The stage hats we have a college are quite thick.

Basically, I'm looking for something that sounds really nice when sloshy.

New Beats.

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>_>

^_^

Although, I've got to admit, Vault hats have a really nice sound when played partly open.

[QUOTE=Plan B.;15602189]classic case of the newbeat-dissociative effect

not much we can do about it now

won't be much longer until he's buying earth rides and remarking on how good radia's sound[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind an earth ride, but I don't plan on buying one. K Custom Hybrid FTW!

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Never really heard radia's... what line are they under?

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And welcome back tapioca, I remember you. I have one of your solos saved on my old computer still.[/QUOTE]

that's cool. I guess I haven't really improved since then, but I'm still playing drums, regularly in bands now though.

a word to the Anatolians: to me, they all got a very raw, rather cold sound, well suited for strong and violent music. the Emotions are softer, but still carry parts of that raw sound. they have almost no distinct sound at the impact of the sticks, so it would indeed suite to music like Jazz (I tried a 18" thin crash, very nice). finally, both lines have a nice, long decay.
so, I went for the 18" Utimate Power Crash. can't wait to try them out on my set tomorrow.

[QUOTE=crazyguy832;15605844]I wouldn't mind an earth ride, but I don't plan on buying one. K Custom Hybrid FTW!

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Never really heard radia's... what line are they under?[/QUOTE]

I think they're one about Radia Cup Chimes. They were made by Sabian, and I think they were Terry Bozzio's signature cymbals. They don't make them anymore, to the best of my knowledge.

They're rather thick, Zil-Bell like even, which was what they were getting at at the time.

Yeah radias are bozzios signature cymbals and have long been out of production.

Most of them were horrible but i like the chinas and bells.

On another note, I did just purchase some New Beats, but they're slightly different to the average set.

[url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150188040038&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005[/url]

[quote=Drum Phil;15606523]Yeah radias are bozzios signature cymbals and have long been out of production.

Most of them were horrible but i like the chinas and bells.[/quote]

no sabian cymbal ever goes out of production. You can always get them to make you any sabian cymbal that didnt say prototype on it.

[QUOTE=enemytopublic2;15613142]no sabian cymbal ever goes out of production. You can always get them to make you any sabian cymbal that didnt say prototype on it.[/QUOTE]

A custom order does not a production run make.

Or, stop being wrong. If they've stopped production of it, it's out of production. The fact that you can special order it is neither here nor there, though it is useful if you want a cymbal that is [u]out of production[/u].

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the only other thing on my set i would like to update is my crash. Right now im using an 18" AAX stage and a 16" ZBT. what are so cymbals i should look at that would compliment the AAX, and work well with softer music?[/QUOTE]

any help?

Sabian 17" HHX Evolution

do want something to compliment with a similar sound of contrast with a darker sound?

many people ignore the fact that a contrasting sound will still work with the other cymbal as long as the blend. it'll also add depth to you sound palate.

i like to have bright and dark cymbals. that's my reasoning behind having both paragon and hhx cymbals.

if you want a similar sound, just stick with a nice AAX cymbal. if you want a contrasting sound, try out HHX cymbals. hhx stage crashes are absolutely beautiful.




to be technical, complementary would actually apply an opposite sound much like complementary colors.

[QUOTE]to be technical, complementary would actually apply an opposite sound much like complementary colors.[/QUOTE]

this. ill check out the HHX, any other ideas?

[QUOTE=As The Roots Undo;15613520]Sabian 17" HHX Evolution[/QUOTE]

hey how are you

[quote=spirit;15613275]A custom order does not a production run make.

Or, stop being wrong. If they've stopped production of it, it's out of production. The fact that you can special order it is neither here nor there, though it is useful if you want a cymbal that is [U]out of production[/U].[/quote]

go to music store...order 16" radia chinese...they do it...you get it...guaranteed...try it if you want.

[QUOTE=enemytopublic2;15614117]go to music store...order 16" radia chinese...they do it...you get it...guaranteed...try it if you want.[/QUOTE]

So what you're saying is that they're still in production, but no longer listed in catalogues or on the Sabian site? Possible, but I'm unconvinced.

Having checked the Sabian site, they still list the 18" Radia Chinese.

It should be noted that we were talking about Radia chimes though.

It should also be noted I wasn't arguing specifically about the Radia series, just arguing against your statement.

As said, they're out of production but they'll still make them.

They are no longer part of a [U]production[/U] line. Hence out of production.

Indeed. They'll make any of their 'discontinued' cymbals

Is that the same with other brands?

Sometimes. I don't know of any off by heart but, in theory, yes.

OOOohhhh..

