[QUOTE=Scoot]Anyone going to the Opeth/Nevermore tour?[/QUOTE]


Yep, I'm going to the one in Montreal....


Oh and your pop-punk won't even be even close to Opeth.... and thus in every way! Musically, lyrically, vocally, you name it and Opeth will ALWAYS be better then some lame *** pop-punk band for the simple fact that those pop bands are only axed on making the most money possible. If we take a look at Opeth, they're creating works of musical and lyrical art and they don't even care about the money. Dream Theaters ''A Change of Seasons'' is 24 minutes long and is some of the best musical compositions I've heard musically ever..... Now the BEST musical/lyrical composition ever will always be Black Rose Immortal IMO......

Now, if we move into the political badass underground punk, we now have aggressive yet intelligent lyrics about political issues.... although I still find that the ryffs often suck as it's just lame *** thrashing on every instrument...

[QUOTE=Dummer'n'Drummer]Yep, I'm going to the one in Montreal....


Oh and your pop-punk won't even be even close to Opeth.... and thus in every way! Musically, lyrically, vocally, you name it and Opeth will ALWAYS be better then some lame *** pop-punk band for the simple fact that those pop bands are only axed on making the most money possible. If we take a look at Opeth, they're creating works of musical and lyrical art and they don't even care about the money. [b]Dream Theaters ''A Change of Seasons'' is 24 minutes long and is some of the best musical compositions I've heard musically ever..... [/b]Now the BEST musical/lyrical composition ever will always be Black Rose Immortal IMO......

Now, if we move into the political badass underground punk, we now have aggressive yet intelligent lyrics about political issues.... although I still find that the ryffs often suck as it's just lame *** thrashing on every instrument...[/QUOTE]

Relevancy to topic ++ :lol:

Guy whinning about long songs not being hardcore enough or whatever....

[QUOTE=Dummer'n'Drummer]Guy whinning about long songs not being hardcore enough or whatever....[/QUOTE]

[quote=jude]Here's your early Christmas present. It's a sarcasm detector. Enjoy.[/quote]

;)

I still haven't seen the Grand Conjuration video....
I almost don't want to see it, I'm not going to like seeing the song cut up like that.

[QUOTE=Scruples]Who listens to a song for 10 minutes? It's so boring. I'll just stick to my 3 minute pop-punk songs that are so much more hardcore than a bunch of stupid metal guys who play the same thing for three times that long. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]


hahahahahahaha

you're funny :D

[QUOTE=Flynn]hahahahahahaha
you're funny :D[/QUOTE]

I tried.

[QUOTE=Scruples]I tried.[/QUOTE]

:p

I've always liked the fact of song's being lengthy. Especially songs that are so good, I just want them to keep going! Coincidentaly, Opeth's song length's are a huge reason why I started listening to them...that and the song titles on Orchid were too good [I]not[/I] to pass up. 10 minutes really isn't that long, 60 minutes is long! :lol:
[I]Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness[/I] by [B]Green Carnation[/B] is over an hour long...and every second is precious.

Fantomas' Delirium Cordia is 74 minutes long. And it's very strange.

I love long songs. I usually find it offensive when a song is short.

It started with Tool's Lateralus, and those 8+ minute songs. Then Pink Floyd, and Opeth. Opeth song lengths please me. GY!BE has some hideously long songs, too.

Good times.

I can only occasionaly listen to GY!BE, they tend to bore me if I listen to more than two songs.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]Fantomas' Delirium Cordia is 74 minutes long. And it's very strange.[/QUOTE]


Yeah that song is crazy.

Has anybody heard that song on the Road Runner all star cd with Mikeal?

[QUOTE=The Cynic]Has anybody heard that song on the Road Runner all star cd with Mikeal?[/QUOTE]


No. I don't own any albums from that label anymore. How does it sound?

[QUOTE=Flynn]No. I don't own any albums from that label anymore. How does it sound?[/QUOTE]
Did you throw out Ghost Reveries or something?

