[QUOTE=Herbert_da_fish]Well it's a contraceptive and a blessing to us girls. The one I know about means that girl can take it for up two months, then has to come off for her period. May cause side effects like tiredness, weight gain etc but I've never seen extreme cases. Obviously it prevents pregnancy, and even if the girl has forgotten to take it for one day, it should not pose a threat. And of course it doesn't protect against STDs.[/QUOTE]

thank you


kimmie i just wana know about how it works, reliability, how often its taken, cost and most importantly the bad side effects it has on a gal.

Usually it's like 21 pills (Emily or anyone else here of the female persuasion - correct me if I'm wrong...it's been awhile). The girl takes 21 pills and then stops (or takes a pill that's NOT b/c) for 7 days so she can have her period.

It's something on the order of 99.9% reliable, if taken properly, but like Emily said, it's not meant to protect against STDs.

The side effects that I had when I took it were: I felt slightly nauseous all the time, but that was normal then because your body thinks it's pregnant. I noticed my hair under my belly button and on my legs got darker (my body hair is blonde). I didn't gain any weight but I was stick-thin, and it was hard to gain weight.

The cost wasn't that expensive.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]If an orgasm hurts then there's something very wrong, physically.[/QUOTE]

There's no such condition.

ew that hair thing isnt nice, but that dosent matter. but like is there any long term effects that are actually damaging to the girl?

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]Usually it's like 21 pills (Emily or anyone else here of the female persuasion - correct me if I'm wrong...it's been awhile). The girl takes 21 pills and then stops (or takes a pill that's NOT b/c) for 7 days so she can have her period.

It's something on the order of 99.9% reliable, if taken properly, but like Emily said, it's not meant to protect against STDs.

The side effects that I had when I took it were: I felt slightly nauseous all the time, but that was normal then because your body thinks it's pregnant. I noticed my hair under my belly button and on my legs got darker (my body hair is blonde). I didn't gain any weight but I was stick-thin, and it was hard to gain weight.

The cost wasn't that expensive.[/QUOTE]

My ex definitely didn't grow any new hair that she wasn't already shaving. She did gain a little weight, but she didn't go obese or anything. She did always always feel nauseous especially if we had had sex the night before or what not. But... considering we only got about 4 hours of sleep when we stayed together it was probably that combined with the pills.

[QUOTE=Chrysostom]There's no such condition.[/QUOTE]

Yes, there can be. Orgasms can be felt in a girl's ovaries. When a girl has pollups (cysts) on her ovaries it will hurt.

I still say just bring it home for the win regardless of what she says. She might be scared at first, but once all that energy is released she'll feel a lot better.

Unless, like Kimmie is saying, she has cysts or something, in which case she'll cry a lot and cut your pe[size=2]nis[/size] off or whatever it is women are doing nowadays.

We don't bother with the knife Jared.

Teeth ftw.

[QUOTE][her] i think i need a boyfriend
[me] nah, they're useless. =]
[her] and still...
[her] i want one
[me] it shouldn't be very hard for you. i'm sure nearly any guy would snatch you up in a second, given the opportunity. =x
[her] nah
[me] why not?
[her] i dont know
[her] i dont want just any guy....i want a good guy[/QUOTE]
Was this girl hinting at something, just judging off this one IM snippet? She gives me mixed signals all the time.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Was this girl hinting at something, just judging off this one IM snippet? She gives me mixed signals all the time.[/QUOTE]

ask if she wants to grab dinner and a movie

edit: haha yes I know I wish it was as easy as it sounds, especially after you've known a girl a while

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]WHAT????[/QUOTE]

That's what I said. It's all my fault. It has to be. I have no idea why though, but she was found in her bathroom covered in blood, knife in hand. It's making me sick...she's not the type...

Her funeral is next weekend. I don't know what is the right thing to do. I love her still, but now I know I will never be with her...

