is alot easier then trying to start a revolution that needs to involve millions upon million of people.

That is, how I see it at least. I would love to help these people on a large scale, but is it possible with my situation I am at the moment? No. So why should I be essentially caring for those people when I should be worrying about my life at hand and keeping it as good as possible?

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I'm going to tell a joke ITT now.

A lady goes to the doctor's office and tells the doctor that she can't get her husband to have sex with her anymore. So, the doctor gives her some pills and says to give her husband one each night in his dinner whenever she wants to have sex.

That night she gave him one and they had a decent night of sex. The next night she decided to try 4 pills and she had even better sex. Well, the next night she tried 8 pills and the sex was wonderful. So the next night she decided to dump the whole bottle in his dinner.

The next day her son showed up at the doctor's office and and said,"Doctor, Doctor, what did you do to my Daddy? My mom's dead, my sister's pregnant, my butt hurts, and my dad's going around saying, 'Here kitty, kitty, kitty!'"

/lame[/QUOTE]

Wow. :upset: Your jokes have hit a new low. Think of more though :D

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I'm going to tell a joke ITT now.

A lady goes to the doctor's office and tells the doctor that she can't get her husband to have sex with her anymore. So, the doctor gives her some pills and says to give her husband one each night in his dinner whenever she wants to have sex.

That night she gave him one and they had a decent night of sex. The next night she decided to try 4 pills and she had even better sex. Well, the next night she tried 8 pills and the sex was wonderful. So the next night she decided to dump the whole bottle in his dinner.

The next day her son showed up at the doctor's office and and said,"Doctor, Doctor, what did you do to my Daddy? My mom's dead, my sister's pregnant, my butt hurts, and my dad's going around saying, 'Here kitty, kitty, kitty!'"

/lame[/QUOTE]
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

But good lame, keep in mind.

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I'm going to tell a joke ITT now.

A lady goes to the doctor's office and tells the doctor that she can't get her husband to have sex with her anymore. So, the doctor gives her some pills and says to give her husband one each night in his dinner whenever she wants to have sex.

That night she gave him one and they had a decent night of sex. The next night she decided to try 4 pills and she had even better sex. Well, the next night she tried 8 pills and the sex was wonderful. So the next night she decided to dump the whole bottle in his dinner.

The next day her son showed up at the doctor's office and and said,"Doctor, Doctor, what did you do to my Daddy? My mom's dead, my sister's pregnant, my butt hurts, and my dad's going around saying, 'Here kitty, kitty, kitty!'"

/lame[/QUOTE]

If you want to diffuse the situation, you're gonna have to do better than that.

You know what, shut the fuc[size=2]k up.

/throws on bullshi[/size]t philosophical hat

You make the choice to read what I have to say, just don't next time. You should be able to tell by now how to decipher when I'm telling a joke and when I'm being serious.

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]You know what, shut the fuc[size=2]k up.

/throws on bullshi[/size]t philosophical hat

You make the choice to read what I have to say, just don't next time. You should be able to tell by now how to decipher when I'm telling a joke and when I'm being serious.[/QUOTE]


STFU h8er

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]You know what, shut the fuc[size=2]k up.

/throws on [b]emo[/b] hat

You make the choice to read what I have to say, just don't next time. You should be able to tell by now how to decipher when I'm telling a joke and when I'm being serious.[/QUOTE]

Fix'd

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]You know what, shut the fuc[size=2]k up.

/throws on bullshi[/size]t philosophical hat

You make the choice to read what I have to say, just don't next time. You should be able to tell by now how to decipher when I'm telling a joke and when I'm being serious.[/QUOTE]

You knew perfectly well that people were going to read it, so next time, try to not make it suck.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Jake's revelation: If you care so much about changing the world, why do you spend so much time on mx? Just a thought...People that think big scale, big enough to change the world devote their lives to getting something done.[/QUOTE]
I'm just stating my views on the issue, which is not to say I care about people enough to try and fix their plight. If I did, I would devote myself to that cause. I don't care enough about that to do anything about it though.

Jason: It's not easy because people don't care. I don't either, but the fact is few people will admit to not caring about any human being. The fact of the matter is you either care about humans or you don't, there isn't a middle ground where you only care about a few.

