ITT pagans are whinier than gay rites activists.

[quote=Cocaine;15789461]
It's a Christian nation, like it or not. Some injustices are to be expected.[/quote]

That's my point. We are supposed to just deal with sh[size=2]i[/size]t because Christians rule.

Holy crap that's my whole point!

I'm a practising pagan. That doesn't mean anything, but I will defend to death my right to say it.

[QUOTE]Holy crap that's my whole point![/QUOTE]

I thought this was your point

[QUOTE]More crimes have been committed in the name of Yahveh and Allah than have been committed in the name of all other ideologies combined.[/QUOTE]
Or was it that stuff about eliminating judeo-christian religions because ten out of every few million followers is shitnuts insane?

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15789463]ITT pagans are whinier than gay rites activists.[/QUOTE]

And I do think gays get more **** from christians than pagans do.

No way!
[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789464]That's my point. We are supposed to just deal with sh[size=2]i[/size]t because Christians rule.[/QUOTE]

Yeah dude, they don't even pay attention to religion in any way shape or form, unless it's Christmas or Easter, and then they just go to church and think they've met salvation.

You're so very persecuted for your beliefs you've just taken up on, one that you don't even know the name of!

The whole point is that Christian ideals have taken over things they should not be in. I simply used violation of Pagan's rights as an example.

As an aetheist I am the most mistrusted group in America (more so than gays according to several polls). However, I don't see any problem with this unless I want to make a problem out of it....

Hahaha, this is reminding me of the gay rights debate in The Pit.
[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789473]The whole point is that Christian ideals have taken over things they should not be in. I simply used violation of Pagan's rights as an example.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's why abortion is legal, because the Christians are getting so damn opressive and following the Bible to the T.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789473]The whole point is that Christian ideals have taken over things they should not be in.[/QUOTE]

So Christian ideals shouldn't be an integral part of a nation founded around them? So a nation founded for Christians who wanted to practice their religion shouldn't be at all based on Christianity?

I dont want to get into some ridiculous church/state argument but you really dont seem to know what it is you're trying to prove.

[quote=i am the robots;15789475]Yeah, that's why abortion is legal, because the Christians are getting so damn opressive and following the Bible to the T.[/quote]

The number of states it is legal in is dwindling fast, if you haven't noticed.


Tyler: The country was also founded on freedom of religion. For everyone, not just Christians. In fact, that was a big deal. Yet, Christianity still trumps over everything and everyone.

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15789475]Hahaha, this is reminding me of the gay rights debate in The Pit.

Yeah, that's why abortion is legal, because the Christians are getting so damn opressive and following the Bible to the T.[/QUOTE]

They're working on it goddammit, give them some time to follow the lord's word.

[QUOTE]So a nation founded for Christians who wanted to practice their religion shouldn't be at all based on Christianity?[/QUOTE]

To be fair they were people who wanted to escape religious persecution in general (from other christians).

Yeah, and now there is SOOOOO much law enforced religious persecution!
[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789479]The number of states it is legal in is dwindling fast, if you haven't noticed.[/QUOTE]
Thank fu[font=verdana]cking[/font] God.

This is why I don't pay attention to politics, it's all so disgusting and Godless.

[quote=i am the robots;15789486]Thank fu[FONT=verdana]cking[/FONT] God.

This is why I don't pay attention to politics, it's all so disgusting and Godless.[/quote]


You're not a Christian, are you!!!????!!!




////bad attempt at King Arthur Joke

[QUOTE]Tyler: The country was also founded on freedom of religion. For everyone, not just Christians. In fact, that was a big deal. Yet, Christianity still trumps over everything and everyone.[/QUOTE]
It's still a Christian nation. The fact that Paganism is acknowledged (as hilarious as that is) is freedom of religion. Derp.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789491]You're not a Christian, are you!!!????!!!




////bad attempt at King Arthur Joke[/QUOTE]

Non-denominational Christian, it even says it on my facebook!

[quote=Cocaine;15789492]It's still a Christian nation. The fact that Paganism is acknowledged (as hilarious as that is) is freedom of religion. Derp.[/quote]

You can't preposterously "claim" that you "acknowledge" something without actually excercising it. It's words with no meaning.

Other religions were also explicitely granted "freedom from persecution".

Rob Schneider is a derp-a-derp-a-derp, rated pg-13

[QUOTE]You can't preposterously "claim" that you "acknowledge" something without actually excercising it. It's words with no meaning.[/QUOTE]

How aren't they exercising it? Not giving people the day off isn't barring them from practising the "religion".

rob schneider is... a carrot!

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids;15789501]rob schneider is... a carrot![/QUOTE]

rob schneider is a stapler.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789497]You can't preposterously "claim" that you "acknowledge" something without actually excercising it. It's words with no meaning.

Other religions were also explicitely granted "freedom from persecution".[/QUOTE]
Holidays from work are based more on a factor of how many people acknowledge these things.

