[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]
To those that think Ghost Reveries was rushed--Mikael said that he actually finished writing it before they started recording. That's something that didn't happen with BWP, Deliverance, or ****ation. [B]But who knows maybe Roadrunner forced Mikael to say that[/B], so take it with a grain of salt....(In other words, There's really only one entity to blame if you don't like the album--and it ISN'T Roadrunner).
[/QUOTE]

Not a chance. If you look in Opeth's news archives you'll see that he talks about having written and rehearsed months before they signed on with RR.

"Opeth will be entering Fashination street studios on March 15 to record their 8th yet untitled opus. The band are currently in rehearsal mode, which is a rare occasion having recorded the last 4 records without rehearsing"

That's in JANUARY... they didn't hit the studio until March and didn't sign until sometime in May.

So that's about 2 months rehearsal, then recording, then 2 more months and RR comes into play.

Realistically, there is no way RR had much to do with the album's contents.



I know you were just being hypothetical ES, I just wanted to point those things out to everyone :)

I hate the funky organ rhythm in the into to Baying of the Hounds.

S'not so bad.

I saw Opeth last night, it was pretty awesome. It's my third time seeing them my first show was about three years ago, and it's really weird to see how much Mikael's stage presence and interaction with the crowd has changed.

[QUOTE=spastic]I saw Opeth last night, it was pretty awesome. It's my third time seeing them my first show was about three years ago, and it's really weird to see how much Mikael's stage presence and interaction with the crowd has changed.[/QUOTE]
Was his prescense a change for the better? How close were you to him?

He seems much more comfortable on stage. It's not that he seemed uncomfortable when I first saw him, it's just that back then it was like he was thinking "Holy crap I can't believe all these crazy fans are cheering for me" the entire concert and because of that he seemed incredibly modest. Now he's definitely realized that there are tons of people that think of him as a God, and even though he still seems modest, he's much more comfortable making jokes or interacting with the crowd. I like his stage presence either way.

For most of the concert I was about 50 feet away from the stage probably. I moved closer occasionally, but I'm not the kinda guy that loves to be a few inches from the band for the entire show.

Also, if anyone has ever seen Opeth, you've probably seen Mikael say "Thank you very much" after almost every song, it's kind of a joke on his part now since anyone that's seen them live knows this saying. First time I saw them they weren't nearly as big, and most people had probably never seen them in concert, so either no one got the "joke" or it was before it had turned into a joke. Just a minor observation...

[Quote]I know you were just being hypothetical ES, I just wanted to point those things out to everyone [/Quote]

I wasn't being hypothetical--I was completely joking dude, hence the parenthetical statement that followed. No one other than Opeth can be at fault here(that's if you choose to look at this album as less than spectactular, and some do), and it would be silly to even suggest anything outside of Opeth, most especially the label. If people read your post they'll know that, cause everything you mentioned is well expressed and 100% correct.

And in the very same tongue in cheek mindset I say....
[Quote] Was his prescense a change for the better? How close were you to him?[/Quote]

If it was worse its because of Roadrunner. Sorry couldn't help it.

I just read through the last couple of pages, and can't help but argue with Route 1. Do you even comprehend what you're saying? I beg you to provide substantial proof that one Opeth album is objectively better than another Opeth album. Hell, prove to me that any piece of music is objectively better than another.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you can't because music is largely subjective. The "objective' aspects of music that people often bring up (technique, speed, complicated compositional techniques) are really inane when you get down to it. For almost all intensive purposes, music is solely subjective. (I do believe there are reasons for music to be objectively viewed, but these are more philosophically oriented arguments and wouldn't help this argument any).

It's as if it's all subjective and based on PREFERENCE.

Hey, yeah, so, I've never posted in this thread, i used to be a huge R&M junkie, then the Pit caught my fancie, well, now, im starting to come back. Anywho, i downloaded some Opeth a while ago, i really liked it. I just found this [url]http://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/opeth/ecard.htm[/url] site for anybody who wants/needs it.
umm yeah, so, just saying hi, and letting you know that you may be seeing me posting in here every so often

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]It's as if it's all subjective and based on PREFERENCE.[/QUOTE]


What a novel concept!

[QUOTE=spastic]What a novel concept![/QUOTE]

SHUT UP, THAT KID A NOOB!!!1

[QUOTE=Cain]But it all goes back to subjective taste. A great many people feel that death metal requires no talent or skill to play, since conventional melodies and such things are almost non-existant. Someone may easily think Nickelback are more talented because they write better melodic hooks, catchier songs, etc. So that opinion, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I WOULD VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE, is in NO way "obviously wrong." It is simply an unlikely and perhaps uninformed opinion. However if a person listened to Opeth carefully and cited specific things about them that didn't appeal to them, I would have no problem with someone holding that view.[/QUOTE]


Then respect my opinion, being I don't ''force'' it like you do. I dgaf who you listen to, to each his own...and I respect that. I, myself, like Opeth's [I]earlier[/I] recordings a lot better then late. That's me. I've never tried once to ''force'' my opinion on other posters in here to make them believe my opinion is greater then theirs. I personally, like I've stated over 1,000 times, do not care for Opeth's latest recording. It's my opinion, so drop it.