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Did you throw out Ghost Reveries or something?[/QUOTE]


No.

The Grand Conjuration video doesn't seem to tie in with whatever loose concept GR has. Seemed to be about some guy torturing a child molester while the molestee tries to live with it. Eh, they never make music videos right.

[QUOTE=Scoot]Anyone going to the Opeth/Nevermore tour?[/QUOTE]
Seeing them on November 2nd. :cool:

[QUOTE=Flynn]No.[/QUOTE]
So technically you do own a cd by that label.. :confused:

I don't want to start this again but...










I just listened to GR all the way through. It's so friggin' weak. What happend to my Opeth?





*awaits flames*

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]I don't want to start this again but...










I just listened to GR all the way through. It's so friggin' weak. What happend to my Opeth?





*awaits flames*[/QUOTE]
I stand behind you on this statement. :D :thumb:

[QUOTE=ATC]The Grand Conjuration video doesn't seem to tie in with whatever loose concept GR has. Seemed to be about some guy torturing a child molester while the molestee tries to live with it. Eh, they never make music videos right.[/QUOTE]


From what I understand, Opeth didn't have anything to do with the video. The lyrics on the album don't even make sense from one song to another, canceling out any hope for a ''concept'' LP. If you try really hard, yes, it [I]is[/I] a concept album. If you think the same word mentioned 2 times on an album is a ''concept'', sure, Ghost Reveries is.[B] Song titles in other songs don't count.[/B]

If they did make the video to [I]The Grand Conjuration[/I], I will be really disapointed. In my opinion: It sucks. Seriously, the video is worthless and I never want to watch it again. Like the rest of the songs on the album, it has nothing to do with anything. It's all random.







And for the record, Ghost Reveries is [COLOR=SandyBrown][B][I]NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM[/I][/B][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]I don't want to start this again but...


I just listened to GR all the way through. It's so friggin' weak. What happend to my Opeth?
*awaits flames*[/QUOTE]


*flames begin*

Ghost reveries is awsome. It's not as good as ****ation. But its better than blackwater park and their other stuff.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God] But its better than blackwater park and their other stuff.[/QUOTE]
I like to respect peoples opinions and stuff, but that was just plain stupid.

[QUOTE=.:~ Route 1 ~:.]I don't want to start this again but...


I just listened to GR all the way through. It's so friggin' weak. What happend to my Opeth?

*awaits flames*[/QUOTE]

To answer your question, Roadrunner.

[QUOTE=Flynn]From what I understand, Opeth didn't have anything to do with the video. The lyrics on the album don't even make sense from one song to another, canceling out any hope for a ''concept'' LP. If you try really hard, yes, it [I]is[/I] a concept album. If you think the same word mentioned 2 times on an album is a ''concept'', sure, Ghost Reveries is.[B] Song titles in other songs don't count.[/B]

If they did make the video to [I]The Grand Conjuration[/I], I will be really disapointed. In my opinion: It sucks. Seriously, the video is worthless and I never want to watch it again. Like the rest of the songs on the album, it has nothing to do with anything. It's all random.







And for the record, Ghost Reveries is [COLOR=SandyBrown][B][I]NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM[/I][/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

You're saying that like it's a bad thing....only MAYH and Still Life were concept albums though.

[QUOTE=Flynn]From what I understand, Opeth didn't have anything to do with the video. The lyrics on the album don't even make sense from one song to another, canceling out any hope for a ''concept'' LP. If you try really hard, yes, it [I]is[/I] a concept album. If you think the same word mentioned 2 times on an album is a ''concept'', sure, Ghost Reveries is.[B] Song titles in other songs don't count.[/B]

If they did make the video to [I]The Grand Conjuration[/I], I will be really disapointed. In my opinion: It sucks. Seriously, the video is worthless and I never want to watch it again. Like the rest of the songs on the album, it has nothing to do with anything. It's all random.