Ray: As long as you're comfortable discriminating, I don't care. Oh, except I do because if you only care about certain groups you sacrifice the well being of other groups, which is what the entirety of humanity does anyways, and so no one ever accomplishes anything because they're too busy stepping on each others' toes.

Otherside: Of course we put ourselves before others, so why do people even bother putting up a facade of caring, the only thing we all care about is ourselves.

Jason (again): If one man can't do anything to change something, nothing can ever be changed.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]
Jason (again): If one man can't do anything to change something, nothing can ever be changed.[/QUOTE]

Quote worthiness++

Fu[B][I][/I][/B]ck. This entire thread just got utterly pwned by Vince. :upset:

Vinny, I dunno what your protocol is supposed to be here. Are you trying to change how I think? It's just not working. I think you need to get your priorities in order.

Meh, this has gotten really lame.

Well, i just realized..you're saying that people should care more, yet you say that you don't care enough to do anything...AHA!!

Lucky for us, we didn't all get pwned by Vince.

What did the lady say to Michael Jackson at the beach?

[QUOTE=Otherside]What did the lady say to Michael Jackson at the beach?[/QUOTE]

I dunno, what?

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]I'm just stating my views on the issue, which is not to say I care about people enough to try and fix their plight. If I did, I would devote myself to that cause. I don't care enough about that to do anything about it though.

Jason: It's not easy because people don't care. I don't either, but the fact is few people will admit to not caring about any human being. The fact of the matter is you either care about humans or you don't, there isn't a middle ground where you only care about a few.

Jason (again): If one man can't do anything to change something, nothing can ever be changed.[/QUOTE]


actually, there is a middle ground, and I have already described that is known as each persons personal lives and relationships.

I only care for a few people dearly, which are my family and some of my real close personal friends. To tell me I do not care for them is a false statement riding only on your views of the world with the ignorance of knowing me personally hanging high above your head.

And in a world with over 6 billion people and various other factors such as time and money, that is hardly true. You need quite a bit of people to make a change in this world any more when it comes to helping human rights and such...

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Vinny, I dunno what your protocol is supposed to be here. Are you trying to change how I think? It's just not working. I think you need to get your priorities in order.[/QUOTE]
Meh, I care how everyone thinks insofar as they feed themselves so much bull****, and actually believe every word of what they say because they delude themselves so much. When people are comfortable with being the douches they are I won't mind them as much. My priorities are in order, as long as I am forced to deal with people, I want to make them as amicable to be around as I can.

[QUOTE=AntiHero3314]I dunno, what?[/QUOTE]

You're in my son.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Well, i just realized..you're saying that people should care more, yet you say that you don't care enough to do anything...AHA!!

Lucky for us, we didn't all get pwned by Vince.[/QUOTE]
If they claim to care they should care more. I just don't even bother to lie and say that I care. If no one claims to care they're all being honest with themselves and we're good.

What did the angry mxer say to the unfunny mxer?


stfu

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]What did the angry mxer say to the unfunny mxer?


stfu[/QUOTE]

/lame :p

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Meh, I care how everyone thinks insofar as they feed themselves so much bull****, and actually believe every word of what they say because they delude themselves so much. When people are comfortable with being the douches they are I won't mind them as much. My priorities are in order, as long as I am forced to deal with people, I want to make them as amicable to be around as I can.[/QUOTE]

Clearly you contradict yourself, as you seem to be going off on me.

Jesus Christ, you guys are killing this thread. Take this to Politics, please.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]actually, there is a middle ground, and I have already described that is known as each persons personal lives and relationships.

I only care for a few people dearly, which are my family and some of my real close personal friends. To tell me I do not care for them is a false statement riding only on your views of the world with the ignorance of knowing me personally hanging high above your head.

And in a world with over 6 billion people and various other factors such as time and money, that is hardly true. You need quite a bit of people to make a change in this world any more when it comes to helping human rights and such...[/QUOTE]
If you care about some humans, you can't be apathetic to others.

I believe you do, I also believe you care about the rest of the world too, you're just too lazy to fix the problems and so it lowers your quality of life to know that some people aren't as happy as those around you. It hurts less because it isn't a daily pain, but it's still painful.

Yet one person has to lead the multitudes in order to effect change. If one man cannot lead this revolution it will never come about. Change starts with an idea, and that idea is always rooted in one man.