[QUOTE=spastic]What a novel concept![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]SHUT UP, THAT KID A NOOB!!!1[/QUOTE]


Thats sarcasm dumbfukc.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Thats sarcasm dumbfukc.[/QUOTE]

I was mocking myself.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Then respect my opinion, being I don't ''force'' it like you do. I dgaf who you listen to, to each his own...and I respect that. I, myself, like Opeth's [I]earlier[/I] recordings a lot better then late. That's me. I've never tried once to ''force'' my opinion on other posters in here to make them believe my opinion is greater then theirs. I personally, like I've stated over 1,000 times, do not care for Opeth's latest recording. It's my opinion, so drop it.[/QUOTE]

But you've been blaming the things that make you not care for it on Roadrunner, which is ridiculous. I respect that you think the album is weak, but you've been acting like Opeth were raped up the *** by their producer and then released a friggin' Nickelback single. You're citing a totally false idea about record label pressure, and blaming that invented circumstance for the album's weaknesses (as they are percieved by you). That's more what I'm pissed about than your opinion.

We played last night at a local bar, we ended the show with [I]Wreath[/I]. We never play covers, but decided to learn this song, for sh;ts and giggles. Our singer can't even touch Mikaels voice, but he did well. It sounded really good, most people didn't know what it was though...but still. It was really worth it, especially after practicing it for 5 straight weeks. Our lead singer was coughing up sh't after the show, he said he snapped and just went berzerk on the intro :lol: It's a pretty cool song to play live.

they went to roadrunner to appeal to a greater audience. a quote from revolver says the only reason they went on the sounds of the underground tour is to appeal to a bigger audience or to steal there fans he said jokenly. thats one of the main reasons why they went to roadrunner

He's right Flynn, Roadrunner probably had very little say about anything for this album.

I'm starting to like it a little more now, I'm starting to accept that just because the guitar work is REALLY laid back from the other cds, that it can still be a decent Opeth album. Favorite songs are Ghost Of Peridtion and Baying of the Hounds. :)

Still not on par with BWP though. :p

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]He's right Flynn, Roadrunner probably had very little say about anything for this album.

I'm starting to like it a little more now, I'm starting to accept that just because the guitar work is REALLY laid back from the other cds, that it can still be a decent Opeth album. Favorite songs are Ghost Of Peridtion and Baying of the Hounds. :)

Still not on par with BWP though. :p[/QUOTE]
Exactly. But don't let SOME poeple see that! :p


I kiiiiiddd I kiddddd

[QUOTE=Cain]But you've been blaming the things that make you not care for it on Roadrunner, which is ridiculous. I respect that you think the album is weak, but you've been acting like Opeth were raped up the *** by their producer and then released a friggin' Nickelback single. You're citing a totally false idea about record label pressure, and blaming that invented circumstance for the album's weaknesses (as they are percieved by you). That's more what I'm pissed about than your opinion.[/QUOTE]


I don't like Roadrunner. I have my reasons. I'm sure you don't like a lot of things, I won't try and change your mind about it. I'm not blaming anyone...It's not Roadrunner's fault Mikael wanted to do things that way. It wasn't Roadrunner's idea to ket a keyboardist. I never said that. I just don't like the label. [U]Period.[/U] So, once again, Cain...Drop it. One more thing, why do you keep talking about Nickelback? What do they have to do with anything? :confused:

Nickelback likes Opeth... well the singer anyway.

/off topic..

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Nickelback likes Opeth... well the singer anyway.

/off topic..[/QUOTE]

God, you'd think he'd at least be influenced by Mikael's singing style instead of endlessly repeating that tired 'generic 90s rock' way he sings.

And you'd think their songs wouldn't suck, especially that one new goddam single that's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS on the radio.

[QUOTE=Jude]God, you'd think he'd at least be influenced by Mikael's singing style instead of endlessly repeating that tired 'generic 90s rock' way he sings.

And you'd think their songs wouldn't suck, especially that one new goddam single that's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS on the radio.[/QUOTE]


rofl :lol: :lol: no doubt

Where I work, we can't change the station...and guess what station it's ALWAYS on?

CLEAR CHANNEL! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH :angry: :angry: :angry:

Could you guys imagine Nickelback trying to growl? That would be even worse then it already is! :p

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Could you guys imagine Nickelback trying to growl? That would be even worse then it already is! :p[/QUOTE]
No, it would then be amusing, so it would at least have the virtue of being funny even if it still sucked.

What do you guys think?

Opeth/Nickleback split CD anytime soon? :lol:

I'd buy it.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I'd buy it.[/QUOTE]
I would too, just to see what it would sound like. lol

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I'd buy it.[/QUOTE]
I was just about to type that. :p :thumb:

Ha, foiled again!

[QUOTE=Jude]I wouldn't know, but I seriously doubt Opeth would have their music be used in a game. Especially not a lame clickfest like Diablo[/QUOTE]


Well lame or not i really thought the soundtrack sounded similar to some of the acoustic breaks on BWP and Mike thanks blizzard entertainment on the booklet on the inside of GR. Could that be some weird ****ing coincidence? O well..Great band anyway :thumb:

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Could you guys imagine Nickelback trying to growl? That would be even worse then it already is! :p[/QUOTE]


That would be funny, the singer can't sing for [I]s[/I][I]hit[/I]. His voice would prolly crack, burst something in his throat. Need vocal cord surgey.

No more nicklebag. :lol: The world would be a better place.

Opeth touring with Nickleback would be like Justin Timberlake touring with GWAR.

Nile with ashlee simpson more like it.

The Berzerker with Garth Brooks.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Nile with ashlee simpson more like it.[/QUOTE]
That would be quite a sight.

Mines better... :(

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]The Berzerker with Garth Brooks.[/QUOTE]
That would be quite a sight.

[QUOTE=Scruples]That would be quite a sight.[/QUOTE]
:thumb: :D :p