And for the record, Ghost Reveries is [COLOR=SandyBrown][B][I]NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM[/I][/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I know that. Wasn't it supposed to have been one but they couldn't fit it together? But the video has nothing to do with anything which kills it completely.

In either case, I'm just happy, despite its shortcomings, that it's getting airplay. Opeth's doing an in-store on Friday before their concert and for some reason, I'm not the only one I know who's heard about it. That a lot more people care now is, as far as I'm concerned, a good thing.

I have a feeling that they may attract the wrong kind of crowd now though, and those kids will be getting all the floor tickets, while were sitting in the nose bleeds..

[QUOTE=Jude]You're saying that like it's a bad thing....only MAYH and Still Life were concept albums though.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing negative about Ghost Reveries not being a concept album. I'm clearing confusion to others on this thread.
[I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is their only real ''concept'' album to me. Still Life is weak in that category compared to it. When you look at the booklets, you see the songs on Still Life are seperate, while the booklet on [I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is one entire story. Still Life, to me, is brief concept. The songs venture out of the certain area of a concept. It's a decent ''story'', but all in all, [I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is Opeth's only true concept album.

[QUOTE=Flynn]There's nothing negative about Ghost Reveries not being a concept album. I'm clearing confusion to others on this thread.
[I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is their only real ''concept'' album to me. Still Life is weak in that category compared to it. When you look at the booklets, you see the songs on Still Life are seperate, while the booklet on [I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is one entire story. Still Life, to me, is brief concept. The songs venture out of the certain area of a concept. It's a decent ''story'', but all in all, [I]My Arms, Your Hearse[/I] is Opeth's only true concept album.[/QUOTE]
Now this I disagree with, Still Life is a concept album, and a darn good one at that. So what if the booklet has the songs all seperate? This is good for Still Life, since each song is like a different chapter and tells a different part of the story. Its telling the same story, but its not like its one song. And you seemed to take a stab at Ghost Reveries for having some of the same words in songs, then you go defending My Arms, Your Hearse as a concept album... look at the lyrics that cd. Also, if you would have read someones thoughts about what the story behind GR could meen, I think you may feel differently about its concept, specially since you're the one who said that Blackwater Park had a concept.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Now this I disagree with, Still Life is a concept album, and a darn good one at that. So what if the booklet has the songs all seperate? This is good for Still Life, since each song is like a different chapter and tells a different part of the story. Its telling the same story, but its not like its one song. And you seemed to take a stab at Ghost Reveries for having some of the same words in songs, then you go defending My Arms, Your Hearse as a concept album... look at the lyrics that cd. Also, if you would have read someones thoughts about what the story behind GR could meen, I think you may feel differently about its concept, specially since you're the one who said that Blackwater Park had a concept.[/QUOTE]


haha my Government spoof? Dude, it was a [I]joke[/I]. Still Life is a concept album, I said it was [B][I]WEAK[/I][/B] compared to [I]My Arms, Your Hearse.[/I] And if you seriously think that Ghost Reveries is one too, :angry:
The lyrics on that album don't even make sense.


[B]Reverie/Harlequin Forest:[/B]

Into the trees
Past meadow grounds
And further away from my home
[U]Baying behind me
I hear the hounds[/U]
Flock's chasing to find me alone

A trail of sickness
Leading to me
If I am haunted
Then you will see

Searching the darkness
And emptiness
I'm hiding away from the sun
Will never rest
Will never be at ease
All my matter's expired so I run

There falls another
Vapor hands released the blade
Insane regrets at the drop
Instruments of death before me

Lose all to save a little
At your peril it's justified
And dismiss your demons
As death becomes a jest
You are the laughing stock
Of the absinthe minded
Confessions stuck in your mouth
And long gone fevers reappear

Nocturnally helpless
And weak in the light
Depending on a prayer
Pacing deserted roads to find
A seed of hope

They are the trees
Rotten pulp inside and never well
Roots sucking, thieving from my source
Tired boughs reaching for the light

It is all false pretension
Harlequin forest
Awaiting redemption for a lifetime
As they die alone
With no one by their side
Are they forgiven?

