[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17896889]Actually I have watched Fox News and they do lie, a lot. See the case of them showing video footage from a different event in order to make it look like one of their stupid teabagger rallies had a big turnout when it didn't. They even openly admitted that they're not a real news channel in order to win a lawsuit. Fox News is nothing but a propaganda machine for right wing idiots. People like Beck and O'Reilly are a threat to humanity. Fair and balanced my ***.[/QUOTE]

Woah there, you are going to pop a blood vessel if you don't watch it! Beck and O'Reilly are opinion shows, just because they are on during prime time people throw a fit. If you actually watched the news, and it isn't hard to distinguish, you usually see almost every story on both CNN and Fox News.


I don't see how people can go out and say Fox is "right wing idiots" when they actually have a lot of Liberals on their as well as Conservatives, let alone some of the hosts align them selves as liberals (Greta Van Susteren, Chris Wallace, Shep Smith, and I believe Geraldo Rivera) and those that don't often refer to them selves as neutral (Beck and O'Reilly). The only one I know has called him self a conservative is Hannity.


I mean come on, they had Christina Pelosi on the other day. The daughter of Nanci Pelosi, and she is at least close to as liberal as her mother. That and Juan Williams loves to make appearances on Fox shows.

[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17896889]See the case of them showing video footage from a different event in order to make it look like one of their stupid teabagger rallies had a big turnout when it didn't.[/QUOTE]

CNN has said dozens and even hundreds showed up to rallies where there were almost ten thousand people or more... Right wing garbage only exists because there's a market for people interested in getting away from the left wing garbage. It's [i]all[/i] still garbage tho.

When that retard Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building and I heard Chris Matthews talk about how he was another right wing extremist (when his suicide note ends with the communist creed) I stopped feeling the need to apologize for Glenn Beck. I hate Ann Coulter too, but why apologize, because Michael Moore doesn't speak for the left, does he?

You can't do or believe in anything without someone you are ashamed of agreeing with you... It's a human thing...

[QUOTE=R.L.;17896661]i guess for today i am. i could really give a **** either way.[/QUOTE]

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The closest thing Fox News has to a liberal is Shepard Smith and even that's a stretch. Of course Beck and O'Reilly's shows are "opinion" shows, but they don't like to openly admit that. In fact, about 90% of the stuff on Fox is opinion, that's how they got out of the lawsuit I mentioned.

Sure they've had liberals on before but what you don't see is that the video is edited to ****. Look at the show O'Reilly did with Jon Stewart, the broadcasted version is completely different than the unedited one that showed up online. The minute Fox News hired Sarah Palin is when they lost any shred of credibility they had left.

It doesn't bother me that they have opinions contrary to my own, I like debate and it's good for the country. But the hate and lies that people like Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh spew whips their ignorant, paranoid viewer base into a frenzy. That's dangerous, Beck and his fake crying, writing arbitrary terms on a chalk board, straw man arguments are going to influence someone to go crazy and do something stupid. There's a reason his sponsors are dropping him right and left.

Personally I'm more worried about our President who goes out and lies to the people to get a health care bill passed, goes back on his word, etc. etc. than some ______-wing nut job saying something on TV.


On O'Reilly's show he had a Democratic House Member, I can't remember who, on video saying the IRS was not the enforcer of the new Health Care Bill. If he had read the bill he would know they are. Obama lied and said as soon as the bill is signed into law that no children can be denied health care insurance for a pre-existing condition. In reality it was no child can be dropped from their health care for a pre-existing condition.

Obama brought Hillary's health care of the 1990's up against her when he was running for the Democratic nod, saying that it was a bad idea to force health care on people and that you can't mandate it and penalize people for not having it. WTF did he just help pass?


Obama will do anything, will say anything, if it gets him what he wants and he doesn't give a s[size=2]h[/size]it about the repercussions. You may point out the flaw here or there that, was more so the producers (most likely) fault, is on Fox News, but other news organizations have similar mistakes.

MSNBC and even a few people on CNN are trying to make the Tea Party out as a bunch of racists white people with guns who are seconds away from trying to physically over-throw the government. Yet no one really cared when people protested George W. Bush with signs that had a red dot on his fore-head.


Liberals use freedom of speech, but the second it is turned against them they are a victim and who ever is against them is the oppressor. Believe it or not, while Republican's love their 2nd amendment right to weapons they don't go around shooting people who they don't like.


Going to have to agree with JCBitB above though, I just ignore people like Micheal Moore so why don't you just ignore Beck and O'Reilly?

1984

1986

lmao lfd is a butthurt little rightie

who would have thought he could have gotten any more lame

[quote=Left Face Down;17897225]Believe it or not, while Republican's love their 2nd amendment right to weapons they don't go around shooting people who they don't like.[/quote]

No they just go around blowing up abortion clinics.