[QUOTE=ygokazuki;15588857]any recommendations for a ride with a loud bell thats good for recording?
i've a Wuhan 20" S now and it's way too washy. would like to spend around 200 if possible.
thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
so I've done some research and quite like the Z Custom ride and the AAX Metal ride. What are your opinions on these?
Thanks.

Z Custom Ride isn't bad, nor is the AAX Metal Ride.

But... loud bell? ANY professional ride will be good for recording (some may be a little more difficult, but they'll all work.

AA Raw Bell ride is AMAZING. As well, the A Ping Ride has a [i]really[/i] nice bell sound. Finally, look into Chris Adler's ride (as a man who only cares about the ride bell... you know it's good :thumb: ).

[QUOTE=crazyguy832;15620920]Z Custom Ride isn't bad, nor is the AAX Metal Ride.

But... loud bell? ANY professional ride will be good for recording (some may be a little more difficult, but they'll all work.

AA Raw Bell ride is AMAZING. As well, the A Ping Ride has a [i]really[/i] nice bell sound. Finally, look into Chris Adler's ride (as a man who only cares about the ride bell... you know it's good :thumb: ).[/QUOTE]
thanks for the quick respons!
AA Raw Bell was suggested to me, but imo was too washy. (then again this is only by listening to soundclips)
the A ping looks cool too tho, thanks for the pointer (listening to soundclips, sound kinda washy with a lot of high overtones...idk not what I was goin for)
and the chris adler ride is way outta my range lol, like 450.
thx again

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THOSE

CLIPS

ARE

LIES

The AA Raw Bell and A Ping are two of the LEAST washy rides I have EVER heard.

Trust me on this one. You play with either of those rides at a half-decent volume level with guitars going, there is NO wash being heard. I don't even mean metal volume. I mean amped PERIOD. Church worship level stuff.

And, I mean, god DAMN it... the A [i]PING[/i] ride!!! The A Custom Ping ride, yes, has a lot of wash. But just the straight A Ping ride... god damn it. Besides being the greatest ride evar, it is PING!!! >_<

woa that was emphatic lol. thanks much for the info, appreciate it!

Having a 22" Pinger, it does have ping, but its by no means dead. You can check out any of my audio here [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandid=771271&content=music[/url] if you wanted to hear what it sounds like with guitars going in a musical context.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys;15621061]Having a 22" Pinger, it does have ping, but its by no means dead. You can check out any of my audio here [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandid=771271&content=music[/url] if you wanted to hear what it sounds like with guitars going in a musical context.[/QUOTE]

thanks, I listened to Cold, sounded great! pretty much how I want it haha.
so would you say the AA Raw Bell sounds similar to the 22 Ping? Can't quite afford the latter.

Ummm... where I am, the two rides are about the same price.

Look into the 20" A Ping. It's bother cheaper and (imho, just barely) sounds better than the 22".

^_^

The AA Raw Bell is a MUCH different ride from the A Ping. It has a very distinct bell and crashes much differently.

Really, as with anything musical, try em both out and decide which one you like more.

You could also possibly look into a HH Raw Bell, although that'd probably be a little too dark for your tastes. Personally, I'm going to be picking up a HH Raw Bell at some point in the future to compliment my A Ping Ride... as well as a K Custom Ride.

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I swear that's it, though!

my bad on the price, you're right.
I would indeed like a very distinct bell, but I don't plan on crashing on it, as that's one of the main reasons I'm buying a ride - to use my Wuhan S 20" ride as the crash it really seems to be.
I was lookin at the HH raw bell too, it's too expensive tho.
I need to try the Z Custom, AA Raw Bell, and A Ping, basically...ugh, how I loathe guitar center. oh well.

AA Raw Bell > ZBT Ride > Ping Ride.

Seriously.

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No.

Just........... no.

[QUOTE=As The Roots Undo;15624547]AA Raw Bell > ZBT Ride > Ping Ride.

Seriously.[/QUOTE]

You are not serious.

I can understand liking washy rides more. BUt saying a ZBT owns a Ping...no, sorry.

You want washy? Get the 24" K Light Ride; now that's washy.

I would stear clear of Z Custom rides to be honest. They're far too restrictive and only useful as second rides.

Im rather partial to the Sabian HH Rock Ride

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;15630970]I would stear clear of Z Custom rides to be honest. They're far too restrictive and only useful as second rides.

Im rather partial to the Sabian HH Rock Ride[/QUOTE]
thanks very much for your input. HH stuff is too expensive, but I appreciate your thoughts on the Z custom

Nothing is too expensive. You're paying for quality man. Z customs are pants

[QUOTE=oliv_da_skinmasher;15631292]Z customs are pants[/QUOTE]
I...don't...know...if that's good or not! *head explodes*

Neither do I.

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Pants, TMK, is bad.

But Z Customs arent [I]bad[/I]. They just arent versatile.