Stark determination
Poisoning the soul
Unfettered beast inside
Claiming sovereign control

And now the woods are burning
Tearing life crops asunder
Useless blackened remains
Still pyre smoldering

Yeah, that makes sense...oh wait, the underlined segment signifies it IS a concept album! By god, it's a title to another song on Ghost Reveries!

Read the lyrics to [I]Atonement[/I] before this song, that makes even more sense...

Ghost Reveries Is [I]Not[/I] A Concept Album!

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I have a feeling that they may attract the wrong kind of crowd now though, and those kids will be getting all the floor tickets, while were sitting in the nose bleeds..[/QUOTE]

I kinda have that feeling too. Hard to deny. I was talking to a friend about Opeth and he mentioned how they were all popular all over the internet. It kinda bothers me now because I don't want them selling out. As long as their music is good, that's all I care about. I definitely don't want to see Opeth being a major trend.

It'll definitely be a better trend than all the 'core.
I want the bands I like to be successful cos I think they're good enough to deserve it and not because they identify me and make me feel special for being the only one that knows them. Though I am a little worried now that there might be kids trying to fight invisible ninjas at their concerts.

[QUOTE=Mikael Åkerfeldt]I had intended to do a occult concept piece lyrically and got off to a great start with some downright evil lyrics like "The baying of the hounds" and "Ghost of perdition", then I did "Isolation years" which had nothing to do with the intended concept but I liked it so much I decided to ease up on the concept idea in favour of this one lyric. Why I decided on a occult theme? Well, I've always been intrigued by it, especially Satanism and stuff like that. I studied some books that oddly enough my wife had in her collection like "Servants of Satan" as well as "Witchcraft and Sorcery" + some more.[/QUOTE]

Ghost Reveries is a concept album except for Isolation Years.

For the record IMO ****ation is the best Opeth album. MAYH is second. They are all great though. Blackwater park is high up there.

Yeah, lets just hope hot topic doesn't find out about Opeth. Then we'd have scene kids showing up at their concerts, "to be cool". They would bring hardcore dancing. ughh. I shudder at the very thought.

[QUOTE=Flynn]To answer your question, Roadrunner.[/QUOTE]

You've been hammering away at Roadrunner like a typical tr00 fanboy that can't take the shift from indie status to major label status. Do you know anything about the making of the album? Do you know for a fact that Roadrunner was pressuring them to do stuff? I can't even understand what makes you think Roadrunner has anything to do with the "weakness" of the album. I detect absolutely no change in the general sound of the album from their previous works. There's plenty of growling, plenty of metal, plenty of acoustic. Your criticisms of the album seem primarily directed at the limper riffs, and the limper compositional tightness. Aside from the fact that I disagree completely with that assessment, even if it were truth then it's Mikael's fault, since he did all the writing. I don't exactly detect many strains of pop in the album. I don't hear anything that sounds like nu-metal or American Wave. There are so few differences in the general sound from BWP and Deliverance that any "weakness" you percieve would HAVE to be on a compositional level. Therefore, Mikael is the one you should be harping on about, not the label.

You were down on the move to RR from the start, and the reasons you cited were fear of label pressure to become more mainstream. I'm forced to conclude that that idea has just stuck fast in your brain, and you're simply making a negative association between "major label=sellout and crap music." Therefore, you are for some reason imagining that Roadrunner pressured Opeth into being crappy. Well I see absolutely no evidence of label pressure, since Opeth's sound hasn't changed one bit into a more mainstream direction. IT'S EXACTLY THE [size=2]FUC[/size]KING SAME. And it's not like the label would WANT Opeth to be crappy: they want their fans to buy the album and enjoy it. As I said, it's a writing problem, and so it's Mikael's problem, not the label's.