TBH you're just repeating the bullshit GOP talking points that are so familiar on Faux News. Without proof to back it up everything you listed has no credibility. I also know for a fact that some of it is wrong. For example the new bill states that insurance companies cannot DENY, not DROP, DENY, children health insurance. That will also apply to adults in a few years.

If you choose not to have health insurance (what retard would) then you have to pay a tax, so of course the ****ing IRS is going to be in charge of it.

[quote]Obama will do anything, will say anything, if it gets him what he wants and he doesn't give a s[SIZE=2]h[/SIZE]it about the repercussions.[/quote]Actually you pretty much just described Bush. Obama has done a pretty damn good job so far considering the mess Bush dropped in his lap and having to deal with butthurt republicans obstructing progress every chance they get.

[quote=Left Face Down;17897225]MSNBC and even a few people on CNN are trying to make the Tea Party out as a bunch of racists white people with guns who are seconds away from trying to physically over-throw the government.[/quote]

Have you actually met any of those teabagger idiots? 'Cause I have, and they are the single most ignorant, uneducated, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, religiously brainwashed group of ****tard sheep I have ever laid eyes on.

Is it just me or does that part where he tries harmonizing in Black Dog make you cringe every time?

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;17897428]lmao lfd is a butthurt little rightie

who would have thought he could have gotten any more lame[/QUOTE]

Josh is always around to spread joy in my life, for that I am feel blessed.


tbh I'm liberal on some ideas, but not many. I could care less if gays want to get married, if druggies want to smoke up, and generally support the ideas of what the Democrats formally believed in before the progressives took over.


[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897601]No they just go around blowing up abortion clinics.[/QUOTE]

Source Plox


[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897601]
TBH you're just repeating the bullpoop GOP talking points that are so familiar on Faux News. Without proof to back it up everything you listed has no credibility. I also know for a fact that some of it is wrong. For example the new bill states that insurance companies cannot DENY, not DROP, DENY, children health insurance. That will also apply to adults in a few years.
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*sigh* That doesn't happen as soon as the bill went into law, like Obama said.

source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/health-care-protection-children_n_510868.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Huffingtonpost]
The Obama administration is scrambling to fix a potential problem with a much-touted benefit of its new health care law, a gap in coverage improvements for children in poor health, officials said Tuesday.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem...

However, if a child is accepted for coverage, or is already covered, the insurer cannot exclude payment for treating a particular illness, as sometimes happens now. For example, if a child has asthma, the insurance company cannot write a policy that excludes that condition from coverage. The new safeguard will be in place later this year.

In recent speeches, Obama has given the impression that the immediate benefit for kids is much more robust.
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[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897601]
If you choose not to have health insurance (what retard would) then you have to pay a tax, so of course the ****ing IRS is going to be in charge of it.[/QUOTE]

Well hell, it was a Dem that said it wasn't. O'Reilly was merely pointing out that this Dem which voted yes, had no idea what was in the bill at least to that extent.


[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897601]
Actually you pretty much just described Bush. Obama has done a pretty damn good job so far considering the mess Bush dropped in his lap and having to deal with butthurt republicans obstructing progress every chance they get.
[/QUOTE]

Obama talking about Hillary's health care like I said:

Source: [url]http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/30/obama-health-care-reform-opinions-columnists-public-option-medicare.html[/url]

Video: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnDxqboVxMY[/url]

[QUOTE=Forbes]
During the campaign, Obama insisted that he would not resort to an individual mandate to achieve universal coverage. In fact, he repeatedly ripped Hillary Clinton's plan for proposing one. "To force people to buy coverage," he insisted, "you've got to have a very harsh penalty." What will this penalty be, he demanded? "Are you going to garnish their wages?" he asked Hillary in one debate.

Yet now, Obama is behaving as if he said never a hostile word about the mandate. Earlier this month, in a letter to Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., he blithely declared that he was all for "making every American responsible for having health insurance coverage, and making employers share in the cost."
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The health care bill passed 219 - 212 in the House (source: [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/health-care-bill-house-passes-sweeping-reform-legislation/story?id=10162080[/url]) and if you look it up I believe 34 Dems and all of the Republicans voted against it. Very bi-partisan of the Dems. Of course there was so much party to party talk about this Health Care Bill I'm sure all the Republicans were just weren't available at the times the doors were closed in their face.

...and that sh[size=2]i[/size]t wasn't on C-Span like Obama said it would be:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Api4fUziAnI[/url]


Anything else you want me to google for you, or can you do it for yourself?