[QUOTE=AmericanWeiner]ask if she wants to grab dinner and a movie

edit: haha yes I know I wish it was as easy as it sounds, especially after you've known a girl a while[/QUOTE]
I have no problem asking her out, I just didn't know if this was her giving me an opening or just a normal convo.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]I have no problem asking her out, I just didn't know if this was her giving me an opening or just a normal convo.[/QUOTE]

*shrug* How many girls will turn down an actual date with a decent guy?

[QUOTE=AmericanWeiner]*shrug* How many girls will turn down an actual date with a decent guy?[/QUOTE]
I normally like to meet girls before I ask them on a date. I haven't met this girl, ever. Every time I've asked to "hang out", she's avoided the question. Then she'll chat away like we're bets of pals. Like I said, mixed signals.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]I normally like to meet girls before I ask them on a date. I haven't met this girl, ever. Every time I've asked to "hang out", she's avoided the question. Then she'll chat away like we're bets of pals. Like I said, mixed signals.[/QUOTE]

Oh. Well that's completely different. Play it cool till you meet her. :)

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]I normally like to meet girls before I ask them on a date. I haven't met this girl, ever. Every time I've asked to "hang out", she's avoided the question. Then she'll chat away like we're bets of pals. Like I said, mixed signals.[/QUOTE]
you're for her ego and validation


judging by this and the convo you posted anyway

[QUOTE=Strongbad]That's what I said. It's all my fault. It has to be.[/quote]

No, she was just not stable enough to see through a temporary problem. She succumbed to suicide in a moment of weakness instead of sticking it out like a healthy, stable individual.

That's not your fault, and don't even try to project it onto yourself if you have a brain in your skull.

Do you think it'd be wrong to love another person again? I mean, I've basically poured all my feelings for her onto her.

[QUOTE=Strongbad]Do you think it'd be wrong to love another person again? I mean, I've basically poured all my feelings for her onto her.[/QUOTE]

Is it wrong? I don't think so, no.

If you're a religious type, one of the Commandments is, 'Thou shalt not commit adultery.' And I'm sure the Bible is anti-necrophilia, hm?

Sorry, sorry. Bad taste.

My answer is nevertheless "I don't think so, no." You can make new memories and love again, while still remembering the impact Elyse had on your life.

I mean, people divorce and re-marry and turn into a 'happily ever after' thing because the first guy/girl wasn't the right one, and it took 'em another try or two to figure it all out.

I'm just saying, yeah, pretty tough situation, but you will recover and love again. And I'm not saying that you should just eliminate all traces of Elyse from your memory, but it would not be very healthy for you to continue to dwell on something that was out of your control. Because it was - and that's not your fault, because you aren't a control freak who dictated how she lived her life or made the choices she did.

Well it definently explains why her parents didn't let me talk to her. I found out that Elyse told them to make sure I didn't contact her. She probably didn't want me to find out, but of course I did...

As bad as I feel, I actualy lol'd at the anti-necrophilia bit. All I'm saying is I feel like it'll be wrong to not love her and move on just because she's dead. That's like saying "Well, she croaked, that didn't work out to well...NEXT", you see what I'm saying? I think I just need to do some things to get it off my mind, I will always love her though.

[QUOTE=Strongbad]Well it definently explains why her parents didn't let me talk to her. I found out that Elyse told them to make sure I didn't contact her. She probably didn't want me to find out, but of course I did...

As bad as I feel, I actualy lol'd at the anti-necrophilia bit. All I'm saying is I feel like it'll be wrong to not love her and move on just because she's dead. That's like saying "Well, she croaked, that didn't work out to well...NEXT", you see what I'm saying? I think I just need to do some things to get it off my mind, I will always love her though.[/QUOTE]At 15, you definitely have time to love again. I feel very bad for you. I have never had a friend die, but I can imagine how you feel. Just give it a few months. You will feel better in a couple weeks.

I hope so man, this has been the toughest thing I've ever had to deal with.