Ugh, I HATE it when people act so dumb about bands moving to major labels. Give me one bit of aural evidence from that album that screams "label pressure" and I'll friggin' rep you.

EDIT: BTW, an interesting fact: many of the songs on this album were written in open tunings. For instance, "The Grand Conjuration" and "Ghost of Perdition" were written in DADFAD tuning. "Reverie/Harlequine Forest" was in DADFAE.

[QUOTE=Cain]You've been hammering away at Roadrunner like a typical tr00 fanboy that can't take the shift from indie status to major label status. Do you know anything about the making of the album? Do you know for a fact that Roadrunner was pressuring them to do stuff? I can't even understand what makes you think Roadrunner has anything to do with the "weakness" of the album. I detect absolutely no change in the general sound of the album from their previous works. There's plenty of growling, plenty of metal, plenty of acoustic. Your criticisms of the album seem primarily directed at the limper riffs, and the limper compositional tightness. Aside from the fact that I disagree completely with that assessment, even if it were truth then it's Mikael's fault, since he did all the writing. I don't exactly detect many strains of pop in the album. I don't hear anything that sounds like nu-metal or American Wave. There are so few differences in the general sound from BWP and Deliverance that any "weakness" you percieve would HAVE to be on a compositional level. Therefore, Mikael is the one you should be harping on about, not the label.

You were down on the move to RR from the start, and the reasons you cited were fear of label pressure to become more mainstream. I'm forced to conclude that that idea has just stuck fast in your brain, and you're simply making a negative association between "major label=sellout and crap music." Therefore, you are for some reason imagining that Roadrunner pressured Opeth into being crappy. Well I see absolutely no evidence of label pressure, since Opeth's sound hasn't changed one bit into a more mainstream direction. IT'S EXACTLY THE [size=2]FUC[/size]KING SAME. And it's not like the label would WANT Opeth to be crappy: they want their fans to buy the album and enjoy it. As I said, it's a writing problem, and so it's Mikael's problem, not the label's.

Ugh, I HATE it when people act so dumb about bands moving to major labels. Give me one bit of aural evidence from that album that screams "label pressure" and I'll friggin' rep you.

EDIT: BTW, an interesting fact: many of the songs on this album were written in open tunings. For instance, "The Grand Conjuration" and "Ghost of Perdition" were written in DADFAD tuning. "Reverie/Harlequine Forest" was in DADFAE.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for that post, I've gotten tired of posting in here because out of nowhere nearly all of the intellegence left. Not sure if your saying [i]Ghost Reveries[/i] is a bad album [where I strongly dissagree, I think it's brilliant], but your explaining that they aren't sell-outs at least.

I am by no means saying that Ghost Reveries is a bad album. In fact, I think it's far superior to Deliverance.

[QUOTE=Cain]I am by no means saying that Ghost Reveries is a bad album. In fact, I think it's far superior to Deliverance.[/QUOTE]

I kinda don't compare Opeth albums to Deliverance because it was set out to be intentionaly heavy! Most songs on there are at least abit more heavy than standard Opeth songs.

Btw, I think Ghost Reveries is an amazing album. It is my opinion that they focussed mainly on the tightness of the songs compared to the long, streched out riff sections previous albums contained.

Yes, it does sometimes seem abit muddled (see intro to Beneath The Mire) but I believe that the keyboards will play a much better role in future albums. More atmosphere. I also don't believe the record lable had anything to do with the quality of the album. I in fact think it seems to have better production value compared to the DIY standards of previous albums.

Opeth are indeed changing. They always have. But I still believe they have a bright future ahead of them

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]*flames begin*

Ghost reveries is awsome. It's not as good as ****ation. But its better than blackwater park and their other stuff.[/QUOTE]

HAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Seriously, don't post here anymore.

[QUOTE=Cain]I am by no means saying that Ghost Reveries is a bad album. In fact, I think it's far superior to Deliverance.[/QUOTE]
*Sigh*

I give up.