I guarentee if a Asatrar supermarket worker asked off in advance for the Summer Solstice for religious reasons, they would. In fact, I might have a good friend who did this!

[quote=Cocaine;15789499]How aren't they exercising it? Not giving people the day off isn't barring them from practising the "religion".[/quote]

Oh, but the Christian would argue otherwise.

Besides, barring a soldier's family from putting a pentacle on his grave is.

holidays are based more around the free-market system than anything at this point. the fact that days off co-incide with christian holidays is a result of, as i said, it being founded as a christian nation.

[QUOTE]Oh, but the Christian would argue otherwise..[/QUOTE]
What?

You can't keep pigeonholing religions and their followers and expect me to take you seriously.

Note that I'm the only Christian currently posting in this thread, and yet I'm not persecuting you?!

In fact, if anything, you're inadvertantly persecuting me. Stop ****ing pidgeonholing every ****ing person in one of the world's largest religions based on a ****ing minority group, I'm getting really sick of it.

edit: lol Tyler we both said pidgeonholing /h5

This is one of the most non-coherent arguments I have ever tried to follow....

[QUOTE=Silenius;15789511]This is one of the most non-coherent arguments I have ever tried to follow....[/QUOTE]

That's because Axl's point changes every time he makes a post. Which is why I said like three pages back that this is futile and unrelated to black metal.

How many Christians would throw a hissyfit if they were denied putting a cross on the family member's headstone?

How many Christians would throw a hissy if they weren't able to take Christmas off based purely on the fact that thier employer didn't recognize it as a holiday, and then got fired for protesting?

The world would be in chaos.


It's a two-way street, buddy.

Hint: if you want to put non-Christian symbols on your gravestone, make sure you make an issue of being buried in a non-Christian cemetery!

Too bad I don't give a **** about any religious bitching... all religious people that complain about their religion and the hang-ups that come with it need to shut it. You're not born with your religion, when you chose a religion you should acknowledge the social significance of it as well...

[QUOTE]How many Christians would throw a hissyfit if they were denied putting a cross on the family member's headstone?[/QUOTE]
Was it a Christian graveyard?

Can't fault a religion for the taboos its followers create. You could put a swastika on your grave and people would protest it.

[QUOTE]How many Christian's would throw a hissy if they weren't able to take Christmas off based purely on the fact that thier employer didn't recognize it as a holiday, and then got fired for protesting?[/QUOTE]
But see Christmas is a Civic holiday, not just a religious one. SO that's moot.

[QUOTE]The world would be in chaos.[/QUOTE]
No it wouldn.t

[quote=Cocaine;15789514]That's because Axl's point changes every time he makes a post. Which is why I said like three pages back that this is futile and unrelated to black metal.[/quote]

Summary and tie-in:

Non-Christians come under just as much, if not more fire than Christians do. Non-Christians have just as much justification for retailiation as anyone else.

Tie-in: 90% of black metal lyrics have to do with this retaliation, in one way or another.

[size=7]Axlcondemned[/size]

Please stop persecuting me for my beliefs.

Thank you.

Tie-out: This is not a philosophy discussion thread.

Mappy: If I were persecuting you specifically for your beliefs, I would be attacking you personally.

However, I'm not, I'm discussing my issues with the ideology, so stop complaining.

Tojes, this discussion has everything to do with black metal.


However, I'm tired, so I will leave with a goodnight all.

Don't put religion on the same level as philosophy, that's taking a **** on Socrates, Plato, Shoppenhauer, Nietzsche, etc.

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15789539]Tie-out: This is not a philosophy discussion thread.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cocaine;15789230]And, once again:
[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61[/url]

If you're so keen on talking religion and so keen on making asses of yourselves, at least do it in a place where you can discuss it more appropriately, rather than ****ing up this thread with some **** you learned on CNN. Nobody cares, seriously.

I know you're a Pagan or whatever. But leave the religious discussion for a forum more suited. That, or, I dont know, learn the subject matter.


See, like this. This just makes fun of itself. Take it to PWNI[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Don't put religion on the same level as philosophy, that's taking a **** on Socrates, Plato, Shoppenhauer, Nietzsche, etc.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you but religion is philosophy. That's a really offensive statement to make. Dont undermind ideas just because you're not a fan of faith.

However, when you repeatedly say, "Christians," as apposed to, "superstitious country bumpkins," it offends me.

I think I'll write something to retaliate to this!

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15789497]You can't preposterously "claim" that you "acknowledge" something without actually excercising it. It's words with no meaning.

Other religions were also explicitely granted "freedom from persecution".[/QUOTE]

wait i read that wrong. the first part is worded in a confusing manner which lends itself to misinterpretation on my part.

[quote=i am the robots;15789547]However, when you repeatedly say, "Christians," as apposed to, "superstitious country bumpkins," it offends me.

I think I'll write something to retaliate to this![/quote]

You're a superstitious country bumpkin.


What now? :p

[QUOTE]wtf, this is like saying to acknowledge the big bang theory i have to blow myself up[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!