Thanks everyone for your kind words. :)

Well, I was going out with someone for a month and a half and then all of a sudden she says "I think we need a break." This really confused me because five minutes ago she was saying she loved me. On the break we can't see other people, its just for some time apart. Now we've been on the break for 3 weeks or longer. I went to the movies with her and her sisters about a week ago and she didn't even want to sit next to me on a bench outside. Later on she said "I just want us to be friends and it not be weird." That confused me even more because I didn't know if she meant while we're on the break or forever.

All my guy friends tell me to just dump her and find someone else. It's not that easy though. She's the only girl I've ever really cared about and they don't understand it. They just say "Mike you can get girls way hotter than her any day of the week." I just don't want anyone else right now though. She's the one girl I've actually really care for. She's not just some chick.

Can someone please help me to figure out what to do?

I'm sorry for this post being a little long but I need help.

[QUOTE=mdc017]Well, I was going out with someone for a month and a half and then all of a sudden she says "I think we need a break." This really confused me because five minutes ago she was saying she loved me. On the break we can't see other people, its just for some time apart. Now we've been on the break for 3 weeks or longer. I went to the movies with her and her sisters about a week ago and she didn't even want to sit next to me on a bench outside. Later on she said "I just want us to be friends and it not be weird." That confused me even more because I didn't know if she meant while we're on the break or forever.

All my guy friends tell me to just dump her and find someone else. It's not that easy though. She's the only girl I've ever really cared about and they don't understand it. They just say "Mike you can get girls way hotter than her any day of the week." I just don't want anyone else right now though. She's the one girl I've actually really care for. She's not just some chick.

Can someone please help me to figure out what to do?

I'm sorry for this post being a little long but I need help.[/QUOTE]


Its not even about hotter girls. This girl obviously has problems. Be it commitment problems or what, I don't know. But a girlfriend, at this point least, isn't susposed to be difficult and confusing. If you aren't having fun, move on. Just understand that girls come and go.

edit: btw dump her.

This probably means she doesn't like you anymore and doesn't want to date you. She is just trying to let you off easy. You need to forget about her.

[QUOTE=zerosk8er1988]This probably means she doesn't like you anymore and doesn't want to date you. She is just trying to let you off easy. You need to forget about her.[/QUOTE]

She said she still loves me but she needs space. The first week or so of the break we kept going off of the break and breaking the rules by doing stuff that we normally do. I really love this girl, no matter how young I may be. This just hurts so bad. I love her more than anything.

I still need help. How do I make this pain go away. If she wants to break up with me she should just do it. This hurts so much more. It makes me think that I'm gonna get back togther with her. I really hope I do. She's going to Galveston for a week and the we're supposed to do something.

How do I make the pain go away?

[QUOTE=AmericanWeiner]Oh. Well that's completely different. Play it cool till you meet her. :)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I've been doing for awhile, but she dodges my attempts to "hang out" with her. Maybe she is wanting to to ask her on an actual date? She kept hinting at it, and talking about how she was lonely and wanted someone, then pretty much described what she knows about me when I asked her who she was looking for.

blehhh, I'd be able to ask her out no problem, but I don't know where we'd go. Movies are so cliche, but it's really the only thing around here, besides a bowling alley infested with old people.

This isn't really for advice or anything, but I've been silently(ish) monitoring the L&R thread for quite some time, but never bitched about my own problems, so now, my bitching shall commence for the first time.