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;17897428]
Have you actually met any of those teabagger idiots? 'Cause I have, and they are the single most ignorant, uneducated, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, religiously brainwashed group of ****tard sheep I have ever laid eyes on.[/QUOTE]

...some of my friends are said "teabagger idiots". The movement isn't about being "ignorant, uneducated, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, religiously branwashed" or w/e it is about believing in the values of the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill of Rights, and that our current government doesn't get too big and full of it self like the one we decided to split ourselves from did.

So I don't hurt your feelings too bad, I also have friends which share your views as well.

lmao don't give me that values of the Constitution crap and that Bill of Rights stuff. There's been debate about the phrasing and wording of the Constitution down to [B]f[/B]ucking commas in the writing, don't tell me that suddenly people understand what the Constitution really means and they're protecting it. People are protecting their agenda and in the case of this Tea Party nonsense it's a movement that reeks of fear of change and progression in the hope that we can somehow return to an era in the 1950s that never really existed anyways. Also, if you think that we split from England because "the government got too big and full of it" you have a really poor understanding of history . And you want to talk about partisanship by the Democratic party? The Republican party isn't interested in working with the white house or the congress, this is apparent because every concession the democratic party made for the health care bill, the same people in the republican party kept saying it's not enough, we want this, and when they got it, it wasn't enough.

To know the motivation of the teabagger movement, one only has to look to who was screaming socialist, muslim, and terrorist at Republican rallies. Where was the outrage when Mitt Romney had a very similar health care plan implemented in Massachusetts? Where was the Republican outcry when George Bush passed a 700 billion dollar bailout in 2008? This teabagger crap is manufactured controversy.

ahhh why does the lod have so many words

The Fifth Element is a good movie. Discuss...

Lol your sources are the Huffington Post, Forbes, and a bullpoop Youtube video? You gonna have to do better than that. It's so obvious that Shikha Dalmia is a butthurt GOPer in that article it's not even funny.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller[/url]

Both Scott Roeder the man who killed Dr Tiller and Shelley Shannon the woman who shot him 5 times in '93 are members of the right-wing Christian terrorist group Army of God. That's just one example of attacks on abortion clinics by right-wing religious extremists.

Obama clearly said that people shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance, meaning that's the ONLY option, if it's not affordable. You can choose NOT to buy health insurance, I don't get how people aren't understanding that. If you choose not to have health insurance you have to pay a measly 2.5% yearly tax. That's it. If you don't pay the tax you go to jail, because it's ****ing tax evasion and the same thing would happen if you stopped paying your other taxes. And there are parts of the new bill that prevent health insurance companies from gouging us, so the insurance will be affordable.

The fact that 34 Democrats and ALL of the Republicans voted against the bill just proves that the GOP is just trying to **** up everything Obama does so they can say "See, you should've picked us, he did a terrible job", and the Democrats aren't just going along party lines.

For every 1 mildly sane person who is dumb enough to get swept up in the teabagger crap there's 1,000 ****ing lunatics. People like this

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8[/url]

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;17897647]Is it just me or does that part where he tries harmonizing in Black Dog make you cringe every time?[/QUOTE]

haha i never listened to it very closely but it sounds like he was wingin it all drunk!

and Zeke, ace sh[B]i[/B]t mang. i'd love to hear some vocals and see where else the song is headed

[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897835]
Both Scott Roeder the man who killed Dr Tiller and Shelley Shannon the woman who shot him 5 times in '93 are members of the right-wing Christian terrorist group Army of God. That's just one example of attacks on abortion clinics by right-wing religious extremists.
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So you bring up facts about people that have nothing to do with the Tea Party and start saying the Tea Party is just like them. That totally and completely does not follow.

[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897835]
Obama clearly said that people shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance, meaning that's the ONLY option, if it's not affordable. You can choose NOT to buy health insurance, I don't get how people aren't understanding that. If you choose not to have health insurance you have to pay a measly 2.5% yearly tax. That's it. If you don't pay the tax you go to jail, because it's ****ing tax evasion and the same thing would happen if you stopped paying your other taxes. And there are parts of the new bill that prevent health insurance companies from gouging us, so the insurance will be affordable.
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I don't see how people don't see this as bull s[size=2]h[/size]it. We have nothing like it in the History of America and you are surprised when people throw a fit? Really?

Oh yeah, and the 16th amendment:
[QUOTE=16th amendment]
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.[/QUOTE]

The word "census" can be defined as "A census is the procedure of systematically acquiring and recording information about the members of a given population." Tell me, do tell me, how the IRS checking if you have health insurance every month (or even year) and then taxing you if you don't, not [i]with[/i] regard to a census.



[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897835]
The fact that 34 Democrats and ALL of the Republicans voted against the bill just proves that the GOP is just trying to **** up everything Obama does so they can say "See, you should've picked us, he did a terrible job", and the Democrats aren't just going along party lines.
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You have red cool-aid to match your rose colored glasses?

