[QUOTE=Stoic;15143457]Probalby because they're responsible for gothenburg?[/QUOTE]

and american melodic metalcore

although thats kind of a reason to hate them

I doubt they knew the impact of their music back then :p

I don't think many people actually realise that Gothenburg is actually a place as well as a sub-genre. Well, I know Orestes does.

I knew. It's kind of hard not to when most of the bands considered "Gothenburg" are from Gothenburg, Sweden.

[QUOTE=Riva;15144868]I don't think many people actually realise that Gothenburg is actually a place as well as a sub-genre. Well, I know Orestes does.[/QUOTE]

Its not that hard of a concept.

Although, I didnt that bands like In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, and Arch Enemy(the main bands talked about when Gothenburg is brought up) were even really from there.

I hate Mastodon.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;15144965]I hate Mastodon.[/QUOTE]

Well good thing we aren't talking about them huh?

Well, people were earlier. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

Slaughter of the Soul is so bleh with me, suicide nation is ok, in fact ill say its good.

Theres a few riffs here and there that are good but otherwise its just plain crap.

You know youve written a bad album when the best track is a cover that is only released on later versions.

[QUOTE=Squirrel;15145050]Slaughter of the Soul is so bleh with me, suicide nation is ok, in fact ill say its good.

Theres a few riffs here and there that are good but otherwise its just plain crap.

You know youve written a bad album when the best track is a cover that is only released on later versions.[/QUOTE]

Captor of Sin isnt it?

thats one of them

but i was thinking legion by slaughterlord

Oooh ok.

NP: Martyr

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[QUOTE=masscows;15143079]yeah this is definitely going to piss dargon off to no end.

keep going.[/QUOTE]

:p:p:p:p

I like Slaughter of the Soul but not in a very serious way, if you follow. It has may good riffs littered throughout so it keeps my interest even if it isn't the most varied or unique idea out there.

[QUOTE=Shadows;15146731]I like Slaughter of the Soul but not in a very serious way, if you follow. It has may good riffs littered throughout so it keeps my interest even if it isn't the most varied or unique idea out there.[/QUOTE]

pretty much the same for me.

Slaughter of the Soul is ace. It's a point blank shot to the head. No frills, no frippery. At The Gates were consistently ace for over 10 years. From Gardens of Grief onwards. Blaming them for metalcore bollocks is like blaming Sabbath for Devildriver. Or Master for Six Feet Under.

Dargon: Hotmail is blocked at work so me replying depends on me having free time outside of work which is not something I have a lot of.

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;15142682]I kinda like Formulas Fatal To The Flesh.
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Me too. Not quite sure what happened to Tucker's voice afterwards. He went from having one of the most brutal voices in DM to sounding like a weaker David Vincent. Bizarre. Anyway Formulas is what happens when a death metal band lets the drugs take over! Total mindfcuk!

[QUOTE=masterchaos;15144954]

Although, I didnt that bands like In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, and Arch Enemy(the main bands talked about when Gothenburg is brought up) were even really from there.[/QUOTE]

The big four of melodic death metal were In Flames, ATG, Dark Tranquility and Dissection. All were from Gothenburg. As were numerous others (Eucharist, Sacrilege, Crown of Thorns etc etc etc etc). There was a massive scene there in 95-98. Although everyone who liked the music was actually in one of the bands. Adrian Erlandsson told me that if ATG, IF, DT and Dissection played together in Gothenburg they'd get maybe 100 people - can you imagine how many more would have turned up in Germany!

so anybody seen the entombed dvd?

I'm thinking about buying it.

dissection weren't from gothenburg

You're 100% correct! They were from Stromstad. A small town of 5000 people close to a larger city whose name escapes me... oh yes that's it... Gothenburg.

[QUOTE=Jondur;15146784]Slaughter of the Soul is ace. It's a point blank shot to the head. No frills, no frippery. At The Gates were consistently ace for over 10 years. From Gardens of Grief onwards. Blaming them for metalcore bollocks is like blaming Sabbath for Devildriver. Or Master for Six Feet Under.

Dargon: Hotmail is blocked at work so me replying depends on me having free time outside of work which is not something I have a lot of.[/QUOTE]

well said man, although im not the biggest ATG fan. and i forget which devildriver video it is (nevermind its Hold back the day) where they copy a sabbath vid. those guys pretty much blow, same with SFU.

i dont know why we're on this melodeath conversation but i have to say IMHO, In Flames is pretty overrated.

[QUOTE=Jondur;15147257]You're 100% correct! They were from Stromstad. A small town of 5000 people close to a larger city whose name escapes me... oh yes that's it... Gothenburg.[/QUOTE]

The Somberlain had the Gothenburg sound 2-3 years before anyone else had even really hinted at it. It was mixed with some black metal, so it's usually not looked at the same way, but yeah, I think it was more important than slaughter of the soul or the jester race for melodic death.

Pretty sure Jondur knows what was important because he was actually around when all this **** went down.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15149368]Pretty sure Jondur knows what was important because he was actually around when all this **** went down.[/QUOTE]

he never said one was more important than another, im just stating an observation. In Flames and ATG seemed to borrow the same "flow" that Dissection used in their harmonies.

Slaughter of the Soul wasn't ATG's first album though. It was their most "refined" I suppose.

And what about Heartwork? I'm not distinguishing between "Gothenburg" and Melodeath because I don't care, but Heartwork came out in 1993 same as Somberlain

hmm good point. I havent given heartwork a fair listen in a while, so idk, you could be right.

"Into Eternity" came out in 1993 as well, and it's got a lot of melodic junk on it. Eucharist's "A Velvet Creation" came out in 93 as well.

Basically there was far too much going on to bother bitching about who influenced what more.

both of those albums rule