2 years ago i fell, straight fell, for this girl named Karon(pronounced like karen.) Anyway, we were going out and all this stuff and I soon came to the conclusion that I loved her. Really, loved. Not like some bull**** OMG I LUVVVV HER SO MUCH !!!111! !! but like a real, love. The same was coming from her and it was really awesome until one day she said to me, "I might be moving." Now I am a very realistic person so I immedietly thought to myself, well, she's gone. So low and behold, she moves away. Gone forever,or so I thought, to Plano, Texas.(Right outside Dallas.) Now I live in Tucson, Arizona, which is a grand total of 972.5 miles away from her house. Yea. So for a while we were doin that whole long distance thing, with her coming back intermittenly,and reassuring me that she would be back soon enough, and all this would be one bad memory, but atleast a thing of the past. Well, time went on, and on, and on and on and on. As I'm starting to come to the realization that she aint never comin back, and me not sure if I can really feel the love that I did anymore, because a persons true personality is hard to fully grasp and feel over the phone,her friend, Amy, accosts me over the internet. She starts talking to me and bla bla bla. I've never met her before, and spoken to her once or twice on the phone,and over the internet, so I'm really not that interested in talking to her.Well eventually she starts getting around to talking to me about my feelings for Karon, the one I love, and I start telling her that I'm not really sure whether or not I still like her, because after 4 or 5 months, a forced submission of your feelings starts to take place. She finally offers to break up with her for me, and after much deliberation I tell her to do it, but to tell her that I was really,really really, sorry. That point I could not stress enough. So, with tears in my eyes, I start thinking of what I've done, and later and later it dawns on me that I've made a huge mistake. So I call her one day, and tell her that I still love her and she says the same, and I do this a few more times over the months. Well I'm talking to her on the phone one night, and she tells me that a week after I broke up with her, she was asked if she wanted to move back here. She said no because we weren't going out anymore, and she saw no point in coming back. I did not sleep a wink that night. The next weeks and till this day I think about how differnt my life would be if I had waited a god damn week,or never let her friend talk me into breaking us up. Anyway, so I've gone to Dallas a few times to see her, and the first time was when we were still together. Well I went the 19th of last month, only for the weekend, and it just didn't feel the same. Not the same, but I know that I still love her, because I can feel it right now as I type this, and probably as you read, for it takes alot to get my mind off her, or atleast the feeling. But one day she told me that she doesn't really love me anymore, and that I seemed like I was over her, so she got over me, when truley, I have never been so UN-over anything in my entire life. But at other times, when she talks to me, she says that she still loves me, and she'll put things on her away message on AIM, or in her profile or myspace, hinting that she still does love me. However, she rarley talks to me anymore. She constantly has her away message up on AIM, even though she's there because she sends messages through it, and I know it for a fact. Also, she never answers her phone for me. Ever. Quite frankly it's a sad state of affairs, but I think she's coming here for a couple weeks this summer, during which time I plan to win her back.However, I know that I missed my oppourtunity for her moving back, and I don't know what's going to happen, as in I don't know if it's even possible for us to have anything again, since I made a stupid mistake a year and a half ago, and didn't listen to my heart.We were always saying that we were gonna get married, and were dead serious, but now I don't know if we can ever have anything again because of what I did. That, and she thinks I cheated on her because her god damn friend that lived here, Gillian, told her that she thought I was messin around with this chick that was all up on me, even though said chick annoyed me to no end. Anyway, if you read this, thank I guess, but I kinda just wanted to bitch and see if anyone thinks anything is possible, or just their view points on this. O and for all you guys that plan on telling me to try to get over her by doing this and that and the other thing, save it, because I've already been out with other chicks and all that crap, and quite frankly im not sure if I want to get over her. So please, I don't want to read a generic response that I've read a million times in regards to other people's problems in this thread.

damn **** man thing about paragrpahs

You let a friend break up with the girl you love for you?

Give me a break, man.

Here's an honest non-generic response.

I'm sorry for ya man. I hate when I **** up like that. Never had that true love thing go down for me, but I can sorta imagine.

[QUOTE=mdc017]She said she still loves me but she needs space.[/QUOTE]I have had the same thing happen to me. Don't believe her. She will eventually break it off.