[QUOTE=Modern Iconoclast;17897835]
For every 1 mildly sane person who is dumb enough to get swept up in the teabagger crap there's 1,000 ****ing lunatics. People like this


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8[/url][/QUOTE]

If you wont take videos as proof why should I?

[QUOTE=Left Face Down;17897888]

Tell me, do tell me, how the IRS checking if you have health insurance every month (or even year) and then taxing you if you don't, not [i]with[/i] regard to a census.
[/quote]

The same way they monitor to make sure that you've paid your income and property taxes, just on a more regular basis.

oh hey a video right up your alley [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI&feature=player_embedded[/url]

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;17897897]The same way they monitor to make sure that you've paid your income and property taxes, just on a more regular basis.
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Every one with income has to pay income taxes, every one with property has to pay property taxes. Though you don't have to have an income, and you don't have to have property. In other words, it is not done off a census. These are REQUIRED taxes IF you have something that you have a choice to have. Kind of like you, by law, have to have car insurance if you operate a vehicle. Which if you wanted to compare it too, car insurance is handled on the state level.


There is a big difference. We don't have to have insurance for our cars if we don't have a car. if you want to play completely legal. If you don't, you can very well drive a car around with out insurance until you get caught.


If you have a car, you have to have car insurance. If you are alive, you have to buy health care. See the difference? One is mandated and the other is not. You don't have to have a car, but you are kind of forced to live.


It is literally the same as if the Government said you must own a car from age 16 until you die or pay an extra tax.

[QUOTE=JoshIsNumber3;17897897]
oh hey a video right up your alley [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]

As I said before, not all my views are conservative Republican. :rolleyes: I think it is perfectly fine for a woman to have an abortion under the right circumstances i.e. rape.

[quote]
There is a big difference. We don't have to have insurance for our cars if we don't have a car. if you want to play completely legal. If you don't, you can very well drive a car around with out insurance until you get caught.[/quote]

And even if you don't drive or you don't even own a car, you still have to pay taxes that go to public works such as road repair and maintenance.

[quote]
If you have a car, you have to have car insurance. If you are alive, you have to buy health care. See the difference? One is mandated and the other is not. You don't have to have a car, but you are kind of forced to live.[/quote]

Also, you don't have to purchase health insurance, you just pay a small tax each year.




[quote]As I said before, not all my views are conservative Republican. :rolleyes: I think it is perfectly fine for a woman to have an abortion under the right circumstances i.e. rape.[/QUOTE]


So that makes them only barely moderate Republican.

As far as I am aware, voluntary abortion is only legal within the first trimester of development. During the embryonic period.

This is a stage where it is pretty much biologically identical to the placenta. And I've never heard any Pro Lifers trying to protect the life of the placenta.


I'd like to hear a Pro Lifers approach on how to deal with an unborn diagnosed with anencephaly.

Basically, in this country the prolife argument comes down to that life begins at some indefinable moment at conception and that if there are prenatal diseases or disorders, it's gods plan.

I think it's a firing of a common mamalian instict.
When we see a featus (like in an ultrasound) and can make out face, eyes, limbs, etc. We reckognise human-like characteristics and feel compassion for it.

It takes a greater level of understanding of embryonic development to understand that most mammal embryos look very similar. Most have faces, eyes, limbs, etc.
Up until the point where specific genes kick in and it starts developing in a way specific into its own species.

It takes a greater level of understanding to know that, up until that point, it is not human yet.

lol mx guitar forum.

Politics means a lot in the long run guys, keep worrying about it. you can totally make a difference.

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[QUOTE=Aes820;17896883]This guy Pwns
[url]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/1025127/interview-with-encyclopedia-dramatica-moderator[/url][/QUOTE]

Good interview, well thought out and reasonable responses. The stuff about Christ is crap, mind.

My god americans and their ****ing constitution

IT REALLY ISN'T THAT GREAT A DOCUMENT


COULD PROBABLY DO WITH A REWRITE

rewrite it

item 1

The people have a right to bear arms against an oppressive government, but only arms that will be in any way effective e.g. helicopter gunships, not wimpy handguns

The people must fund said gunships themselves if they want them

i want a gun

i reckon id be more manly with a gun

the police here don't even carry guns, and im pretty sure i got caught in a speed trap a few moments ago... crafty lil fellas, wasnt goin that fast though, i reckon lots worse, hopefully im alrite, i wudnt mind but it was less than a 1 minute drive i had to do down the road from where i live, ill be pissed if that happens


Edit: i think im ok, the undercover police car just sped by chasing someone with the sirens on


chasing a ford fiesta doesnt have the same jazz for them i guess