Ok here's my problem. I'm a bisexual. It's true I swing both ways. And here is were the problem is with that. That's this guy I know who I thought was bi aswell. Well it turns he's not and now I'm really heartbroken. I denied a perfectly good girl because I thought this guy was a bi. I spilled my heart out to him and he was just like "That's cool man but I don't swing that way. Maybe we shouldn't talk for a little while it's kinda wierd." And for months now he's been leading me to think he was a bi. This has been a really hard time in my life and I really needed to get this off of my chest. If you guys choose not to read this that's cool I just needed to get it out.

make like my mate:

split up, go find other girls, then **** her when shes in town

[QUOTE=zerosk8er1988]I have had the same thing happen to me. Don't believe her. She will eventually break it off.[/QUOTE]

Yeah maybe. But I still have hope. I really love her and I know she loved me.

Here's the latest message she sent me.
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Michael a lot is going on right now that you do not understand , nor need to be involved in, so i'm sorry if i'm taking it out on you, but that's just the way thigns are going. there's just too much to handle and i'm sorry.
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I'm not sure if we're broken up or if we're still on a break. I mean she hasn't said we're over.

[QUOTE=burning star IV]Ok here's my problem. I'm a bisexual. It's true I swing both ways. And here is were the problem is with that. That's this guy I know who I thought was bi aswell. Well it turns he's not and now I'm really heartbroken. I denied a perfectly good girl because I thought this guy was a bi. I spilled my heart out to him and he was just like "That's cool man but I don't swing that way. Maybe we shouldn't talk for a little while it's kinda wierd." And for months now he's been leading me to think he was a bi. This has been a really hard time in my life and I really needed to get this off of my chest. If you guys choose not to read this that's cool I just needed to get it out.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude. How exactly did he lead you on to think hes bi?

[QUOTE=zerosk8er1988]Sorry dude. How exactly did he lead you on to think hes bi?[/QUOTE]


They way he'd talk and his body language.

[QUOTE]Yeah maybe. But I still have hope. I really love her and I know she loved me.

Here's the latest message she sent me.
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Michael a lot is going on right now that you do not understand , nor need to be involved in, so i'm sorry if i'm taking it out on you, but that's just the way thigns are going. there's just too much to handle and i'm sorry.
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I'm not sure if we're broken up or if we're still on a break. I mean she hasn't said we're over.[/QUOTE]

dude, that last sentence said it all as far as I'm seeing - you know it's over really, but you're clinging on. I was there a while back - it does hurt, and it'll take a long time to get over, but you just have to bite the bullet and get on with it - believe it or not, if she sees you're strong enough to cope on your own, you'll stand a far better chance than you will if you cling to her ankles begging her to stay.

[QUOTE=burning star IV]Ok here's my problem. I'm a bisexual. It's true I swing both ways. And here is were the problem is with that. That's this guy I know who I thought was bi aswell. Well it turns he's not and now I'm really heartbroken. I denied a perfectly good girl because I thought this guy was a bi. I spilled my heart out to him and he was just like "That's cool man but I don't swing that way. Maybe we shouldn't talk for a little while it's kinda wierd." And for months now he's been leading me to think he was a bi. This has been a really hard time in my life and I really needed to get this off of my chest. If you guys choose not to read this that's cool I just needed to get it out.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, that does kind of suck, dude.

Perhaps the best question you could ask is 'what can I do to change any of this' and 'do I have any regrets about saying anything to him' - from the sounds of things, the answers to those should be 'nothing' and 'no', so maybe it's just a case of telling yourself that he wasn't the right one for you and to move on - hell, you've got twice as many options as most of us! :p

[QUOTE=Jason101]Hmmm, that does kind of suck, dude.

Perhaps the best question you could ask is 'what can I do to change any of this' and 'do I have any regrets about saying anything to him' - from the sounds of things, the answers to those should be 'nothing' and 'no', so maybe it's just a case of telling yourself that he wasn't the right one for you and to move on - hell, you've got twice as many options as most of us! :p[/QUOTE]


It's true I do have alot of options. Thank's for you help MX.